S.H. Figuarts Star Wars

[BOLISARIO]

$95 is not exaggerating. Look at the prices from BBTS, this is the point of my whole thing against these.... the price.

If you could actually get that TPM Kenobi or ROTJ Luke for $50 shipped, know there will be a deep character variation, and know that issues with distribution of this line would be cleared up, I would have no problem in switching over to these.

That's what I explained earlier, it's buying from U.S. shops that drive imported figures up like crazy.I get what you're saying though, the price sucks. It's not SHF making overpriced rubber caped figures, the resellers mark it up to make a small profit when they bulk purchase non-discounted import figures.

Anyways, we need to boycott HT for raising their prices every 6 months on their most basic figures with the least accessories. But like crack, it's a hard habit to break.

 

[LipSmack]

$95 is not exaggerating. Look at the prices from BBTS, this is the point of my whole thing against these.... the price.

If you could actually get that TPM Kenobi or ROTJ Luke for $50 shipped, know there will be a deep character variation, and know that issues with distribution of this line would be cleared up, I would have no problem in switching over to these.

That is exagerating, bbts doesnt get wholesale, they pay Japanese retail and mark up from there, so you cant use that as your reference as its greatly skewed. Youre obvioulsy a hasbro schill just trying to defend the un defendable, their product is crap, if you enjoy it thats a you thing, non of us are buying into anymore

 

[smitbro2]

It reads "Order Stop" because they're sold out of that item, if you've ever ordered from them you'd know that. I have Star Wars figures on preorder with Amiami, HLJ and CD Japan, and all orders are fine. I want to see someone show me definitive proof that this import sales issue includes SH Figuarts. I'll wait.....

It doesn't. Figuarts are okay. Read my posts and Google revell bandai for more info.

 

[Silrian]

I am already laughing at you.

No, my arguments do hold, no point in derailing this thread meant for discussing overpriced imported rubber caped figures. $85 for a 6" battle droid? You reealllly think Hasbro, for $20, would not be better? Only thing Hasbro could never match is that TPM Kenobi, It makes all BS figures look bad.

I've never talked droids – I've literally said I wouldn't buy shf army builders when their model kits nd bs is round for that. Is the shf droid gonna be a higher quality then bs puts out, **** yes. Will it be worth the money to me personally? No, but you seem to confuse quality with quality/price ratio. What quality/price ratio is acceptable to someone is personal and relative. The quality itself isn't, albeit some people percieve less well than others, and perceptiveness isn't static either.

As for the argument you gave to me, they do not hold: bs kylo ren is lesser quality than shf and also less accurate, that is a fact. If you find the quality/price ratio on the bs figure better that's entirely your opnion to have. But that's a different debate than the quality by itself.

To be honest I don't really know what you thought to accomplish here, or better yet why you tried? You clearly dislike these figures for whatever reason, so why even come here? To me it seems like you're just going out of your way to defend a hasbro against a competitor. Hasbro who across the boar, is utterly slacking in quality – I was completely unhappy with the BS before I knew any shf version, and a lot of hasbro collectors are.

The only thing you're arguments show is a bias toward hasbro – brand loyalist much?

 

[LipSmack]

Wheres he getting $85 for battle droid? Mine were like $35 a piece

 

[WWEJedi]

You can get them for that price at the Japanese websites mentioned here. I'm not sure if you are charged extra by your postal service however. Kylo was 40 and the shipping is in the $10 range for SAL economy shipping

Sold out already on sites I checked... only one I would be interested in would be TPM Kenobi for $50.

That's what I explained earlier, it's buying from U.S. shops that drive imported figures up like crazy.I get what you're saying though, the price sucks. It's not SHF making overpriced rubber caped figures, the resellers mark it up to make a small profit when they bulk purchase non-discounted import figures.

Anyways, we need to boycott HT for raising their prices every 6 months on their most basic figures with the least accessories. But like crack, it's a hard habit to break.

I applaud you for being the only one here to see both sides and are actually reasonable

I agree with you about Hot Toys pricing... $250 per figure by next year I bet....

That is exagerating, bbts doesnt get wholesale, they pay Japanese retail and mark up from there, so you cant use that as your reference as its greatly skewed. Youre obvioulsy a hasbro schill just trying to defend the un defendable, their product is crap, if you enjoy it thats a you thing, non of us are buying into anymore

Oh, you again. I like my Hasbro BS, for half of the price or quarter of a price, they are fine for my 6" desires.

I've never talked droids – I've literally said I wouldn't buy shf army builders when their model kits nd bs is round for that. Is the shf droid gonna be a higher quality then bs puts out, **** yes. Will it be worth the money to me personally? No, but you seem to confuse quality with quality/price ratio. What quality/price ratio is acceptable to someone is personal and relative. The quality itself isn't, albeit some people percieve less well than others, and perceptiveness isn't static either.

As for the argument you gave to me, they do not hold: bs kylo ren is lesser quality than shf and also less accurate, that is a fact. If you find the quality/price ratio on the bs figure better that's entirely your opnion to have. But that's a different debate than the quality by itself.

To be honest I don't really know what you thought to accomplish here, or better yet why you tried? You clearly dislike these figures for whatever reason, so why even come here? To me it seems like you're just going out of your way to defend a hasbro against a competitor. Hasbro who across the boar, is utterly slacking in quality – I was completely unhappy with the BS before I knew any shf version, and a lot of hasbro collectors are.

The only thing you're arguments show is a bias toward hasbro – brand loyalist much?

You must not read my posts.

Now, let me put it in bold.....FOR $20 THE QUALITY IS FINE, compared to figuarts, yes, AS I SAID BEFORE, the quality is not there, does not mean they still look good for $20. Do you understand now?

BS Ren is better than Figuarts. Factoring in everything, I rather have cloth materials than a rubber hood and cape, it screams cheap. Sure, figuarts "quality" is better, does not mean it looks better to me.

Oh look, there you are not reading my posts again.... Never said I disliked these figures, stop shoving words into my mouth. Already said TPM Kenobi is better than anything could Hasbro put out. Said the "quality" is better, said I would EVEN SWITCH TO BUYING SOME OF THESE, if I actually knew the distribution and character variation would get sorted out..... So, how the **** from all those things I said do you think I dislike these figures? Please explain.

Yup, bias towards Hasbro. Yup, complimented these figures and it is bias to Hasbro, yup.

Wheres he getting $85 for battle droid? Mine were like $35 a piece

BBTS. I would actually grab a few Battle Droids if I could get them for that price....

 

[Hydeous]

Retail price for shf figuarts is 5000yen (with discount from ami2 it's around 3900yen), that's bout $40. If we were to compare prices, let's not factor in the shipping as it differs from person to person. Because I'm in Asia, and the BS 6" available in store here are bout th same price as the figuarts that I import from ami2.

Only reason why you guys aren't getting it in the US/EU area is because hasbro has gotten the licensing before figuarts and they made it exclusively theirs, so there's no competition on their main market.

 

[Silrian]

You must not read my posts.

Now, let me put it in bold.....FOR $20 THE QUALITY IS FINE, compared to figuarts, yes, AS I SAID BEFORE, the quality is not there, does not mean they still look good for $20. Do you understand now?

BS Ren is better than Figuarts. Factoring in everything, I rather have cloth materials than a rubber hood and cape, it screams cheap. Sure, figuarts "quality" is better, does not mean it looks better to me.

Oh look, there you are not reading my posts again.... Never said I disliked these figures, stop shoving words into my mouth. Already said TPM Kenobi is better than anything could Hasbro put out. Said the "quality" is better, said I would EVEN SWITCH TO BUYING SOME OF THESE, if I actually knew the distribution and character variation would get sorted out..... So, how the **** from all those things I said do you think I dislike these figures? Please explain.

Yup, bias towards Hasbro. Yup, complimented these figures and it is bias to Hasbro, yup.


BBTS. I would actually grab a few Battle Droids if I could get them for that price....

I missed this post:

If you could actually get that TPM Kenobi or ROTJ Luke for $50 shipped, know there will be a deep character variation, and know that issues with distribution of this line would be cleared up, I would have no problem in switching over to these.

That's my bad, sorry.

Regarding 'what is better' all you've just said is an opinion. It's YOUR OPINION that the BS figures are good enough for 20$. It is my OPINION that they're not. As I stated before: quality/price ratio acceptance is personal.

When you say something IS better, people perceive that as if you mean it to be objectively so. You can't objectively gauge a quality/price ratio because price = worth, worth = relative (yes eventually, worth per definition is a relative concept). Some people think shf's are worth 200 bucks to them. How you decide what something is worth to you is subjective and therefor CAN'T be factored into what figure IS better. So your assessment "factoring in everything" is wrong objectively, because it IS NOT objective. You can exchange views on how you come to your opinion, at best you can state your preference as well as why. If that's all you meant to do, than you have done that, and we are done. We can agree to disagree. In that sense you're right: there is no debating this. Not because people don't want to, but because it's not debatable, it can be talked about and the majority here disagrees with you it seems. The BS Stormtroopers, Boba Fett, those were good 20$ figures IMO (and I actually paid a little more than that at the time). Most of the BS series figures are 3.75" quality for the most part, which is not worth 20$ to me (years ago it might've been and many things determine worth). And they also ruin things that need not be ruined, IN WHATEVER SCALE OR PRICERANGE. Why the **** do you not cut robes to a proper length!? Why the **** is Palpatine's cane too short to reach the ground!? They give one figure a bunch of accessories, and others next to nothing. That **** is ASININE. Kylo could've easily had a better saber if they just added a non-lit hilt. Even for 10$ 3.75' figures these choices are crap, because it needlessly lowers the quality. That quality lowering is factual. Dumb sloppyness like that isn't worth ANY money to me at all. That worth is my OPINION.

In short, to repeat myself once more: quality is debatable objectively, quality/price isn't.

Whatever you feel like discussing with other people go right ahead, I consider our conversation to be done. I understand where you stand and vice versa I assume. The rest is agree to disagree. If you wanna argue that quality/price ratio is objectively debatable, than I'm not going to indulge you, because you'd simply be wrong.

 

[Silrian]

@Hyd Jep, hasbro has the master toy license and they ********* as much as possible. They're not even confident enough themselves in their own product price-point range to allow competition.

 

[GasparZizou]

$95 is not exaggerating. Look at the prices from BBTS, this is the point of my whole thing against these.... the price.

I'm sorry but that is a dumb point, everybody and their grandmas know BBTS is the WORST place from where to order imports, it's the absolute last desperate resort due to how bad they inflate import prices, they act like scalpers lately, increasing prices depending on demand.

You could've got the SHF for $50 shipped or less if you POd before they sold out. HLJ, AmiAmi and others don't ask for payment upfront, if you didn't PO you have no one to blame but yourself for the crazy secondary prices.

I see both sides of the argument. When TBS line first came out, everyone was praising Hasbro for catering to collectors, etc. It was like the next best thing since sliced bread. Then SHF, Kaiyodo, etc came along and showed what we've been missing in 6" figures. They spoiled us and some won't settle for less. I'm just glad we have options out there, that is until Disney and Hasbro decides to restrict SHF SW to Japan only.

Not the case for me, I thought the BS figures were disgusting from the beginning, a couple of good ones that hide the shoddy paint and sculpt a little better, but the rest are garbage.

I think it is just ignorance to expect a $20 figure to be as good as a $95 figure. No one here seems to understand that these are $20 figures, by Hasbro, and still ***** about them, despite them matching the other overpriced 6" SW figures on the market.

The line is not even bad and gets way to much hate.

Again, Hasbro figures are bad EVEN for the $20 price range.

If by "the line isn't bad" you mean the character roster, I guess not, but they're happy meal toys.

 

[Hydeous]

@Hyd Jep, hasbro has the master toy license and they ********* as much as possible. They're not even confident enough themselves in their own product price-point range to allow competition.

Same goes with HT too right

 

[Silrian]

Not sure how you mean that remark Hyd? I don't consider 1/6 scale significant competition for hasbro...

 

[Jace Madan]

To throw in my 2 cents, I recently bought the SH figuarts Luke from amazon for $70 (the absolute cheapest I could find it), and while it is a nice figure, I feel like I paid too much. Even at $40-$50 seems a little high. Compared to the BS Jedi Luke, aside from the butterfly shoulders and a few other areas of added articulation, the BS one can do pretty much all of the same poses. Plus, I really don't care for the fact that they made the hair metallic gold. As far as the likeness goes, I actually like the BS Luke a bit better, while still not perfect, I just see more of Hamill in it. The SH one kinda looks like a young Malcolm Mcdowell to me, I think it's the mouth, it just looks off to me. Plus the BS Luke has the facial moles sculpted in, I don't know about anyone else, but my SH one has no facial moles.

I'll probably still pick up the SH ANH Han if I can find it for a decent price. As far as Kylo Ren is concerned, I am perfectly happy with the BS one, I like the soft goods better than the rubber, and the fact that I only paid $20 for it leaves me satisfied. The robes being a bit too long doesn't bother me too much.

In the end, both companies have their positives and negatives, so I'm just glad we now have options to choose from in our 6" SW figures

 

[WWEJedi]

To throw in my 2 cents, I recently bought the SH figuarts Luke from amazon for $70 (the absolute cheapest I could find it), and while it is a nice figure, I feel like I paid too much. Even at $40-$50 seems a little high. Compared to the BS Jedi Luke, aside from the butterfly shoulders and a few other areas of added articulation, the BS one can do pretty much all of the same poses. Plus, I really don't care for the fact that they made the hair metallic gold. As far as the likeness goes, I actually like the BS Luke a bit better, while still not perfect, I just see more of Hamill in it. The SH one kinda looks like a young Malcolm Mcdowell to me, I think it's the mouth, it just looks off to me. Plus the BS Luke has the facial moles sculpted in, I don't know about anyone else, but my SH one has no facial moles.

I'll probably still pick up the SH ANH Han if I can find it for a decent price. As far as Kylo Ren is concerned, I am perfectly happy with the BS one, I like the soft goods better than the rubber, and the fact that I only paid $20 for it leaves me satisfied. The robes being a bit too long doesn't bother me too much.

In the end, both companies have their positives and negatives, so I'm just glad we now have options to choose from in our 6" SW figures

Glad someone agrees with me. Good post.

 

[MONK]

To throw in my 2 cents, I recently bought the SH figuarts Luke from amazon for $70 (the absolute cheapest I could find it), and while it is a nice figure, I feel like I paid too much. Even at $40-$50 seems a little high. Compared to the BS Jedi Luke, aside from the butterfly shoulders and a few other areas of added articulation, the BS one can do pretty much all of the same poses. Plus, I really don't care for the fact that they made the hair metallic gold. As far as the likeness goes, I actually like the BS Luke a bit better, while still not perfect, I just see more of Hamill in it. The SH one kinda looks like a young Malcolm Mcdowell to me, I think it's the mouth, it just looks off to me. Plus the BS Luke has the facial moles sculpted in, I don't know about anyone else, but my SH one has no facial moles.

I'll probably still pick up the SH ANH Han if I can find it for a decent price. As far as Kylo Ren is concerned, I am perfectly happy with the BS one, I like the soft goods better than the rubber, and the fact that I only paid $20 for it leaves me satisfied. The robes being a bit too long doesn't bother me too much.

In the end, both companies have their positives and negatives, so I'm just glad we now have options to choose from in our 6" SW figures

It's amazing how we can see things so differently. When I see the comparison pics of the BS Jedi Luke next to the SHF, it looks really bad.

 

[GasparZizou]

The thing with Hasbro is that their sculpts aren't bad per say, it's the ridiculously lazy molding and cheapest of plastics that throws any sculpture merit right into the trash, and to top it, the paint jobs are equally cheap and lazy, I've seen some customized Hasbro figures that look drop dead gorgeous, but those figures as-is are bottom of the barrel, and since Hasbro dominates the market, they're not gonna improve any time soon.

 

[Jace Madan]

The thing with Hasbro is that their sculpts aren't bad per say, it's the ridiculously lazy molding and cheapest of plastics that throws any sculpture merit right into the trash, and to top it, the paint jobs are equally cheap and lazy, I've seen some customized Hasbro figures that look drop dead gorgeous, but those figures as-is are bottom of the barrel, and since Hasbro dominates the market, they're not gonna improve any time soon.

Yeah, that's the problem with the Hasbro figures is the plastics used and the paints, but as you showed with that pic, the sculpting and likenesses are there, it's just the cutting of corners that obscures the detail. But for only $20 a piece, I'm happy with what we get.

Like I said, I'm just happy we have so many options to choose from now, figma, revoltech, SH figuarts, the bandai model kits and the black series all make for some great variety.

 

[LipSmack]

^havent seen any figma star wars figs, do you mean Mafex?

 

[Jace Madan]

^havent seen any figma star wars figs, do you mean Mafex?

Yeah, I meant Mafex, not figma. Got confused there for a second!

 

[LipSmack]

Yeah, I meant Mafex, not figma. Got confused there for a second!

Its easy to, so many companies have tgeir fingers in the bowl now