Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

They're not even his kids real kids (well, the ones that were in ROTS anyway). I wouldn't trust them either.

He could have taken them to his grave. Tolkien kinda did with LOTR and his son is pretty strict when it comes to legacy and property rights.
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I agree that he should have never sold his franchise. But it wouldn't get anywhere [good] if he was still calling the shots.
He could have kept ownership but allow the writing and decision-making to be made by much more talented, more up-to-date, personnel.

George was a control freak to a point it caused the break up of his marriage and was obvious if you watch the behind the scenes Prequel Trilogy videos. Every aspect of those movies had to have his seal of approval. Movies that are successful, such as Star Wars, The Empire Strike Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, I could go on and on here but you get the point, are jointly made by many people and not just one man with complete control.

George had the unique opportunity from 1984-1997 to make Star
Wars movies but chose not too. Then when he decided to make the prequels he was not the man he was in 1974 and surrounded himself with "yes" men. Just watch the video of the film crew watching the "final cut" battle scenes at the end of The Phantom Menace. You can tell from everyone's faces that the "four endings" are a mess and even George says so but acknowledges that he cannot cut anything as it is too late and all "four" storylines now converge to this one point in the movie. So he reassures himself and calls it an "art film" and releases it as is and we now have The Phantom Menance as the premier return to the Star Wars Universe by George Lucas. No one had the nerve at any point to call him out on it during the filming process because he was "George Lucas" and it was a privilege to be working on a "Star Wars" movie.

So no the best thing that ever happened to Star Wars and Indiana Jones was that George sold Lucasfilms and now other talented people will have their shot at making Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies without George's input at all.

JJ and Kathleen Kennedy are talented people. They make successful movies. If they thought George brought "anything" to the table then they would have included him in on the making of the movie. But again, I am sure because of past behavior in wanting complete control over everything which is very hard to give up, George and company figured it was best that he stay out of it.

Only George knows if he truly misses the making of Star Wars films but like other members said he got 4 Billion Dollars so he could be laughing all the way to the bank.

I say go buy an island, turn it into Naboo and hire the actor who played Jar Jar full time to follow you around saying "Wesa so Happy!" LOL


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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Meh. Most successful people are control freaks. That is why the are successful.
 
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

But the point is successful movies are jointly made not by one person calling every single shot. You are supposed to let your hired people do their jobs and listen to their input. I stand by the problem with the prequels and Indiana Jones 4 was George Lucas in his ideas and controlling ways. I say give the other movies a chance and see what happens, you might be pleasantly surprised and actually like Rouge One.


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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

George was a control freak to a point it caused the break up of his marriage and was obvious if you watch the behind the scenes Prequel Trilogy videos. Every aspect of those movies had to have his seal of approval. Movies that are successful, such as Star Wars, The Empire Strike Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, I could go on and on here but you get the point, are jointly made by many people and not just one man with complete control.

George had the unique opportunity from 1984-1997 to make Star
Wars movies but chose not too. Then when he decided to make the prequels he was not the man he was in 1974 and surrounded himself with "yes" men. Just watch the video of the film crew watching the "final cut" battle scenes at the end of The Phantom Menace. You can tell from everyone's faces that the "four endings" are a mess and even George says so but acknowledges that he cannot cut anything as it is too late and all "four" storylines now converge to this one point in the movie. So he reassures himself and calls it an "art film" and releases it as is and we now have The Phantom Menance as the premier return to the Star Wars Universe by George Lucas. No one had the nerve at any point to call him out on it during the filming process because he was "George Lucas" and it was a privilege to be working on a "Star Wars" movie.

So no the best thing that ever happened to Star Wars and Indiana Jones was that George sold Lucasfilms and now other talented people will have their shot at making Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies without George's input at all.

JJ and Kathleen Kennedy are talented people. They make successful movies. If they thought George brought "anything" to the table then they would have included him in on the making of the movie. But again, I am sure because of past behavior in wanting complete control over everything which is very hard to give up, George and company figured it was best that he stay out of it.

Only George knows if he truly misses the making of Star Wars films but like other members said he got 4 Billion Dollars so he could be laughing all the way to the bank.

I say go buy an island, turn it into Naboo and hire the actor who played Jar Jar full time to follow you around saying "Wesa so Happy!" LOL


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But the point is successful movies are jointly made not one person calling every single shot. You are supposed to let your hired people do their jobs and listen to their input. I stand by the problem the the prequels and Indiana Jones 4 was George Lucas in his ideas and controlling ways. I say give the other movies a chance and see what happens, you might be pleasantly surprised and actually like Rouge One.


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:lecture I agree wholeheartedly with all of this.

I'm incredibly happy Lucas sold off the franchise! I almost think you had to let the SW brand crash (creatively) with the prequels in order to have the great movie we got with TFA (YES, I still think it's great!) and hopefully with Rogue One. Otherwise if the prequels wouldn't have been made and Lucas still sold the franchise, we most likely would have gotten forgettable disasters. At least the prequels serve as a signpost for what NOT to do!

Nothing personal, prequels.
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I think it's a little premature to really have any conclusions regarding Lucas and the Star Wars legacy.
We are one movie down. I like TFA a lot, but was it new? no. Was it original in any way? no. And now a year since release it has just as many devided SW fans as the prequels did.

I think our very best hope lies with Episode VIII. It's a make or break situation, I'm confident that it's going to be fantastic.
After that we get Colin Trevverrrooorrooow's "vision*".

*insert Lucas' Vader "Nooooooooo!!" here....
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Rory what time are we meeting up trevorrow?

I don't think Disney controls creativity, here was a recent Rogue One production meeting.

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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Rory what time are we meeting up trevorrow?

I don't think Disney controls creativity, here was a recent Rogue One production meeting.

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Beer O'clock? By the penitentiary exercise pound (Disney story group)? Colin's gonna run through why he's shooting VIII in 75mm without even an idea of a script.
:lol
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

that's just flat out wrong. :lol

It certainly has IMO. Listen, as I said I really liked TFA. So I'm coming from a positive place with it. But a lot of critical and audience response has changed from relief to a realisation of what it was as and how derivative it was. It was almost a remake. That's what Disney wanted, a reboot, not a straight continuation.
That's got a lot of negativity in the last year, just go and read some of the 3D blu-ray reviews and compare them to what was said on release.

Don't forget the prequels were favourably received on release. ROTS in particular was highly praised.
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I initially persuaded myself that I liked each prequel film on first viewing. Alas it didn't take long to realise how sub-par they were.

TFA I also enjoyed on first viewing, second viewing was OK and so far I've left it at that. I think I'll need to see Episodes 8 and 9 before I make a full determination because I do have misgivings about the direction they took. The whole First Order VS Resistance thing, Luke being a failure and running away, Rey needing no formal training to personally defeat the villain in every single way in just the first movie, killing Han off, Chewbacca not getting a hug, Chewbacca apparently not becoming Captain of the Falcon etc etc etc :lol
 
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