Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[Wor-Gar]

OK, put yourself in Disney's place: what the hell else are you going to say when a major film goes into major reshoots?

**in little girl voice** Oh, we had a really good movie we just wanted to make even greater, for you.... for all of you.

 

[Khev]

OK, put yourself in Disney's place: what the hell else are you going to say when a major film goes into major reshoots?

Well you certainly wouldn't lie and say that your director sucks if he doesn't. Viggo Mortensen said that TTT and ROTK were pure **** until the profits of FOTR caused New Line to throw tons more cash into allowing Peter Jackson to salvage them. Does that mean he doesn't get credit for the end result?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well you certainly wouldn't lie and say that your director sucks if he doesn't.

I agree. And they didn't.

If they had a good movie, why throw another 50 mil at it at risk of making it potentially worse? It's hard to make a good movie. Leave well enough alone.

Anyway, we won't know the truth until the next generation grows up and tells us what we don't know and only they could.

 

[jye4ever]

End result is all that matters.

Don't care how they got there.

I much rather enjoy this bad movie than have to suffer thru 99.9% of Oscar winners.

Thank you Disney for buying SW from that disgruntled lazy director.

At least Gareth gets off his chair while directing lol.

 

[GasparZizou]

Alternate T2, released but not needed.

Nope, very much needed. It's now the definitive Terminator timeline, the rest can be ignored.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Shoosh! Khev and I are trying to decide who should get credit for Star Wars.

 

[jye4ever]

The jews, who else.

 

[Khev]

I agree. And they didn't.

If they had a good movie, why throw another 50 mil at it at risk of making it potentially worse? It's hard to make a good movie. Leave well enough alone.

WB was so happy with the dailies of the first Matrix that they voluntarily increased the budget so that the Wachowskis could make it even better. The Russos had a good thing going with The Winter Soldier but after The Avengers Disney increased the budget. So obviously there's a precedent.

Now of course the devil's advocate is "but how do we know that was the case with Rogue One? How do we know they were improving a good movie and not salvaging a bad one?" Obviously we'll never know. But I think that movies that were truly mishandled can never fully hide that fact, no matter how much money gets added or who steps in and takes over. Rogue One was just too good in the end (IMO) for that to have conceivably been the case. I could see reshoots making a poorly made film tolerable but making it good or great? Too much of a stretch for me.

 

[guyver1]

Did anyone hear about they originally wanted to add a scene were Vader visited Padme's grave. That would've been interesting.

 

[a-dev]

I too shall resurrect this post of Jye's

Alternate Aliens, released but not needed.
Alternate T2, released but not needed.

Both needed.

Aliens SE is a great deal superior to the theatrical IMO, a lot more emotional oomph.
T2 SE isn't necessarily better (from what I can recall, haven't seen the theatrical in years) but it has some worthwhile and interesting extra stuff

 

[Khev]

Did anyone hear about they originally wanted to add a scene were Vader visited Padme's grave. That would've been interesting.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm with Picard.

Also notice they didn't name Mustafar by name on screen?

 

[jye4ever]

I too shall resurrect this post of Jye's



Both needed.

Aliens SE is a great deal superior to the theatrical IMO, a lot more emotional oomph.
T2 SE isn't necessarily better (from what I can recall, haven't seen the theatrical in years) but it has some worthwhile and interesting extra stuff

I think what I was trying to get at was that Aliens and T2 theatrical were still solid good films at their core.

They weren't saved by their extended cuts.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The jews, who else.

 

[ironwez20]

Did anyone hear about they originally wanted to add a scene were Vader visited Padme's grave. That would've been interesting.

It would be. But then again that means that anakin went to see her grave. Death Vader killed anakin and his past.

 

[GasparZizou]

T2 SE isn't necessarily better (from what I can recall, haven't seen the theatrical in years) but it has some worthwhile and interesting extra stuff

It's not better, it's the same stuff, but the ending is definitely something I can end the franchise with, and I can peacefully ignore Arnold making a fool of himself in the sequels.

 

[guyver1]

IKR..the way Vader was used in RO, it wouldn't have fitted with the flow of film. Thank god they didn't

 

[Khev]

Also notice they didn't name Mustafar by name on screen?

Yep, because that's just McQuarrie's "Lava Planet" and nothing more.

Also there was no scroll because there was nothing prior to the events of Rogue One to make mention of...

 

[Wor-Gar]

I could see reshoots making a poorly made film tolerable but making it good or great? Too much of a stretch for me.

Maybe if you'd seen Back to the Future starring Eric Stoltz you would know....

 

[jye4ever]

Did you watch his shaving live.