Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[a-dev]

My RO >>> ALIENS or RO >>>> Logan comments are just to ruffle your guys' feathers.

So all I'm hearing is that you think that James Cameron is uniquely awesome for micromanaging so much of his 9.9 film. But Rogue One is a 10. And Cameron didn't make one of those. #micdrop #lectureemoji

He lied. He lied to us. Terminate him. Immediately!



I know, I know, ''from a certain point of view'' you didn't, but Tarkin quote!

 

[Khev]

I don't like having to spell out why one of my all time top 10 films doesn't quite match another but dammit DiFabio just keeps pushing me. It ain't half fair.

 

[jye4ever]

I can only go by my own feelings and they are that I enjoy RO regardless if it was created by a solo genuine artist or by a large studio conglomerate.

Have we forgotten how many directors were involved with the Wizard of Oz?

Lets not forget the Superman 2 debacle.

None of this studio stuff is new.

Just accept the reality that the artist-studio struggle has always existed.

Francis Ford Copolla, **** Donner, John Milius all complained of being marginalized or crushed by the weight of the studio decisions.

But unlike Trank they were professional enough to survive and have a career just like Gareth will.

Gareth has a background in vfx, i'm sure he was more valuable to Disney and ILM than DiFabio is giving him credit for.

We all know that when Tarkin destroyed Alderaan that was Lucas destroying United Artist.

Lucas was always a hypocrite anyways he only hated the studio system when it didn't benefit him.

But as soon as Fox recognized his genius forget about it Fox was the best thing since interracial marriage.

 

[Khev]

Yep, and let's not forget that arguably the greatest film of all time for many of us (The Empire Strikes Back) was hardly directed by a man who was in full control of the IP. But like Kershner before him Edwards' sensibilities allowed for the creation of one the best SW films ever.

ESB and RO represent the good side of directors working with all parties and still getting to cut loose with their best work to the full benefit of the franchise and fans. ROTJ and Alien 3, not so much.

 

[jye4ever]

Poor Richard Marquand he wanted more cool SW but Lucas wanted more bad SW.

 

[karamazov80]

I've just got a few minutes to skim here before running off to a meeting, but of course, I agree with much of what DiFabio says.

I disagree with regard to Rogue One. Having all the characters survive (or at least Jyn and Cassian) like all the other SW films definitely would have been more "toy friendly." Some of you really seem to be ignoring the non-formulaic and even risky aspects of this film simply because you didn't love it.

The unpredictably dark ending doesn't outweigh all of the obvious, formulaic, crowd-pleasing decisions made in the run-up to it. And also, all those deaths were glorified, making the victims into martyrs while heroic music probably played on. So, not very risky or edgy in that regard IMO. We see that done to one extent or another all the time. It was surprising because it happened to everyone, and because it's Star Wars, where you expect the producers to be thinking of sequel and spinoff at every opportunity. . .of course, we could still get a prequel to this with Jyn as a teenager or whatever *sigh*

forgotten films then look no further than the blockbuster wannabes that came out last month (Logan, BatB, Kong, GitS) that are *already* off of everyone's radar. Compared to RO discussion which is still going strong almost six months after release.

i also think it's the time we're living in, the internet creates a new trend everyday and forgets about yesterday's trend of the day. it's a never ending cycle of repeating crap.

I've been making this argument for awhile now (you can see my posts about it after Logan, when half the guys there were claiming it was a masterpiece that people will be holding up as the gold standard for years to come), but definitely agree.

It's cool that DiFabio and Zach have Logan, a-dev has ALIENS/Terminator, and then some of us have RO or what have you. Only odd man out is kara with X-Men: Apoc and GI Joe: Retaliation. Ouch. That guy totally has a right to be bitter at RO's success.

For the record, I thought Logan was a better film than Apoc, though I do like Apoc a lot. I just stick out because I'm one of maybe two people on this forum who liked it at all! And I've never seen Retaliation all the way through Which is really damning considering Flint is one of my favorite fictional characters. I'll watch 100 Rogue Ones before I watch another ****ty GI Joe debacle.

Yes it was a team effort with no one person getting total credit but like ANH and ALIENS before it I think this is one of the best examples of how the synergy between artists and money men can make something truly great. It doesn't feel wrong at all to rank it up there with SW/ESB/ALIENS.

 

[jye4ever]

[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]I can no longer remain gray in this cinematic battle between cynicism (DiFabio) and optimism (Khev). [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Darth DiFabio: "This is my apprentice, Darth Karamazov80"


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[Darth Snoopy]

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[Khev]

Darth DiFabio: "This is my apprentice, Darth Karamazov80"

Yep.

I agree with much of what DiFabio says. I do like Apoc a lot.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I can only go by my own feelings and they are that I enjoy RO regardless if it was created by a solo genuine artist or by a large studio conglomerate.

Have we forgotten how many directors were involved with the Wizard of Oz?

Lets not forget the Superman 2 debacle.

None of this studio stuff is new.

Just accept the reality that the artist-studio struggle has always existed.

Francis Ford Copolla, **** Donner, John Milius all complained of being marginalized or crushed by the weight of the studio decisions.

But unlike Trank they were professional enough to survive and have a career just like Gareth will.

Gareth has a background in vfx, i'm sure he was more valuable to Disney and ILM than DiFabio is giving him credit for.

We all know that when Tarkin destroyed Alderaan that was Lucas destroying United Artist.

Lucas was always a hypocrite anyways he only hated the studio system when it didn't benefit him.

But as soon as Fox recognized his genius forget about it Fox was the best thing since interracial marriage.

Three gray stars for being insightful.

 

[DiFabio]

I can no longer remain gray in this cinematic battle between DiFabio and Khev.

I choose Khev.

Then I've failed.

 

[Wor-Gar]

However many rating stars you give this flick, you must add one just for this guy alone:

 

[jye4ever]

Then I've failed.

While your cynical outlook on the studio state of affairs might be highly accurate I just want to have fun with Khev:

 

[mrdbios]

However many rating stars you give this flick, you must add one just for this guy alone:

Definitely one of the coolest new designs for Disney Wars movies.

 

[JAWS]

All this talk about being risky or not is all BS to me. Film still would have been great if they all survived. I wish they did so that they could have made another RO taking place at some other battle in the galaxy. I would love to have been able to see all these characters more. Easily the best SW film after ANH and ESB.

I get that many feel that the characters were not developed enough. On first viewing I felt the same way. But repeat viewings fixed all that as I now know what they are all about going into the film. I would say that after the main OT characters that these are my fav. The action was fantastic and the story was as good and as well told as a prequel can be. IMO.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm the apprentice of cynicism? I was cynical about everything while the rest of you were in diapers! Dammit. A play of Waiting for Godot is my idea of a fun night out.

However many rating stars you give this flick, you must add one just for this guy alone:

I've got no issues with the design decisions for Rogue One. Cool looking alien there. I certainly appreciate all the call backs to the original films in that regard. The whole aesthetic in the prequels was gaudy and cheesy most of the time.

While your cynical outlook on the studio state of affairs might be highly accurate I just want to have fun with Khev:

All this talk about being risky or not is all BS to me. Film still would have been great if they all survived.

I don't think my opinion would be affected significantly if this had happened. Because it's still a story couched in the fantasy world of Star Wars, with good and evil, fantastic and unrealistic stuff happening left and right, the Force, etc. You can't exactly treat it like it's in the "universe" of the Wire when you're watching it, where death is unexpected, unromantic, and just adding to the general mood of despair and. . .cynicism.

 

[JAWS]

However many rating stars you give this flick, you must add one just for this guy alone:

YES! Of the new SW films including the PT this was the first background character I wanted more of. For me he had the special something that Fett had.

 

[jye4ever]

All this talk about being risky or not is all BS to me. Film still would have been great if they all survived. I wish they did so that they could have made another RO taking place at some other battle in the galaxy. I would love to have been able to see all these characters more. Easily the best SW film after ANH and ESB.

I get that many feel that the characters were not developed enough. On first viewing I felt the same way. But repeat viewings fixed all that as I now know what they are all about going into the film. I would say that after the main OT characters that these are my fav. The action was fantastic and the story was as good and we'll told as a prequel can be.

Bingo!

Although I don't agree about them surviving I much prefer them dying.

 

[Khev]

While your cynical outlook on the studio state of affairs might be highly accurate I just want to have fun with Khev:

I would say that after the main OT characters that these are my fav. The action was fantastic and the story was as good and we'll told as a prequel can be.

Absolutely. I agree that I'd also love to see more of these characters on screen, however I believe that it's best that I'll forever "want" to see them but will never be granted that wish. It makes everything they did in RO more meaningful that way IMO.

 

[karamazov80]

Although I don't agree about them surviving I much prefer them dying.

What a cynical world view you must have! You sound like Ted Bundy out of context