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[Skiman]

Another member here. He talks alot like Blackthornone.

I haven't seen Teemu for awhile. Maybe the black helicopters got him.

MOTUC thread WE all grow stronger there

 

[Skiman]

Man this thread is something all right. I feel like I need a snifter of Brandy and a monocle.

 

[Kibishii]

Another member here. He talks alot like Blackthornone.

I haven't seen Teemu for awhile. Maybe the black helicopters got him.

The difference between Teemu and Blackthornone is that Teemu is a paranoid schizophrenic who listens to too much Rage Against the Machine and thinks another American Revolution is on the horizon. Blackthornone, on the other hand, thinks he is being productive with his incessant blathering that really accounts to nothing other than stirring crap up. Think about how much _____ing about flipping and scalping he has done and what has he accomplished other than more _____ing?

Teemu is crazy while Blackthorne one is just priggish and annoying.

 

[Commtech]

I understand love. I understand sacrificing. I cannot understand overvaluing an object or a thing. I would bankrupt myself a hundred times over to save the life of my wife or children. I would give every dollar I have, and every item I own. I would spend a lifetime in prison, or throw myself in front of a train or a bullet in their defense. These are irreplaceable, and are more valuable to me than my quality of life.

But, things are things. They're cool little bits of junk. They come and go. Some are nice to have, some would be nice to have, and some are worth spending on. None are worth actual love. Its stuff. I don't understand "loving" stuff. I don't understand sacrificing quality of life for stuff. That sounds a lot like greed to me.

Perhaps your problem with scalpers is that they're selling something you overvalue (stuff; collectibles) for something they overvalue (money). They see your passion as a tool for profit, just as you see their passion as a tool for acquisition.

SnakeDoc

Great post Doc! I would like to see Blackthornone reply to this idea about loving stuff.

 

[devilof76]

Scalpers are only free by law, but that may change someday. Scalpers need to pay taxes on their profits.
I am saying that there should be ethical parameters enforced, ie laws, determined by logic.

Civility gets hard to maintain when having a discussion with a fascist who sees the law as a means of forcing others to obey his personal conception of what is ethical. Even if your beliefs were logically derived (they aren't), you would have no right to do what you are suggesting. It is humanity's power of choice that makes morality necessary, and to hold a gun to a man's head, demanding he obey is not propagating morality; it is anti-moral, and makes moral action legally impossible.

You have professed the mentality of a dictator, not unlike any of the high-minded thugs of the past century who have corrupted the world economy to serve their own ego (a phenomenon which the past two years have served as a textbook example).

I ignore it because it doesn't fit my perception of how ANYONE should be treated, because I value ethics. Other people don't. Ethics are relative. Mine are higher. Mine are more ethical, because they are more absolute, and thus are truer ethics. Yes, my ethics prevent people from committing less ethical acts, which are practiced for the sake of economic gain, but I think that honor and ethics are more important than money.

If ethics are relative, how does the characteristic of absolutism make one system more ethical than another? Your scrambled reasoning aside (i.e., the total lack of logic in your grasp of morality), exactly what do you believe empowers you to unleash the rottweilers and blackshirts upon those who disagree with your admittedly subjective point of view? The fact that you believe you are right? And your faith in that fact is what legitimizes your desire to hold the power of coercion over people who buy limited edition collectibles for their own personal profit?

You honestly believe that the latter is evil, and that you are morally superior? If you do, I have some historic property in Birkenau, Poland I'd like to sell you.

Or people with the power of telekinesis.

Or people with so much slave labor at their disposal that later centuries were incapable of conceiving that the blocks could have possibly been stacked by any means other than brute domination. Of course, since Khufu had a higher ethics than those he ruled, it was most fair and just. Atleast, that's what he thought.

 

[woodsy]

Why does anyone bother with this nutcase? He's been spouting the same garbage since day one. It's pretty obvious he's got some serious problems, seeking attention being one of them. Best to just ignore him, eventually he'll go away.

 

[devilof76]

But what if he tries to run for President?

 

[woodsy]

But what if he tries to run for President?

Profits bad....Capitalism bad.....he already sounds like the President.

 

[shaka-zulu]

get a life loser..

Hehhehe...lol

 

[devilof76]

Profits bad....Capitalism bad.....he already sounds like the President.

Looks like my posts are too little, too late.

 

[Blackthornone]

I understand love. I understand sacrificing. I cannot understand overvaluing an object or a thing. I would bankrupt myself a hundred times over to save the life of my wife or children. I would give every dollar I have, and every item I own. I would spend a lifetime in prison, or throw myself in front of a train or a bullet in their defense. These are irreplaceable, and are more valuable to me than my quality of life.

But, things are things. They're cool little bits of junk. They come and go. Some are nice to have, some would be nice to have, and some are worth spending on. None are worth actual love. Its stuff. I don't understand "loving" stuff. I don't understand sacrificing quality of life for stuff. That sounds a lot like greed to me.

Perhaps your problem with scalpers is that they're selling something you overvalue (stuff; collectibles) for something they overvalue (money). They see your passion as a tool for profit, just as you see their passion as a tool for acquisition.

SnakeDoc

Perhaps appreciation for the artistic and inspirational values of a piece instead of raw financial gain would be a better phrase than love and passion perhaps. I am an artist, and I have to say that I put a lot of myself into my work. A lot of artists see their work as almost like their children. If you aren't an artist, you wouldn't understand. You obviously cannot truly appreciate any given piece as much as some artists can. To fully appreciate something, you must understand it, and to understand it, you have to understand what goes into making it. If you haven't ever actually done any artwork, or sculpting, you will never really understand or fully appreciate any given piece. Furthermore, often times, it is what things mean to you, or what they represent that gives them their value, such as sentimental value.
When people scalp collectibles or art, they devalue them to the level of mere commodities, and deny their true artistic merit, and they basically whore out the work of the artists who made them. SSC understands the value of the passion for art, and it is because they hold this in such high regard that they have limits of one per customer, so that as many people as possible can have them as affordably as possible, without having to pay extra for SCALPERS WHO HAD NO PART IN THE CREATIVE PROCESS AND THEREFORE DON"T DESERVE A DAMN DIME OF PROFIT FROM SAME. Scalpers are basically parasites that swoop in and profit from the labors of the artists who want people to appreciate their work and make a living doing so.

I think Darklord Dave understands what I mean. In fact, I think most artists would understand what I mean. I've given my work away just because people like it, because it makes them really happy. You, on the other hand, don't understand anything about that. You see, the fact that these collectibles are art basically sets them apart from other mere commodities.

Scalpers are simply not really entitled to profit from the great work of artists. Scalpers are the philistines of the collectibles hobby.
Art is little cool bits of junk? I think not!

 

[Blackthornone]

The difference between Teemu and Blackthornone is that Teemu is a paranoid schizophrenic who listens to too much Rage Against the Machine and thinks another American Revolution is on the horizon. Blackthornone, on the other hand, thinks he is being productive with his incessant blathering that really accounts to nothing other than stirring crap up. Think about how much _____ing about flipping and scalping he has done and what has he accomplished other than more _____ing?

Teemu is crazy while Blackthorne one is just priggish and annoying.

Socrates was the gadfly of Athens. I too like being the gadfly.

 

[Blackthornone]

Civility gets hard to maintain when having a discussion with a fascist who sees the law as a means of forcing others to obey his personal conception of what is ethical. Even if your beliefs were logically derived (they aren't), you would have no right to do what you are suggesting. It is humanity's power of choice that makes morality necessary, and to hold a gun to a man's head, demanding he obey is not propagating morality; it is anti-moral, and makes moral action legally impossible.

You have professed the mentality of a dictator, not unlike any of the high-minded thugs of the past century who have corrupted the world economy to serve their own ego (a phenomenon which the past two years have served as a textbook example).



If ethics are relative, how does the characteristic of absolutism make one system more ethical than another? Your scrambled reasoning aside (i.e., the total lack of logic in your grasp of morality), exactly what do you believe empowers you to unleash the rottweilers and blackshirts upon those who disagree with your admittedly subjective point of view? The fact that you believe you are right? And your faith in that fact is what legitimizes your desire to hold the power of coercion over people who buy limited edition collectibles for their own personal profit?

You honestly believe that the latter is evil, and that you are morally superior? If you do, I have some historic property in Birkenau, Poland I'd like to sell you.



Or people with so much slave labor at their disposal that later centuries were incapable of conceiving that the blocks could have possibly been stacked by any means other than brute domination. Of course, since Khufu had a higher ethics than those he ruled, it was most fair and just. Atleast, that's what he thought.

Isn't forcing others to believe or obey a conception of what is ethical what ALL laws do???

It isn't logical to buy something unless you want to keep it. It is indirect. Directness is always the most logical. People who buy things to keep are buying them out of the most direct and simple motivation. That trumps all others. It is ALWAYS the best reason to buy something.

If you want money, do something to earn it. That is the most direct way to earn money. It is also for that reason,among others, the most ethical. It is the most honest. Scalping is dishonest, because it is about buying a thing you don't want, in order to get something else.

As far as the Great Pyramid, there are no hieroglyphics, and the writing inside was forged by Egyptologists. Khufu didn't build it. It is fair to say that the Great Pyramid was not built by slave labor.

 

[devilof76]

Isn't forcing others to believe or obey a conception of what is ethical what ALL laws do???

It is what all totalitarian laws do. In a free society, laws protect the sovereignty of individuals from predators like yourself.

Socrates was the gadfly of Athens. I too like being the gadfly.

Except that none of what you say is even remotely original or thought inspiring. You're basically whining and inflating it into a soapbox for your own pompous, egomaniacal delusions.

 

[Blackthornone]

Except that none of what you say is even remotely original or thought inspiring. You're basically whining and inflating it into a soapbox for your own pompous, egomaniacal delusions.

As if SCALPING isn't done out of pompous maniacal motivations for profit without concern for others? That's the pot calling the kettle black. Scalpers act like they have the right to take advantage of others, and I say they don't, and you say I"M the pompous one? That's so wrong.

 

[Blackthornone]

It is what all totalitarian laws do. In a free society, laws protect the sovereignty of individuals from predators like yourself.



Except that none of what you say is even remotely original or thought inspiring. You're basically whining and inflating it into a soapbox for your own pompous, egomaniacal delusions.

I'm not a predator. Scalpers are. They prey on their fellow collectors. They are parasites. Let's get THAT straight.

 

[devilof76]

It isn't logical to buy something unless you want to keep it.

Yes it is.

It is indirect. Directness is always the most logical.

Logic is direct. The converse is not always true.

People who buy things to keep are buying them out of the most direct and simple motivation. That trumps all others. It is ALWAYS the best reason to buy something.

Perhaps, in your fascist utopia.

If you want money, do something to earn it.

Scalpers take the risk that they will not be able to profit from their purchase, and may well lose money. They also need to be able to afford it, and work, generally, is how they raise capital for an initial investment. Very few scalpers use flipping as their only source of income. If they are good enough that they can use the money they earned flipping previous items, all the more power to them.

That is the most direct way to earn money. It is also for that reason,among others, the most ethical. It is the most honest. Scalping is dishonest, because it is about buying a thing you don't want, in order to get something else.

Honesty is the acknowledgement that reality is absolute, and cannot be faked. You make no case at all for scalping being dishonest. If I acknowledge that the purchase of one thing will acquire a secondary thing that I desire, that is a straightforward and honest recognition of what is true and real, and dishonesty is absent from every step of the process.

As far as the Great Pyramid, there are no hieroglyphics, and the writing inside was forged by Egyptologists. Khufu didn't build it. It is fair to say that the Great Pyramid was not built by slave labor.

Little green men.

 

[devilof76]

I'm not a predator. Scalpers are. They prey on their fellow collectors. They are parasites. Let's get that straight.

You are advocating subjecting scalpers to fines and imprisonment because you couldn't get your precious art. You are advocating punishment to force them to involuntarily sacrifice the money they could earn so that you can have something you want, even though they got there first. You are willing to use physical force to take from another and give to yourself that which was not yours to begin with.

You are a predator, and a parasite, and I have that perfectly straight.

 

[devilof76]

As if SCALPING isn't done out of pompous maniacal motivations for profit without concern for others? That's the pot calling the kettle black. Scalpers act like they have the right to take advantage of others, and I say they don't, and you say I"M the pompous one? That's so wrong.

Concern for others does not make you moral. But from what I have read, it has made you pompous as hell. You have boasted that you are ethically, intellectually, and artistically superior to anyone who has disagreed with your opinions. When questioned, you explain how you know you're superior, and then use that as validation of your point of view. Argumentum ad verecundiam. It is the first informal fallacy they teach in introductory logic courses. Maybe you should take one.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Concern for others does not make you moral. But from what I have read, it has made you pompous as hell. You have boasted that you are ethically, intellectually, and artistically superior to anyone who has disagreed with yout opinions. When questioned, you explain how you know you're superior, and then use that as validation of your point of view. Argumentum ad verecundiam. It is the first informal fallacy they teach in introductory logic courses. Maybe you should take one.

Tell him man!!! After re-reading his first post in this thread with some of the ones in the later pages I have realized he reminds me of that one kid that sits in the front row of the classroom raising his hand and arguing with the professor after each statement they make.