Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*
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Since those in power can dictate law, I can't argue with the point of legality
They also get to determine who the official enemy of the "state" (or "empire" or whatever) is. During McCarthyism, it was anyone who didn't kowtow to the whims of demagogues. In South African during Apartheid, it was Nelson Mandela. So, in the modern world, we have academics in Turkey, gays in Chechnya, Tibetan Monks in China, religious minorities all over, the media and independent thinkers in the U.S., etc. who are enemies. In Star Wars, it would be the rebels. . .from a certain point of view.
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You guys talking about all this does bring up a question for me: what DID the Empire do that was so wrong and oppressive? I mean, besides killing off all the Jedi. Was it really just about taxes and tariffs? They built a super laser that could destroy a planet in order to threaten said planet into giving them more money?
Well, I guess I answered my own question.
But then what the hell does Palps need all that money for? (“What does God need with a starship?”—Capt. James Tiberius Kirk)
Well, I guess I answered my own question.
But then what the hell does Palps need all that money for? (“What does God need with a starship?”—Capt. James Tiberius Kirk)
There was insinuation that they were oppressing free speech and killing or imprisoning the opposition. That's standard authoritarian/bad guy behavior. With the end goal of consolidating power and having the Emperor tell everyone what they should be doing, while worshipping the devil behind closed doors or whatever being an adherent to the dark side means. But I'm not enough of a Star Wars-ite to know all the backstory.
Prequel trade dispute nonsense is probably not based on a very well thought out philosophy about human governance and behavior
But, maybe the Empire is anti-trade, imposing those damn tariffs, manipulating Imperial space credits, and dumping their space shrimp on Tatooine!
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Listen, Sheev must have been handing out some pretty good benefits to his men for them to stick by him. General Veers probably had a great pension until hippy ****s like Mon Mothma, Jan Dodonna and Leia took it from them. Look how happy the Ersos were under the Empire. Now compare that to when they defected (all because Galen's hoe got out of line).
The only people that got a bad deal were the officers Vader chocked to death, but that's a Skywalker problem, not the Empire's. Look at all the technological advancements that were made under the Empire. Think of all the recession ending public work projects created under Palpatine and Tarkin.
Would you rather live in a world run by the Emperor and Tarkin, or one that would permit bureaucratics like Jar Jar Binks to hold a position of power? That's what I thought.
The only people that got a bad deal were the officers Vader chocked to death, but that's a Skywalker problem, not the Empire's. Look at all the technological advancements that were made under the Empire. Think of all the recession ending public work projects created under Palpatine and Tarkin.
Would you rather live in a world run by the Emperor and Tarkin, or one that would permit bureaucratics like Jar Jar Binks to hold a position of power? That's what I thought.
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He seems strangely more ... humble in 2005 than he does now. 12 years later he's just an angry, crotchety old man full of anger and hate and... *Yoda voice* suffering...
Fear of being brought out back and shot can be a powerful motivating force. It worked for Stalin and Pol Pot.
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Yeah, Leia wasn't needed at all and Tarkin could have been used less, but I liked his inclusion--was better at certain points than others.
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The Rebels or the resistance or whatever they are now are evil, okay? Not just that, but they're incredibly lame. Their love of aliens and ugly mon calamari fleets and technology is just sickening. I hate their ***gy orange jump suits and their haughty liberal leaders. Look at Mon Mothma, look at her.
What a ****, she makes me sick. She's as preachy as she is frigid. Don't even get me started on Admiral Ackbar.
If you have more rebel dolls than Empire dolls or prefer to play as the Rebels over the Empire in Battlefront or Star Wars Battleship, then we can't be friends.
What a ****, she makes me sick. She's as preachy as she is frigid. Don't even get me started on Admiral Ackbar.
If you have more rebel dolls than Empire dolls or prefer to play as the Rebels over the Empire in Battlefront or Star Wars Battleship, then we can't be friends.
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I haven't had my Star Wars collection on display in many years now but if there's one diorama I'd love to set up again it's my old Echo Base display. I could only bring myself to buy so many stormtroopers (in part because I knew they'd all turn yellow in the end) but I could never get enough rebels, rebel droids and ships for my Echo Base set-up.
The 1/6th landscape is devoid of Hoth Rebels which is such a shame as its the Rebellion's coolest (pun) look in the entire saga.
You know I'm not surprised that there are a number of you that will only accept SW if it eschews any inkling of George's original spirit. It's certainly a "throw the baby out with the bathwater approach" that has had success in the past. Probably the two most noteworthy examples would be the TDK trilogy and Logan. Superhero movies that are absolutely horrified and embarrassed by the fact that they are...superhero movies. So they ditch every possible reminder that they think would dredge up Schumacher/X-Men Origins memories and go full haughty taughty.
And admirably so with regard to the films I mentioned (give or take TDKR.) But I would never want that for Star Wars. I always want it to remain above the need to attain "respectability" at all costs. Keep it innocent, keep it exciting, don't be afraid to embrace that which we love most about the universe. Even if it does move closer to something more grounded and intense (like RO or Empire before it) I'd never want it to go full Nolan/Logan.
The Red Letter Media mindset has got to be one of the most laughable takes on a genre film I've ever come across. Just apply it to any other franchise. "Oh look another Batman movie with a guy who dresses like a bat! Such fan service! Oh look, the Batmobile again! Memba? Memba colorful villains?" It's pretty absurd.
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CG Tarkin is just something that people harp on *who didn't like the film anyway.* I don't see him being this big sticking point with people who enjoyed it. He certainly wasn't a "Talia's death" where even the most diehard fans of the movie go "yeah, that absolutely sucked."
There was literally nothing they could have done that would *not* have been jarring. Peter Cushing is dead. No look alike actor would ever make me forget that. No prosthetic Peter Cushing mask would make me forget it. No over the shoulder camera shots or through the bathroom stall shots would make me forget that. Every scene would just be a cover for the fact that he's dead.
So, since "jarring" was a foregone conclusion from the get go what were they left with? Not have Tarkin in the movie? Even that would have still felt like they were doing something to avoid the obvious. So they might as well embrace the fact that we all know the real guy wasn't going to make an appearance and just put him into the story as naturally as they could. Could they have gone too far? Yes. If he had Krennic's prominence that would have been too much. But as a side character who's a thorn in the side of the real villain I and seemingly everyone who enjoyed the film (I'm sure there are exceptions) thought he worked great.
And what's better is that now whenever I *do* watch the real Peter Cushing in ANH he seems ever more badass. Win/win.
There was literally nothing they could have done that would *not* have been jarring. Peter Cushing is dead. No look alike actor would ever make me forget that. No prosthetic Peter Cushing mask would make me forget it. No over the shoulder camera shots or through the bathroom stall shots would make me forget that. Every scene would just be a cover for the fact that he's dead.
So, since "jarring" was a foregone conclusion from the get go what were they left with? Not have Tarkin in the movie? Even that would have still felt like they were doing something to avoid the obvious. So they might as well embrace the fact that we all know the real guy wasn't going to make an appearance and just put him into the story as naturally as they could. Could they have gone too far? Yes. If he had Krennic's prominence that would have been too much. But as a side character who's a thorn in the side of the real villain I and seemingly everyone who enjoyed the film (I'm sure there are exceptions) thought he worked great.
And what's better is that now whenever I *do* watch the real Peter Cushing in ANH he seems ever more badass. Win/win.
What Khev said. 
What Cocoboloboy agreed with
You're straw-manning my perspective here. I think that Star Wars films should follow the spirit of the originals, if we're going to get more of them at all (though personally, I think I would be just as well off with nothing apart from the original films). But the motivation for this film was to pour over every reference to the acquisition of the rebel plans, insert all those as areas that fans could point to and, like the Red Letter guys point out, say "hey, I remember that!" or "I understood that reference!" The whole movie was set up to appeal to people on this level. When I saw those guys from the bar walking in the street, and the R2 and 3PO cameos, it became inarguable. Obviously, there is a big audience for this, and its the commercially smart thing to do. But it cheapens the whole endeavor. Force Awakens was more or less the same thing, which was my major issue with it from the get-go, though I think it is a fun, well made movie. And this isn't just a Star Wars thing, as we see this all over. Something like Split is an example of how you do this right IMO. You create a movie in the universe of another, but it's creative and original. Unfortunately, I can easily see the proposed sequel going the other way, where they try to appeal to everyone on nostalgic levels to such an extent that it cheapens the originality, and lessens the quality of the new product.
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