Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Here's a question for you Bravomite; do you really think that Tarkin's comments in RO sync up with the PT? I mean in RO he flat out states "I'll tell him [The Emperor] that I will be taking control of the weapon I first spoke of years ago" implying that he's taking credit for originally planting the seed in the Emperor's ear. How does that possibly sync up with the end of AOTC? We saw point blank that the Geonosians had plans for a fully functioning Death Star which they gave to Count Dooku who then took them *directly* to Palpatine. There's really no wiggle room to allow Tarkin to squeeze in and "speak about" the DS prior to that.

Do you consider it a continuity gaffe and just handwave it away or do you think that somehow the movies do all fit together?
 
Here's a question for you Bravomite; do you really think that Tarkin's comments in RO sync up with the PT? I mean in RO he flat out states "I'll tell him [The Emperor] that I will be taking control of the weapon I first spoke of years ago" implying that he's taking credit for originally planting the seed in the Emperor's ear. How does that possibly sync up with the end of AOTC? We saw point blank that the Geonosians had plans for a fully functioning Death Star which they gave to Count Dooku who then took them *directly* to Palpatine. There's really no wiggle room to allow Tarkin to squeeze in and "speak about" the DS prior to that.

Do you consider it a continuity gaffe and just handwave it away or do you think that somehow the movies do all fit together?

:lecture Well [thumbs through EU encyclopedia] ...

I think this line from Tarkin was chiefly designed to rile poor Krennic but I can explain it away if you would like [waves force hand at Khev].

In the PT and the EU (including Cataylst the RO prequel novel) it is pretty clear that Tarkin was not that involved in the initial construction of the Death Star. Dooku took the plans from Geonosians (the plans were unfinished and did not include details of super laser which Galen designed later) and gave them to Sidious. Sidious in his guise as benevolent Chancellor Palpatine then disclosed the plans to his top military advisers (excluding the jedi but including Tarkin) in a secret briefing where he said they had been intercepted from the Separatists.

Someone in the meeting (which may have been Tarkin thanks to that line in Rogue One) had the bright idea that the Republic should build their own Death Star to combat the Separatist's Death Star and this started an imaginary arms race (in reality the Separatists were never building one). Construction was slow and costly (I mean it took from the end of ROTS to RO to complete) and many believed it could not be done. It was also mired in the issue of the super laser which proved impossible to solve until Krennic (trying to advance his own career) convinced/tricked his old buddy Galen to work on it using Kyber Crystal research. At this point Krennic had weaseled his way into taking control of the construction of the Death Star.

What we see at the end of ROTS is Tarkin, the Emperor and Vader visiting Geonosis where the first stage of construction is taking place under Krennic's control (phase 2 of the construction and installation of the superlaser took place over Scariff).

Tarkin always held the belief that the best way to govern the galaxy was through fear (what us EU nerds call the Tarkin Doctrine) and upon seeing the Death Star at this phase in construction began to believe that this might actually be the thing to do it ... it's not a stretch to think that his line in Rogue One could also have been referring to some witty comment he made to the Emperor at that time like "Yo Sheev, this Death Star is exactly the kind of thing that we can use to govern the galaxy through fear". From that point on he kept a close watch on its progress and Krennic realizing the danger was constantly trying to out maneuver Tarkin and keep him away from his baby.

In RO Tarkin, upon witnessing the power of Death Star, decided to step in and take over / take credit for it. Krennic only ever reported to Mas Amedda during the construction process and the Emperor only visited the Death Star on that one occasion shown in ROTS. Tarkin had been with the Emperor on the occasions that he had either been in a meeting discussing the Death Star or visiting it ... so not a stretch to think that he thought he could easily swoop in and take credit it for it especially as Krennic was way down the pecking order and barely had the courage to whine to Vader let alone the Emperor.

No gaffs, no continuity errors all safely explained away by the EU.

So you see Khev the ability to ignore the PT is nothing compared to the power of the EU.

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I wished you had asked me this question right after I had finished reading Catalyst when it was fresh in my memory. All I could remember was that I was satisfied with the explanation given but not the details ... you made me go on Wookipedia to check the detalis :lsvader
 
:lecture Well [thumbs through EU encyclopedia] ...

I think this line from Tarkin was chiefly designed to rile poor Krennic but I can explain it away if you would like [waves force hand at Khev].

In the PT and the EU (including Cataylst the RO prequel novel) it is pretty clear that Tarkin was not that involved in the initial construction of the Death Star. Dooku took the plans from Geonosians (the plans were unfinished and did not include details of super laser which Galen designed later) and gave them to Sidious. Sidious in his guise as benevolent Chancellor Palpatine then disclosed the plans to his top military advisers (excluding the jedi but including Tarkin) in a secret briefing where he said they had been intercepted from the Separatists.

Someone in the meeting (which may have been Tarkin thanks to that line in Rogue One) had the bright idea that the Republic should build their own Death Star to combat the Separatist's Death Star and this started an imaginary arms race (in reality the Separatists were never building one). Construction was slow and costly (I mean it took from the end of ROTS to RO to complete) and many believed it could not be done. It was also mired in the issue of the super laser which proved impossible to solve until Krennic (trying to advance his own career) convinced/tricked his old buddy Galen to work on it using Kyber Crystal research. At this point Krennic had weaseled his way into taking control of the construction of the Death Star.

What we see at the end of ROTS is Tarkin, the Emperor and Vader visiting Geonosis where the first stage of construction is taking place under Krennic's control (phase 2 of the construction and installation of the superlaser took place over Scariff).

Tarkin always held the belief that the best way to govern the galaxy was through fear (what us EU nerds call the Tarkin Doctrine) and upon seeing the Death Star at this phase in construction began to believe that this might actually be the thing to do it ... it's not a stretch to think that his line in Rogue One could also have been referring to some witty comment he made to the Emperor at that time like "Yo Sheev, this Death Star is exactly the kind of thing that we can use to govern the galaxy through fear". From that point on he kept a close watch on its progress and Krennic realizing the danger was constantly trying to out maneuver Tarkin and keep him away from his baby.

In RO Tarkin, upon witnessing the power of Death Star, decided to step in and take over / take credit for it. Krennic only ever reported to Mas Amedda during the construction process and the Emperor only visited the Death Star on that one occasion shown in ROTS. Tarkin had been with the Emperor on the occasions that he had either been in a meeting discussing the Death Star or visiting it ... so not a stretch to think that he thought he could easily swoop in and take credit it for it especially as Krennic was way down the pecking order and barely had the courage to whine to Vader let alone the Emperor.

No gaffs, no continuity errors all safely explained away by the EU.

So you see Khev the ability to ignore the PT is nothing compared to the power of the EU.

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"What a vivid imagination..."

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Ha! RO went back to the original idea that Tarkin "designed" the Death Star, which was the information that I was raised on in 1977 long before the EU, and even longer before the PT.

Things changed to suit new stories. Lucas disregarded much of his own creation when crafting his own Expanded Past.

Clearly, RO took back the idea that Tarkin is responsible for the Death Star -- whether by design, by concept, or simply by super weapon. His RO backstory is NOW canon -- all other EU crap rescinded.



Now PTers know how I felt when Tarkin was originally stripped of his Death Star connection.
 
technically speaking, galen was ahead of the "superweapon" part, including saber crystals.

the geo's could have easily had the plans for a battle station, but no idea how to power its weapon.

plus, there's bail organa (and no matter how much reaching khev does) that fact alone, confirms, without a doubt, that the prequels are in fact part of the same universe and storyline as the OT.

he can think of the cannon any way he wants, but it's comparable to a 6 year old coming up with stories with their action figures in a bath tub.

I know where he's coming from, I used to make up story lines with my LOTR figures all the time back in the day, taking over my basement. :lol
 
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plus, there's bail organa (and no matter how much reaching khev does) that fact alone, confirms, without a doubt, that the prequels are in fact part of the same universe and storyline as the OT.

Nonsense. Do you think James Cameron accepts all Terminator sequels as "canon" simply because Arnold plays a T-800 in all of them? Bail is hardly some undeniable link between the OT and PT. As I already said Anthony Daniels and Ian McDiarmid bridge the saga as well. So what. Roy Scheider was in JAWS 2, Sigourney Weaver was in ALIEN 3 and A:Res. Chris Reeve was in Superman III and IV which was ignored by Superman Returns. So Smits appearing in two SW films means nothing in and of itself. As always people get to accept and reject films as they please.

Does any of that stop me from rescuing the Disney Elite Series Jyn Erso in the bathtub every night? No but that's neither here nor there...
 
it's not up to james cameron to be honest, it's up to the writers and franchise as a whole.

The terminators haven't been "rebooted" nor has SW, making all the saga cannon. you can deny it, and come up with your own little stories. but they will always be apart of cannon, and catered to as cannon.

no stopping that.

have you ever asked yourself, "I wonder why Bail Organa is in this movie anyways?"

it's to make it cannon. :lol

no matter how much you want to believe in your own little world, RO is officially cannon to the PT and OT. No way around it.
 
Of course it's all "official" but who cares about that? :lol

everyone but you apparently. :lol

do you not remember the uproar about disney wiping the EU clean?

Cannon is essential to Star Wars, always has been, always will be.

Only true SW fans can accept this level of woke tho, so it doesn't surprise me that it confuses you. :lol

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OT doesn't exist anymore, accept it. If it does, go try and buy it. :lol

the big bad mouse has clouded your judgement boi.

the cannon for the OT is

TPM
AOTC
ROTS
RO
HS
ANH
ESB
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ

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Well, it's a giant weapon of mass destruction and only white men are truly evil enough to create something like that.
 
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