Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[RIDDICK]

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[a-dev]

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It's our lingual contractions that define us Soran. It's part of the truth of our existence!

 

[jye4ever]

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[a-dev]

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Non-canon?


(here's a reference for the Ireland and UK boardies)

 

[rivera2171]

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Even with that thing Vader was clueless he was interrogating his daughter.

That is why he was forever a henchman and never the man in charge.

That is because Leia wasn't Vader's daughter when GL originally filmed this. That ridiculous concept wasn't conceived until ROTJ, otherwise L&L wouldn't have incestually kissed each other in ESB...

Protocols? He ****ing chocked out his fellow officers! Why can't he chocke out some catty rebel ***** instead of injecting her with some truth serum and forcep thingies.

Yep...

 

[DiFabio]

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No one was ever in charge of Vader. He answered to the Emperor & the Emperor alone. And everyone in the empire new it. That is why he was feared even by all the Mof's, Admirals and everyone else in the empire. He was un-predictable. As far as obeying Tarkin, you have to remember he had a bond and respect/friendship with Tarkin going back to when he was Anakin (during the Clone Wars as shown in the animated series). Tarkin is the only person who suspected Anakin was vader, but never confronted him or the Emperor with that question.

Nah.

Listen to the way Leia and all the other Imperial officers talk down to Vader. They think he's a punk ass *****. Leia's comment about him being on Tarkin's leash says it all. That's what I kind of like about Vader in ANH, he's not really that special. He's like an SS officer or gestapo enforcer that is used to get stuff done for the Empire. He does the dirty work but just happens to believe in magic/religion like Red Skull. Vader is basically a more stoic, non-cowardly version of Toht from Raiders of the Lost Ark.

If he were a high ranking official, he wouldn't be leading the grunts looking for rebel plans or having Tarkin scold him or getting lip from other officers or having to go out and fight in a space battle to defend the Death Star. Originally, Vader wasn't the "chosen one" that fathered the hero, he was just an armored bad ass dude that had a conviction for the Force and the Empire that got **** done. He wasn't Luke or Leia's dad, he probably did kill Luke's father and betray the Jedi originally. There's a sassy, narcissistic hubris to Vader in ANH that isn't present in the other movies.






I could definitely see Stormtroopers and officers talking crap behind his back.


As soon as you find out that Vader is really Luke's dad in ROTJ (as well as Leia's) as this chubby, pasty marshmallow man with fluffy eyebrows, he turns out to be one of the lamest characters of all. He's much cooler as this guy that's trying to rise through the ranks through sheer power and biding his time instead of being the Emperor's little ***** that betrayed his friends and is willing to die so that his son can be his masters new pet toy.

 

[pixletwin]

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If we think about it in terms of Game of Thrones, Vader is the Emperor's Hand. The Hand takes all kinds of crap from everyone. It is the toilet seat of royal appointments.

 

[The Pawn]

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I saw Phantom Menace 9 times.
It's a bad movie.

You must account for Star Wars fandom when making these comments..

I watched ROTS last night because I could not get to sleep. I really tried to watch it with an open mind especially with Rogue One coming out.

The special effects do not hold up at all and everything, and I mean everything in every scene looked horrible with all the CGI effects.

The actors were just reciting their lines and looked bored. The story of Anakin's fall to the dark side made no sense whatsoever. "She died of a broken heart!" LOL.

To think that the prequel Anakin is really the Darth Vader in the OT changes everything about the Darth Vader in the OT and now he does not come across as a great villain but a whiny brat that anyone could push around on the playground. This does not help his image for the upcoming Rogue One movie either, LOL.

But hey, I tried to give the prequels another go, but they really are just bad movies.




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[DiFabio]

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If we think about it in terms of Game of Thrones, Vader is the Emperor's Hand. The Hand takes all kinds of crap from everyone. It is the toilet seat of royal appointments.

Originally in ROTJ, Moff Jerjerrod wasn't a wuss and Palpatine actually preferred him to Vader (like we can assume he did with Tarkin).

That's one of the few elements I liked about Episode 7. I liked that General Hux and Kylo Ren were basically seen as equals where Hux could reprimand and talk down to Ren just because.

 

[jye4ever]

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meh, still the best reveal in cinema history, will never be topped so it was all worth it.

 

[RIDDICK]

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To think that the prequel Anakin is really the Darth Vader in the OT changes everything about the Darth Vader in the OT and now he does not come across as a great villain but a whiny brat that anyone could push around on the playground. This does not help his image for the upcoming Rogue One movie either, LOL.

We were JUST talkin' about how even the OT Vader wasn't a good villain when you count ESB and RotJ.
Heck, CLU 2.0 from TRON is a much better villain than OT Vader.

That's one of the few elements I liked about Episode 7. I liked that General Hux and Kylo Ren were basically seen as equals where Hux could reprimand and talk down to Ren just because.

Too bad they had to make Ren into an angry kid with daddy issues and unmask him a lot so it didn't work anyway.

 

[a-dev]

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I watched ROTS last night because I could not get to sleep. I really tried to watch it with an open mind especially with Rogue One coming out.

The special effects do not hold up at all and everything, and I mean everything in every scene looked horrible with all the CGI effects.

The actors were just reciting their lines and looked bored. The story of Anakin's fall to the dark side made no sense whatsoever. "She died of a broken heart!" LOL.

To think that the prequel Anakin is really the Darth Vader in the OT changes everything about the Darth Vader in the OT and now he does not come across as a great villain but a whiny brat that anyone could push around on the playground. This does not help his image for the upcoming Rogue One movie either, LOL.

But hey, I tried to give the prequels another go, but they really are just bad movies.




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For guys like us it's best to take the PT as

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[EVILFACE]

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That is because Leia wasn't Vader's daughter when GL originally filmed this. That ridiculous concept wasn't conceived until ROTJ, otherwise L&L wouldn't have incestually kissed each other in ESB....

Such a fascinating theory you have there. Please, tell me more.

No one was ever in charge of Vader. He answered to the Emperor & the Emperor alone. And everyone in the empire new it. That is why he was feared even by all the Mof's, Admirals and everyone else in the empire. He was un-predictable. As far as obeying Tarkin, you have to remember he had a bond and respect/friendship with Tarkin going back to when he was Anakin (during the Clone Wars as shown in the animated series). Tarkin is the only person who suspected Anakin was vader, but never confronted him or the Emperor with that question.

Tarkin was in charge. He got the answers Vader couldn't. And then took that planet of hers and shoved it up her bum.

 

[DiFabio]

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meh, still the best reveal in cinema history, will never be topped so it was all worth it.

The best reveal in cinematic history is in Basic Instinct.

I know Vader is a puss too by ROTJ, so he gets a technicality there, but come on.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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meh, still the best reveal in cinema history, will never be topped so it was all worth it.

I don't know, The Crying Game had a shocking reveal

 

[RIDDICK]

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the best reveal in cinema history.

"Sleepaway Camp" finale.

it's best to take the PT as non-canon

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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AMC's site is FUBAR'd

 

[DiFabio]

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AMC's site is FUBAR'd

This isn't The Walking Dead thread!

 

[loki2371]

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Sorry but I'm not takin' EU stuff into account.
I love EU but sayin' that Vader wasn't ansverin' to Tarkin in the original film is ridiculous.

That's fine.. I wasn't directing that towards you, I only quoted you so any one reading knew why I posted it. Vader only answering to the Emperor. But also you can't say the Clone Wars cartoon is EU. Everything was partly written and approved by Lucas before Disney stepped in. So true "Lucas" cannon is the original 6 (Ep I-VI) movies & the Clone Wars cartoon as everything was overseen by Lucas to be an official part of the universe, whether you liked it or not. I do agree it seems like he's under Tarkin's control, but you don't know it's not the Emperor telling him to follow Tarkin, not him following Tarkin because he has to. He may have changed things that don't make sense, but unfortunately that's the way it is...Many people obviously don't like the prequels, but by your statement then everything is EU except for the original trilogy (EpIV-VI)? If only...

Nah.

Listen to the way Leia and all the other Imperial officers talk down to Vader. They think he's a punk ass *****. Leia's comment about him being on Tarkin's leash says it all. That's what I kind of like about Vader in ANH, he's not really that special. He's like an SS officer or gestapo enforcer that is used to get stuff done for the Empire. He does the dirty work but just happens to believe in magic/religion like Red Skull. Vader is basically a more stoic, non-cowardly version of Toht from Raiders of the Lost Ark.

If he were a high ranking official, he wouldn't be leading the grunts looking for rebel plans or having Tarkin scold him or getting lip from other officers or having to go out and fight in a space battle to defend the Death Star. Originally, Vader wasn't the "chosen one" that fathered the hero, he was just an armored bad ass dude that had a conviction for the Force and the Empire that got **** done. He wasn't Luke or Leia's dad, he probably did kill Luke's father and betray the Jedi originally. There's a sassy, narcissistic hubris to Vader in ANH that isn't present in the other movies.






I could definitely see Stormtroopers and officers talking crap behind his back.


As soon as you find out that Vader is really Luke's dad in ROTJ (as well as Leia's) as this chubby, pasty marshmallow man with fluffy eyebrows, he turns out to be one of the lamest characters of all. He's much cooler as this guy that's trying to rise through the ranks through sheer power and biding his time instead of being the Emperor's little ***** that betrayed his friends and is willing to die so that his son can be his masters new pet toy.

Again, I agree a lot with what you say. But Lucas changed it into what it is today, so no point in sticking to ideas that are no longer true. Also keep in mind NO one know's the Emperor was a Sith Master who completely controlled the Clone Wars other than Vader, and that Vader was a former Jedi... The Rogue One Catalyst novel is really good in understanding the beginnings of the the Empire and it's hierarchy. It's a great read not just for the Rogue One movie. The only other people who knew about Palpatine were Maul and Dooku. And the whole point of everything is for the Sith to destroy the Jedi and rule the galaxy, not the Empire. As by the rule of 2, Vader will have to eventually take the Emperors place, and the Emperor certainly isn't gonna undermine everything he's done by making Vader everyone's lacky.. Vader is a guard dog, but he's on the Emperor's leash, no one else's... If Vader disobeys him, he'll answer to Palpatine, no one else. It's just like in TFA with Kylo Ren & General Hux. Both only followed Snoke's orders, and you can clearly see Hux was just as afraid of Kylo as everyone else. But he was put in charge by Snoke so as long as he's successful in Snoke's mind, Kylo would have to obey Hux's orders, but by Snoke's command not because Hux was in charge..

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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Finally got opening night tickets in 3-D