Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[DiFabio]

You can't say "well if you can't place the crown of SW genius on Lucas, than what one person can you place it on?"SW was a success, not because of one "genius" (as you put it). That was a PR (and legal) myth. The bones were Lucas' creation, sure. But the life which was breathed into that movie was the result of editors, designers, actors, etc... Hundreds of people who all took his ideas and ran with them. People have this annoying habit of thinking of Lucas as this brilliant figure who managed to create this universe and then became lost as he got older.

The more actual control Lucas ever gained always resulted in SW becoming something lesser.

Lucas has always been lost. It is the people around him who made the difference. Lucas never understood his creation, I would submit, because it wasn't his creation. It was a shared experience. One that became a worldwide zeitgeist in spite of him.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You can't say "well if you can't place the crown of SW genius on Lucas, than what one person can you place it on?"SW was a success, not because of one "genius" (as you put it). That was a PR (and legal) myth. The bones were Lucas' creation, sure. But the life which was breathed into that movie was the result of editors, designers, actors, etc... Hundreds of people who all took his ideas and ran with them. People have this annoying habit of thinking of Lucas as this brilliant figure who managed to create this universe and then became lost as he got older..

Didn't Lucas approve all of it though? He didn't create the costumes or effects among other things, but ultimately it was probably Lucas who said in a soft voice, "Great, I like it, it's going to be great"

 

[pixletwin]

Didn't Lucas approve all of it though? He didn't create the costumes or effects among other things, but ultimately it was probably Lucas who said in a soft voice, "Great, I like it, it's going to be great.."

Sure. He approved John Williams score too. Should Lucas get the credit there too?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Sure. He approved John Williams score too. Should Lucas get the credit there too?

Well, he had a vision or good judgment. I mean, any other dude would have used the latest 70's disco music Williams still gets the credit and awards for his work.

I can't say SW was a success despite the guy who approved the things people ended up liking.

 

[pixletwin]

Well, he had a vision or good judgment. I mean, any other dude would have use the latest 70's disco music

Someone should post a video of the medal ceremony with canned disco instead of JW's music. I want to see it, approve it, and send it on it's way!

 

[jye4ever]

If not for Gareth Disney would've never had trailers for RO lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

But the life which was breathed into that movie was the result of editors, designers, actors, etc... Hundreds of people who all took his ideas and ran with them.

Of course I agree with this -- Lucas could never have done it alone. And his ideas were made better by others, specifically McQuarrie. And he never could have known what Williams would contribute in that score.

And I'm no Lucas-lover, believe me. But you got to give the man his dues. His idea, his world, his Jawas, laser bolts instead of beams, hyperspace, the Falcon, the idea of mashing history and fairy tales to make a modern one, the Vader concept, the 'used' universe, on and on -- Lucas had a vision that in its time was simply amazing. Many borrowed perhaps, but no one put them together like he did.

I think to say Lucas was just lost and somehow got lucky is naïve and spiteful... and quite honestly, I'm shocked that this is coming from you of all people. Lucas was quite innovative in his thirties (American Graffiti, Star Wars, Raiders, THX, etc). I believe merchandising -- and the money he once hated -- corrupted him and 'destroyed the good man' that once was.

 

[jye4ever]

No his wife did that lol.

Women are evil.......and really horrible ****ing drivers.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Sure. He approved John Williams score too. Should Lucas get the credit there too?

This is a weak comeback from someone losing their fight.

Go eat your vitamins, you're cranky tonight.

 

[DiFabio]

Of course I agree with this -- Lucas could never have done it alone. And his ideas were made better by others, specifically McQuarrie. And he never could have known what Williams would contribute in that score.

And I'm no Lucas-lover, believe me. But you got to give the man his dues. His idea, his world, his Jawas, laser bolts instead of beams, hyperspace, the Falcon, the idea of mashing history and fairy tales to make a modern one, the Vader concept, the 'used' universe, on and on -- Lucas had a vision that in its time was simply amazing. Many borrowed perhaps, but no one put them together like he did.

I think to say Lucas was just lost and somehow got lucky is naïve and spiteful... and quite honestly, I'm shocked that this is coming from you of all people. Lucas was quite innovative in his thirties (American Graffiti, Star Wars, Raiders, THX, etc). I believe merchandising -- and the money he once hated -- corrupted him and 'destroyed the good man' that once was.

Pretty much. Great post.

He also had help in the editing room, but still, Star Wars was his baby. I don't disagree with pixle when it comes to Lucas and collaboration however. He worked better when he had friends.

 

[pixletwin]

As with most things in life I suspect there is truth in what were are both saying. However, I am not at all spiteful, nor do I believe there is anything spiteful in what I said. I am just giving my impression based on what I have learned and observed. I think maybe you are, again, reading more into what I wrote than what I intended. Maybe generalizing my words into a context which you, yourself, have set? Probably based on interactions you have had with others?

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Wor-Gar]

Pretty much. Great post.

He also had help in the editing room, but still, Star Wars was his baby. I don't disagree with pixle when it comes to Lucas and collaboration however. He worked better when he had friends.

I said, I agree with that of course. Most people are better with help. And Lucas was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better with Kurtz around. Many, many people contributed to Star Wars.

But none of them got it started.

 

[pixletwin]

This is a weak comeback from someone losing their fight.

Go eat your vitamins, you're cranky tonight.

I am not at all cranky. Nor was that a comeback. I was making a joke. Again, I think you are the one feeling cranky.

 

[Khev]

The more I read the more I'm convinced this film was made in the editing room. Sounds like a mess while filming; very little direction.

I'm going to have to credit the editors more than Gareth on this. He can prove me wrong on his next film.

That's impossible. Editors cannot make a great film out of crappy footage. Because in between every single cut you're left with a shot that the director directed, and it either works or it doesn't. Editors can help present the footage in the best possible sequence, but that's literally their job. They don't get credit for the whole movie just for properly handling their assigned task.

Comparing Gareth to Lucas is apples and oranges. Star Wars was Lucas' story in almost every conceivable way. He thought it up, wrote it, directed, and so on. Rogue One was John Knoll's brainchild but since Knoll isn't a writer or director Kennedy hired screenwriters and Gareth to bring Knoll's idea to life. And Gareth said that his goal was to make a Star Wars movie that felt like a real war movie and he achieved that. Editors can't take a rom-com and turn it into a war movie in the editing room. The director has to give them one, and clearly he gave them a damn good one.

 

[DiFabio]

I think we're all having our week. Menstural cycles are a ***** innitt.

 

[Khev]

Jye, go to sleep.


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Only one of those EE's (ROTK) was actually better than the theatrical version.

 

[jye4ever]

I said, I agree with that of course. Most people are better with help. And Lucas was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better with Kurtz around. Many, many people contributed to Star Wars.

But none of them got it started.

I think Francis Ford Coppola directed SW.

 

[DiFabio]

Only one of those EE's (ROTK) was actually better than the theatrical version.

**** you Khev, I need to see Aragorn spit out Ewoyn's nasty soup and Lurtz lick that knife.

Nobody likes a longer ROTK, nobody!

 

[pixletwin]

*********. C'mere and give me a hug Greg...