Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

The Pawn said:
George was a control freak to a point it caused the break up of his marriage and was obvious if you watch the behind the scenes Prequel Trilogy videos. Every aspect of those movies had to have his seal of approval. Movies that are successful, such as Star Wars, The Empire Strike Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, I could go on and on here but you get the point, are jointly made by many people and not just one man with complete control.

George had the unique opportunity from 1984-1997 to make Star
Wars movies but chose not too. Then when he decided to make the prequels he was not the man he was in 1974 and surrounded himself with "yes" men. Just watch the video of the film crew watching the "final cut" battle scenes at the end of The Phantom Menace. You can tell from everyone's faces that the "four endings" are a mess and even George says so but acknowledges that he cannot cut anything as it is too late and all "four" storylines now converge to this one point in the movie. So he reassures himself and calls it an "art film" and releases it as is and we now have The Phantom Menance as the premier return to the Star Wars Universe by George Lucas. No one had the nerve at any point to call him out on it during the filming process because he was "George Lucas" and it was a privilege to be working on a "Star Wars" movie.

So no the best thing that ever happened to Star Wars and Indiana Jones was that George sold Lucasfilms and now other talented people will have their shot at making Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies without George's input at all.

JJ and Kathleen Kennedy are talented people. They make successful movies. If they thought George brought "anything" to the table then they would have included him in on the making of the movie. But again, I am sure because of past behavior in wanting complete control over everything which is very hard to give up, George and company figured it was best that he stay out of it.

Only George knows if he truly misses the making of Star Wars films but like other members said he got 4 Billion Dollars so he could be laughing all the way to the bank.

I say go buy an island, turn it into Naboo and hire the actor who played Jar Jar full time to follow you around saying "Wesa so Happy!" LOL


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What talent does JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy possess that uncle George did not/does not have? Ain't nothing new about TFA or Rogue One by the looks of it.

They're never going to be viewed as classics like the quaint Original Trilogy. They're just repetitive knock offs for Disney.
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

DiFabio said:
What talent does JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy possess that uncle George did not/does not have? Ain't nothing new about TFA or Rogue One by the looks of it.

They're never going to be viewed as classics like the quaint Original Trilogy. They're just repetitive knock offs for Disney.
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At the very least, they have a basic understanding of how to tell a good story, which George proved 3 times that he could not.
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

But Lucas wrote ANH, not those two?! They just copy and pasted.
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

DiFabio said:
But Lucas wrote ANH, not those two?! They just copy and pasted.
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You mean ANH, the movie that copied and pasted from Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress and Yojimbo and Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces?
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Mad Old Lu said:
You mean ANH, the movie that copied and pasted from Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress and Yojimbo and Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces?
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Yeah, yeah, don't forget Dune and the Wizard of Oz.

Point is, Star Wars has been done. Slapping a new name on it and the characters isn't going to make it better. You know what I'm talking about.

The Clown Prince of Crime said:
Rebel spies steal secret plans

"That's essentially our movie." Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. Can't wait for, "Death Star, an armored space station: A Star Wars story"
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

DiFabio said:
Yeah, yeah, don't forget Dune and the Wizard of Oz.

Point is, Star Wars has been done. You know what I'm talking about.
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And I think you know what I was talking about too.

Besides the fact that everything is based on something and nothing is truly original, my point is that I would rather have a well made movie that perhaps isn't completely original over a completely original but clumsily made movie that makes me cringe every few minutes because of bad acting or poor storytelling. Praising Lucas of the few points of originality in the Prequels (which could really be attributed to his creative team and not really him), is akin to giving him participation trophy even though the final product was arguably bad. Hey, at least he tried to do something original, right?
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Mad Old Lu said:
And I think you know what I was talking about too.

Besides the fact that everything is based on something and nothing is truly original, my point is that I would rather have a well made movie that perhaps isn't completely original over a completely original but clumsily made movie that makes me cringe every few minutes because of bad acting or poor storytelling. Praising Lucas of the few points of originality in the Prequels (which could really be attributed to his creative team and not really him), is akin to giving him participation trophy even though the final product was arguably bad. Hey, at least he tried to do something original, right?
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The prequels were mostly rehashed from the OT too, just more convoluted. They didn't need to be made, though they helped the lore and longevity of the universe.

TFA and Rogue One don't offer anything new that hasen't already been seen in the OT, PT, novels, comic books, cartoons or video games (which all fell under the Lucasfilms banner). Check out that featurette for Rogue One, it's that same forced sentimental BS they tried pulling with TFA last year where their vision for the movies is nothing more than "it feels like how it was when I was a kid" and "this is like toys". I'm surprised they didn't mention how many practical effects they used while they were at it. There is no real vision or story with these movies beyond what has already been done. It's that simple. Sure people might like TFA and Rogue One, people liked the prequels too, but they're all just rehashes of better made Star Wars films and stories. There is no real talent here beyond looking back at what worked and slapping on some new paint and Roman numeral.
 
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

DiFabio said:
The prequels were mostly rehashed from the OT too, just more convoluted. They didn't need to be made, though they helped the lore and longevity of the universe.

TFA and Rogue One don't offer anything new that hasen't already been seen in the OT, PT, novels, comic books, cartoons or video games (which all fell under the Lucasfilms banner). Check out that featurette for Rogue One, it's that same forced sentimental BS they tried pulling with TFA last year where their vision for the movies is nothing more than "it feels like how it was when I was a kid" and "this is like toys". I'm surprised they didn't mention how many practical effects they used while they were at it. There is no real vision or story with these movies beyond what has already been done. It's that simple. Sure people might like TFA and Rogue One, people liked the prequels too, but they're all just rehashes of better made Star Wars films and stories. There is no real talent here beyond looking back at what worked and slapping on some new paint and Roman numeral.
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First off, let me say thanks for keeping things cool here, DiFabio.

I think Lucas did the same thing with ANH--evoking childhood nostalgia for Flash Gordon and serials. I think people said those very same words with Star Wars back in 1977, "It made me feel like a kid again." Nothing new there either.

I don't want to come off as combative, especially since we've managed to keep this debate fairly civil! I just think people are placing too much value on Lucas's supposed originality and TFA and Rogue One's lack of it. I don't see them all that different in terms of originality. It just so happens that the new SW stuff is borrowing from itself instead of other properties. Okay, I can concede that maybe that makes Lucas's stuff a teeny tiny bit more original, but I'm thinking it's like 0.001% more. And as I said before, at least TFA showed competency behind the camera, and I'll take that over the tiny bit of originality the Prequels showed. I think the best thing TFA did was have so much heart. That's what keeps me engaged every time I watch it.

But thanks again for keeping it cool, DiFabio! I could have seen this whole thing devolving into an unnecessary flame war. :duff
 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I agree with Angry Lu in the sense that even though what you're saying is true Difabio as long as it's well made then so be it just enjoy the ride and be forgiving of the nostalgia that Disney is pimping out.

TFA has some eye rolling moments and that assault on Starkiller base felt forced and was as thriling as watching paint dry and was only there because Disney said it needed to feel like ANH in the same way like Arnold has to wear sunglasses, a leather jacket and say i'll be back.

But the worst parts of TFA are still better than the worst parts from the PT but I do find that the best parts from ROTS, the few that there are, can be just as good as the best parts from TFA.

But again like Lu said, heart helps TFA rise above the dry originality from the PT.
 
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

ROTS is a great movie. People who say it isn't are just channeling their hate for TPM & AOTC while watching it.
 

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