Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[karamazov80]

To me, it's the limit on artistic creativity that puts a ceiling on these films. If a creator were allowed to go anywhere, and do anything, you might end up with garbage, you might end up with a masterpiece. But when you are appealing to the masses, you won't allow yourself to go certain places, and that limits you. Of course, Lucas had constraints on the first Star Wars, as did Scott with Alien and Blade Runner, Welles with Citizen Kane, Huston with the Maltese Falcon, etc., but these guys had a creative vision that superseded everything else. The commercial interests always win out in the world of films we're talking about here. Understandable so, but there are tradeoffs.

 

[DiFabio]

I think the only Star Wars films that are going to be long remembered are the ones that were made under George Lucas, for both good and bad reasons.

Whether you think Rogue One is crap or the bees knees, it's always going to be that in between flick that's not OT or PT or ST. That movie without the John Williams soundtrack. That movie without the opening crawl. That movie with the fake Tarkin and Leia. That movie with all the one note characters that all die no sooner than they're introduced. That movie that isn't terrible but not great. It's that annual filler that Disney needs in between their Sequel Trilogy wall that we'll see in 2018, 2020 and beyond.

For me personally, when I look back at "Star Wars 2016", I'm going to think of weird publicity shots of Stormtroopers on beaches. Stores filled with hundreds of Jyn, Cassian, and death trooper toys nobody wants. Numerous scenes from the trailer that never made it into the movie. A dull first hour or so where I was dozing off as I was taken from planet to planet to meet characters I didn't even care about, only to be rewarded with a Darth Vader that, while cool, comes off as cartoony the more and more I watch his scenes. It's a very gray movie. I just don't really have any feelings on the subject other than it entertained me on opening day for two hours, but hasn't done much else. Which of course isn't a bad thing.

It's just sort of just there, it just happened. Just like the next Han Solo movie will be. Me thinks they would have been better off making a Star Wars anthology netflicks series or something. Give me a show I can enjoy in the moment but eventually forget about.

 

[Khev]

The commercial interests always win out in the world of films we're talking about here

I disagree with regard to Rogue One. Having all the characters survive (or at least Jyn and Cassian) like all the other SW films definitely would have been more "toy friendly." Some of you really seem to be ignoring the non-formulaic and even risky aspects of this film simply because you didn't love it.

You don't have to love it of course, but you should respect it more than you do.

And before you respond please make note of the emoji which pretty much gives me the last defining word on the topic.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

RO is like a fine wine: it will get better (and be more accepted) with time.

Agreed. To me RO is up there with ANH.

 

[Khev]

To me

Yeah, which is all any of us can speak for of course. You liked it, great, you didn't like, well that's fine too. But to claim that RO is somehow going to be a forgotten movie which to date can't be said about a single live-action SW film, let alone one of the highest praised in the entire saga, is quite the stretch.

If you want to talk about forgotten films then look no further than the blockbuster wannabes that came out last month (Logan, BatB, Kong, GitS) that are *already* off of everyone's radar. Compared to RO discussion which is still going strong almost six months after release.

 

[a-dev]

I disagree with regard to Rogue One. Having all the characters survive (or at least Jyn and Cassian) like all the other SW films definitely would have been more "toy friendly." Some of you really seem to be ignoring the non-formulaic and even risky aspects of this film simply because you didn't love it.

You don't have to love it of course, but you should respect it more than you do.

And before you respond please make note of the emoji which pretty much gives me the last defining word on the topic.

Yeah, which is all any of us can speak for of course. You liked it, great, you didn't like, well that's fine too. But to claim that RO is somehow going to be a forgotten movie which to date can't be said about a single live-action SW film, let alone one of the highest praised in the entire saga, is quite the stretch.

If you want to talk about forgotten films then look no further than the blockbuster wannabes that came out last month (Logan, BatB, Kong, GitS) that are *already* off of everyone's radar. Compared to RO discussion which is still going strong almost six months after release.

Wweelll. Sometimes things can be so good that no one feels the need to talk about them. Take the Hot Toys Battle-damaged Robocop - such a great figure that there's pretty much nothing to say about it - the thread gets bumped once a week at most by that one guy posting pics because it may be the only figure he has. Logan might be the movie equivalent. Offhand I can't think of what BatB and GitS are.....Kong was flat-out mediocre.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Sometimes things can be so good that no one feels the need to talk about them.

That's right! Like no one talks about sex.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Yeah, which is all any of us can speak for of course. You liked it, great, you didn't like, well that's fine too. But to claim that RO is somehow going to be a forgotten movie which to date can't be said about a single live-action SW film, let alone one of the highest praised in the entire saga, is quite the stretch.

Agreed. Love them or hate them people still love to talk about Star Wars.

 

[Khev]

Wweelll. Sometimes things can be so good that no one feels the need to talk about them.

True, but if you're going to go out of your way to label a movie as forgettable you might as well pick one that actually *isn't* a topic of daily discussion.

 

[ZaCHw117]

If you want to talk about forgotten films then look no further than the blockbuster wannabes that came out last month (Logan, BatB, Kong, GitS) that are *already* off of everyone's radar. Compared to RO discussion which is still going strong almost six months after release.

Eh, idk khev. i'd say RO is just as forgettable as Logan. Not saying either are bad flicks, but as far as staying power goes i think they are about equal now.

i loved RO but for me the choice is easy.

Logan>RO

It's got a better flow from start to finish, better acting, it doesn't really have any boring parts and the finale is just as good as RO's.

Apples and oranges i guess.

 

[jye4ever]

I absolutely loved Logan but never in a million years would I ever choose it over a good SW movie, ever.

RO Rebellion/Empire > Logan

Hell....

If I could only own either The Force Awakens or Logan....

Goodbye Logan it was nice watching you kill some cholos but you ain't Luke or Vader or anything near quality SW.

 

[DiFabio]

i'd say RO is just as forgettable as Logan.

Yup. I thought Logan was fantastic, but it too has already gotten lost by the wayside. That came out in what, March? Less than two months ago? And it's already old news. I'm actually kind of surprised. It's the same deal with Rogue One. Remember, that **** just came out what, 4, 5 months ago? If this were 20 years ago, hell, 10 years ago a single movie like that would be able to sustain interest and discussion for atleast three years until a sequel came out. Doesn't happen now, because there's a "new" Star Wars every year. People are hating on RedLetterMedia, but they're dead on about how all this works, no matter how cynical it may be.

Only reason Rogue One keeps getting brought up is because Khev, Jye and Wor keep bumping the thread up, not letting it die. That's not a diss on them, but it's the absolute truth. Before more of us chimed in today, it was literally just Khev and Jye going back and forth for pages about the trailers or something. It's always, "Oh, I just watched RO for the 15th time, it so good, it's better with each viewing. Really guys!", by the same people. It would be like Zach, Jye and me going to the Logan thread and having ****ing post ping pong about the thing we already discussed when we first saw it like cholos and Canada and grass. The RO fanatics are acting like they have to reassure themselves it's this great, memorable thing. Well if you gotta do that, I don't know if it's that special. Besides, nobody here can judge that, only time can. We'll see where it stands 10, 15 years from now.

As far as Star Wars is concerned, the thing that's being talked about now, the hype, "what's trending" if you will, is The Last Jedi. That's it. Well, that and this whole gray BS. Even then, once December 2017 rolls around, that'll just blend into TFA and RO in the background with Han Solo in the forefront. It'll all just be the same. Look at DC. BvS JUST came out last year, and it was basically dead on arrival in terms of relevance. Same with Suicide Squad. Who cares about them with Justice League on the horizon. Who cares about Thor 5 or Guardians 3 with Infinity War on the horizon. Who cares about RO when we have three upcoming Star Wars movies in the works, as we speak.

Nobody (except a couple of passionate fanboys).

Oh and uh, .

 

[ZaCHw117]

I absolutely loved Logan but never in a million years would I ever choose it over a good SW movie, ever.

RO Rebellion/Empire > Logan

Hell....

If I could only own either The Force Awakens or Logan....

Goodbye Logan it was nice watching you kill some cholos but you ain't Luke or Vader or anything near quality SW.

but you're backing up this argument using the whole franchise.

so are you saying the PT is better Logan, just because it's Star Wars?

Yup. I thought Logan was fantastic, but it too has already gotten lost by the wayside. That came out in what, March? Less than two months ago? And it's already old news. I'm actually kind of surprised. It's the same deal with Rogue One. Remember, that **** just came out what, 4, 5 months ago? If this were 20 years ago, hell, 10 years ago a single movie like that would be able to sustain interest and discussion for atleast three years until a sequel came out. Doesn't happen now, because there's a "new" Star Wars every year. People are hating on RedLetterMedia, but they're dead on about how all this works, no matter how cynical it may be.

Only reason Rogue One keeps getting brought up is because Khev, Jye and Wor keep bumping the thread up, not letting it die. That's not a diss on them, but it's the absolute truth. Before more of us chimed in today, it was literally just Khev and Jye going back and forth for pages about the trailers or something. It's always, "Oh, I just watched RO for the 15th time, it so good, it's better with each viewing. Really guys!", by the same people. It would be like Zach, Jye and me going to the Logan thread and having ****ing post ping pong about the thing we already discussed when we first saw it like cholos and Canada and grass. The RO fanatics are acting like they have to reassure themselves it's this great, memorable thing. Well if you gotta do that, I don't know if it's that special. Besides, nobody here can judge that, only time can. We'll see where it stands 10, 15 years from now.

As far as Star Wars is concerned, the thing that's being talked about now, the hype, "what's trending" if you will, is The Last Jedi. That's it. Well, that and this whole gray BS.

good post difab.

i also think it's the time we're living in, the internet creates a new trend everyday and forgets about yesterday's trend of the day. it's a never ending cycle of repeating crap.

 

[DiFabio]

but you're backing up this argument using the whole franchise.

so are you saying the PT is better Logan, just because it's Star Wars?

Jye can't be trusted. He's just too damn malleable.

The picture in my head is like this. Khev is on Jye's left shoulder and I'm on his right. Whoever whispers the most things to him is what he believes. If I could convince him that The Phantom Menace had more merit than Logan (and maybe throw in a pug), you better believe he'd choose it. He can masterfully quote TPM, wouldn't surprise me if he knows what the first line is from AOTC.

Though it hurts my heart that Jye will blow 24 bucks on a Rogue One blu ray (and possibly a $10 digital download too, unless I'm mistaking him for Khev), but he won't trust me that he'll be a happy boy with a little Darth Vader action figure and a cardboard display stand for about the same amount.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It would be like Zach, Jye and me going to the Logan thread and having ****ing post ping pong

Or the Batman Returns thread even.


But point taken. Relevance here at Freaks is easy to maintain if you simply count thread life.

Hell, I need to bump the Fury Road thread again. It's just me there, dammit.

 

[DiFabio]

Or the Batman Returns thread even.

Yeah, that place is dead. I ain't never getting my Catwimmin or Prenguis dolls.

You ****ing Disney guys get it all. Movies every year, toys and dolls every year. It just isn't fair!

 

[Khev]

My RO >>> ALIENS or RO >>>> Logan comments are just to ruffle your guys' feathers. Honestly I like that RO is kind of a cool but not totally in the spotlight SW flick. Because if it *was* the most praised/talked about thing ever then there'd be backlash, nitpicking, and all that. As it stands now the most damning criticism against it is the belief that it won't be loved in the "future." Well, okay, I guess we'll see.

It's cool that DiFabio and Zach have Logan, a-dev has ALIENS/Terminator, and then some of us have RO or what have you. Only odd man out is kara with X-Men: Apoc and GI Joe: Retaliation. Ouch. That guy totally has a right to be bitter at RO's success.

I might not love Logan but I sure as heck respect it. That's the only thing I'm a bit surprised about with regard to DiFab and even kara. I'd like to think that even if I wasn't a diehard OG SW fan that I'd look at RO and go "damn, props for going that route!" But eh, I've lived with ALIENS being dismissed for decades so I know that's just how some people roll. To each their own and all.

 

[JAWS]

Yup. I thought Logan was fantastic, but it too has already gotten lost by the wayside. That came out in what, March? Less than two months ago? And it's already old news. I'm actually kind of surprised. It's the same deal with Rogue One. Remember, that **** just came out what, 4, 5 months ago? If this were 20 years ago, hell, 10 years ago a single movie like that would be able to sustain interest and discussion for atleast three years until a sequel came out. Doesn't happen now, because there's a "new" Star Wars every year. People are hating on RedLetterMedia, but they're dead on about how all this works, no matter how cynical it may be.

Only reason Rogue One keeps getting brought up is because Khev, Jye and Wor keep bumping the thread up, not letting it die. That's not a diss on them, but it's the absolute truth. Before more of us chimed in today, it was literally just Khev and Jye going back and forth for pages about the trailers or something. [emoji38] It's always, "Oh, I just watched RO for the 15th time, it so good, it's better with each viewing. Really guys!", by the same people. It would be like Zach, Jye and me going to the Logan thread and having ****ing post ping pong about the thing we already discussed when we first saw it like cholos and Canada and grass. The RO fanatics are acting like they have to reassure themselves it's this great, memorable thing. Well if you gotta do that, I don't know if it's that special. Besides, nobody here can judge that, only time can. We'll see where it stands 10, 15 years from now.

As far as Star Wars is concerned, the thing that's being talked about now, the hype, "what's trending" if you will, is The Last Jedi. That's it. Well, that and this whole gray BS. Even then, once December 2017 rolls around, that'll just blend into TFA and RO in the background with Han Solo in the forefront. It'll all just be the same. Look at DC. BvS JUST came out last year, and it was basically dead on arrival in terms of relevance. Same with Suicide Squad. Who cares about them with Justice League on the horizon. Who cares about Thor 5 or Guardians 3 with Infinity War on the horizon. Who cares about RO when we have three upcoming Star Wars movies in the works, as we speak.

Nobody (except a couple of passionate fanboys).

Oh and uh, .

RO > DiFabio

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[ZaCHw117]

Jye can't be trusted. He's just too damn malleable.

The picture in my head is like this. Khev is on Jye's left shoulder and I'm on his right. Whoever whispers the most things to him is what he believes. If I could convince him that The Phantom Menace had more merit than Logan (and maybe throw in a pug), you better believe he'd choose it. He can masterfully quote TPM, wouldn't surprise me if he knows what the first line is from AOTC.

Though it hurts my heart that Jye will blow 24 bucks on a Rogue One blu ray (and possibly a $10 digital download too, unless I'm mistaking him for Khev), but he won't trust me that he'll be a happy boy with a little Darth Vader action figure and a cardboard display stand for about the same amount.

It's cool that DiFabio and Zach have Logan, a-dev has ALIENS/Terminator, and then some of us have RO or what have you. Only odd man out is kara with X-Men: Apoc and GI Joe: Retaliation. Ouch. That guy totally has a right to be bitter at RO's success.

and he gives people **** for liking Suicide Squad and BvS?

 

[jye4ever]

but you're backing up this argument using the whole franchise.

so are you saying the PT is better Logan, just because it's Star Wars?

I made sure to specifically say "quality" SW lol.

Jye can't be trusted. He's just too damn malleable.

The picture in my head is like this. Khev is on Jye's left shoulder and I'm on his right. Whoever whispers the most things to him is what he believes. If I could convince him that The Phantom Menace had more merit than Logan (and maybe throw in a pug), you better believe he'd choose it. He can masterfully quote TPM, wouldn't surprise me if he knows what the first line is from AOTC.

Though it hurts my heart that Jye will blow 24 bucks on a Rogue One blu ray (and possibly a $10 digital download too, unless I'm mistaking him for Khev), but he won't trust me that he'll be a happy boy with a little Darth Vader action figure and a cardboard display stand for about the same amount.

I absolutely love reading your posts no matter the subject or position you hold lol

Yeah i'm actually very malleable it just comes with being easy going.

I feel like a POS now regarding that Vader, you're killing me lol.

My RO >>> ALIENS or RO >>>> Logan comments are just to ruffle your guys' feathers. Honestly I like that RO is kind of a cool but not totally in the spotlight SW flick. Because if it *was* the most praised/talked about thing ever then there'd be backlash, nitpicking, and all that. As it stands now the most damning criticism against it is the belief that it won't be loved in the "future." Well, okay, I guess we'll see.

It's cool that DiFabio and Zach have Logan, a-dev has ALIENS/Terminator, and then some of us have RO or what have you. Only odd man out is kara with X-Men: Apoc and GI Joe: Retaliation. Ouch. That guy totally has a right to be bitter at RO's success.

I might not love Logan but I sure as heck respect it. That's the only thing I'm a bit surprised about with regard to DiFab and even kara. I'd like to think that even if I wasn't a diehard OG SW fan that I'd look at RO and go "damn, props for going that route!" But eh, I've lived with ALIENS being dismissed for decades so I know that's just how some people roll. To each their own and all.

Your friends kara and DiFabio are quite the RO haters. I wonder if they really care about anything... or anybody.