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It's true, because when a person scalps a particular piece, it is about the profit they will get from that piece, and not the love and passion for that particular piece. If it WAS about the love and passion for that particular piece, then they would buy it to keep and not to sell. EVEN if they already had one and were scalping another one, the one they are scalping is more valuable to them as profit than it is out of a passion or a love for that particular piece, which is of course, being due to large part because they already have one. Nevertheless, it is still true that scalping is more about profit than about the love for a piece.

I've never bought something for resale ... seems like a hassle. But, honestly, why is it your business how or for what purpose other people spend their money? Buy what you want, for whatever reason you want, and let other people do the same.

Profit is a perfectly acceptable reason for buying something. If collectibles are worth scalping ... they're underpriced to begin with. If they weren't underpriced, they wouldn't sell for higher than retail. Price is set by scarcity and demand. Simple economics ... the price and demand will find an equilibrium. Its the way the system works.

Furthermore -- everyone has a price. If I offered you 20x what you paid for your most prized "collectible", you'd probably sell. If you truly loved something, you wouldn't sell for any price ... and if you truly "love" a collectible, you're a nut.

SnakeDoc
 
What about the 'scalpers' love and passion for money? Shouldn't he be allowed to be a collector of money, or funds, or assets? Why should someone be labeled because of another persons problems within themselves?

Money is just a tool, unless you are talking about rare coins or something.
It has no real value other than the things it can buy. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't represent power either. If a label is accurate and specific, I have no problem with it. I am in favor of exact definitions categorizations, and classifications for everything. It helps me to understand life.
 
Money is just a tool, unless you are talking about rare coins or something.
It has no real value other than the things it can buy. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't represent power either.

If I offered you $25,000 cash for your most cherished collectible -- you'd bite. Money is a tool, but it is a fungible tool ... it is a tool by which you can convert a room full of collectibles into food on the table, a car in the driveway, or a 2500 sq. foot. home. That's the power ... that power can exceed the "love" of a knick-knack on a shelf.

SnakeDoc
 
How much for your "pot"?

:)

That is a nice pot, isn't it? Bamboo handle. Looks like copper. Very nice. I would prefer gilded stainless, because everything tastes better in gold, but....

It's seems to be a matter of attitude. Change your attitude and how you define something and blah blah blah. Fact is it's not a pot at all. It's a kettle. But if you're willing to pay the price of a pot, have I got a deal for youse.
 
If I offered you $25,000 cash for your most cherished collectible -- you'd bite. Money is a tool, but it is a fungible tool ... it is a tool by which you can convert a room full of collectibles into food on the table, a car in the driveway, or a 2500 sq. foot. home. That's the power ... that power can exceed the "love" of a knick-knack on a shelf.

SnakeDoc

Money is a tool to buy things that you want. If you already have what you you want, you don't need money, do you? There are a few things I have that I want to much that I would have to get enough money from their sale that it would be enough to buy them back, with a profit for my hassle. This would tend to negate the utility of selling them in the first place. There are some things that are worth way way more to me than they are to anyone else. There is one thing I lost that would cost maybe $400 to physically exactly duplicate, but I would spend millions of dollars to get back the original, if that is what it took, and indeed, I had the money. If I had $100 million, I would spend $100 million to get it back.
 
It's seems to be a matter of attitude. Change your attitude and how you define something and blah blah blah. Fact is it's not a pot at all. It's a kettle. But if you're willing to pay the price of a pot, have I got a deal for youse.

Yep it is a kettle. I'm not too familiar with kitchenware.
 
There is one thing I lost that would cost maybe $400 to physically exactly duplicate, but I would spend millions of dollars to get back the original, if that is what it took, and indeed, I had the money. If I had $100 million, I would spend $100 million to get it back.

I don't believe that. You'd spend every dollar you have -- up to $100M -- for a $400 collectible? You'd bankrupt yourself to get back? You'd destroy your life to save a trinket?

If true -- your love for this item is genuine, and disturbing. Prioritize.

SnakeDoc
 
It's true, because when a person scalps a particular piece, it is about the profit they will get from that piece, and not the love and passion for that particular piece. If it WAS about the love and passion for that particular piece, then they would buy it to keep and not to sell. EVEN if they already had one and were scalping another one, the one they are scalping is more valuable to them as profit than it is out of a passion or a love for that particular piece, which is of course, being due to large part because they already have one. Nevertheless, it is still true that scalping is more about profit than about the love for a piece.

Maybe, but only for the individuals involved. Your original post said:
Blackthornone said:
This scalping sours the collectibles hobby, because it places more emphasis upon money and profits than it does about passion and love for these pieces.

So your original statement is a generalization about the collectibles hobby. And even for you, that's a huge leap.:lol
 
Scalpers are evil.

But I've given up on trying to take them down. This forum exists so people can know about cool things and have a better opportunity of getting them early, and not have to deal with scalpers/flippers.

If you don't know about something and aren't able to get in on the initial offer, then you should have been reading the forum more closely.

I have to resign myself that by providing the forum I'm doing my part to fight evil.
 
That is an interesting point. However, I think that these limited edition collectibles are better seen as the tools of capitalism, rather than the fruits of capitalism, unless of course you mean that the ability to buy these expensive collectibles is only the result of the wealth that capitalism allows up to be able to afford, to enrich our lives, and in so far as that is concerned, they are fruits.
Yes, I do think that making too few of something is part of the problem, however, scalping just worsens it. I mean, if there were only 300 people who wanted something, and they all really wanted it badly, and scalpers came along and bought them first, then some or all of those 300 people would have to pay more for that item, even though no more than 300 people would ever want that thing, and so demand would never actually increase relative to supply. The supply was artificially manipulated by scalpers to bleed as much money out of other people as their blood sucking cunning would allow them to achieve. Were it not for the scalpers in this scenario, all of the 300 would only have to pay the original price.

In a perfect world, maybe. And these collectibles are often times the tools of capitalism. For instance, someone buys 2 of something with the intent of reselling 1 for a profit so they can buy other things. That is a tool of capitalism. You of all people should know what a tool is.

And the supply can never be artificially manipulated. In your example, there are 300 items...that number never changes, only the present supplier.
 
Money is just a tool, unless you are talking about rare coins or something.
It has no real value other than the things it can buy. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't represent power either. If a label is accurate and specific, I have no problem with it. I am in favor of exact definitions categorizations, and classifications for everything. It helps me to understand life.

Then you'll never understand life because there are no absolutes. No black, no white, only shades of gray.
 
Scalpers are evil.

But I've given up on trying to take them down. This forum exists so people can know about cool things and have a better opportunity of getting them early, and not have to deal with scalpers/flippers.

I have to resign myself that by providing the forum I'm doing my part to fight evil.

The Darklord fighting evil = oxymoron.:rotfl
 
Scalpers are evil.

But I've given up on trying to take them down. This forum exists so people can know about cool things and have a better opportunity of getting them early, and not have to deal with scalpers/flippers.

If you don't know about something and aren't able to get in on the initial offer, then you should have been reading the forum more closely.

I have to resign myself that by providing the forum I'm doing my part to fight evil.

My hero. :peace
 
Then you'll never understand life because there are no absolutes. No black, no white, only shades of gray.

No. Everything is black and white. Gray is just little black dots on a white background that only appears gray to the casual observer. If you look more closely, you will see that it is indeed a field made up of black and white. I know this because I analyze things deeply as I have always been a deep thinker. Most people don't bother questioning things the way I do. I ask what makes something tick? What makes something function ? What is a thing REALLY at the deepest possible level? What is it's meaning? Most people just look at things at an overall degree, and simply accept things as a package, with no intent to look deeper, or find any flaws, any SPECIFIC flaws about it that could be fixed. THAT would require looking deeply enough to see specific flaws within a system or any given situation, and thus see the little black dots on the white background. That would force people to face the challenge of actually fixing those flaws and removing those black dots. Most people don't have the passion, determination or the patience. They certainly don't have the idealism, because they have accepted too many of these black and white systems within themselves and called them part of their identity.

People see gray because they don't feel like fixing all of the problems that cause the black dots to make the field white again. Seeing things as gray is basically the result of lazy perceptive skills resulting from personal apathy at improving oneself, because change is always uncomfortable in the short term, and people are most interested in short term comfort.

Most people are interested in short term comfort most, because that is all they can really see, because accepting all of those little black dots into one's identity clouds one's vision from being able to see further. It is hard to see flaws when so many of those flaws are already in oneself that one has accepted as one's own identity, and it is difficult if not impossible to see past, or THROUGH those flaws, because they block or cloud one's vision, so one cannot see the long view, or rather, the broad view, particularly how one's actions affect the world around oneself, as one's actions tend to become egocentric, as one simply cannot see beyond oneself. One doesn't see anything beyond oneself as all that important, because basically one's vision or perception/senses are too reduced from being able to sense or really care about the well being of others, thus preventing empathy.
That is essentially where greed comes from.
 


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