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Perhaps appreciation for the artistic and inspirational values of a piece instead of raw financial gain would be a better phrase than love and passion perhaps. I am an artist, and I have to say that I put a lot of myself into my work. A lot of artists see their work as almost like their children. If you aren't an artist, you wouldn't understand. You obviously cannot truly appreciate any given piece as much as some artists can. To fully appreciate something, you must understand it, and to understand it, you have to understand what goes into making it. If you haven't ever actually done any artwork, or sculpting, you will never really understand or fully appreciate any given piece.

Good grief -- its an action figure, not Michaelangelo's Sistine ceiling. Get a grip, man. These aren't one-of-a-kind artistic endeavors, they're mass-produced retail consumer goods. IT ... IS ... A ... TOY ... an action figure ... a child's plaything!

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Furthermore, often times, it is what things mean to you, or what they represent that gives them their value, such as sentimental value.

I see little distinction between the love and acquisition of money, and the love and acquision of things (artistic or otherwise). I have things I value for sentimental reasons -- but there are reasonable limits to sentimental value. Sentimental overvaluing of an item can only be justified up to a point ... and that point is well before you'd be willing to bankrupt yourself to pay a ransom on the item.

When people scalp collectibles or art, they devalue them to the level of mere commodities, and deny their true artistic merit, and they basically whore out the work of the artists who made them. SSC understands the value of the passion for art, and it is because they hold this in such high regard that they have limits of one per customer, so that as many people as possible can have them as affordably as possible, without having to pay extra for SCALPERS WHO HAD NO PART IN THE CREATIVE PROCESS AND THEREFORE DON"T DESERVE A DAMN DIME OF PROFIT FROM SAME. Scalpers are basically parasites that swoop in and profit from the labors of the artists who want people to appreciate their work and make a living doing so.

They are commoditized/ devalued when they are reproduced and marketed at retail. They are produced for the purpose of being "whored out" for a proft.

These are artists that work for an action figure company ... they may want people to appreciate their work, but they'd rather them pay them for it. They're not doing art for the betterment of mankind, they're making well-sculpted toys for a paycheck. They (and Sideshow) want people to appreciate their work ... for $100 a pop. Their talent is undeniable -- but they fully expect their sculptures to be reproduced and sold at retail. They know the name of the game.

Scalpers help finance the whole operation by buying up the "art". They pay the going retail rate and accept the risk that the items will lose value. If Sideshow wants to make that money and accept that risk, they should raise the prices to market-rate. If Sideshow sold at the prices the market would support, scalping wouldn't be profitable. Scalping is caused by under-pricing at retail.

I think Darklord Dave understands what I mean. In fact, I think most artists would understand what I mean. I've given my work away just because people like it, because it makes them really happy. You, on the other hand, don't understand anything about that. You see, the fact that these collectibles are art basically sets them apart from other mere commodities.

For the record, I think most "artists" overvalue their contribution to society. Very few are truly indelible. Most end up making toys (or something).

It is a worthwhile hobby for many, a living for some, and a contribution to mankind for very few. If it brings you joy, that's all well and good .. more power to you. If it makes you a living, even better ... get 'er done! These are all extremely talented individuals, and deserving of respect. But, lets not speak as if action figures are comparable to truly great art. They're made for retail sale, and for the express and sole purpose of making a profit (for the artist, and the company). Unprofitable licenses, no matter how much the artists "love" them, are abandoned.

It is a business to its core. Scalpers just seize an opportunity to get in on the fun by buying an underpriced good in bulk, and selling at market value. Ending the practice is as simple as raising prices to market rate.

Scalpers are simply not really entitled to profit from the great work of artists. Scalpers are the philistines of the collectibles hobby. Art is little cool bits of junk? I think not!

Not all art falls into the category of a cool little bit of junk -- but, most does. I wouldn't bankrupt myself or my family for a truly irreplaceable piece of art ... much less a mass-produced toy. I suppose I just don't value things as much as you seem to.

SnakeDoc
 
:rock :rock Tell him man!!! After re-reading his first post in this thread with some of the ones in the later pages I have realized he reminds me of that one kid that sits in the front row of the classroom raising his hand and arguing with the professor after each statement they make.

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It's apparent that no logic or reasoning, no matter how sound is going to change your ridiculous belief system.

I dont even need to post this because 99% of the people here already know what a fascist and pompous D-bag you are with your high and mighty 'ethical' approach...:rolleyes:

BUt just since im bored and having a few brews i'll post it.

I've done more for people on forums than you have ever done. I've helped countless people out by selling them things at cost or just a tad above cost to make back what I paid plus shipping and fees etc. This is here, rebelscum, rpf, and statueforum. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO HELP ANOTHER COLLECTOR OUT? NOTHING.

All you do is come here and spew your bullsht about how flippers are evil and how every flipper must be rolling in profits etc etc etc. your ignorance is only one sided. You think flipping is so easy, i'd love to see you try your hand at it and be successful. First of all, it DOES take money to buy things, not to mention multiples of something. Secondly, less than 10% of anything bought has potential to raise a profit. Ive bought just as many items that i lost money on and just as many that ive made money on. Your approach seems to be that any item a flipper touches turns to gold.

And as far as your stance on conern for others. I have a few people here who i actually consider friends, but everyone else is just an acquaintance. Youre going to sit there on your high horse and honestly tell me that you actually CARE for people (strangers) here to sell them things below what they are worth? give me a break, that is the biggest crock of ____. There have been members of this forum who have hit rough times, I dont see you coming to their aid to help them with some financial relief. now all of a sudden your high horse doesnt seem to high after all. you're just all talk and an attention whore.

Nash, you need to learn how to persuade and coarse your opinions because I still don't like BJ Penn :D
 
It's apparent that no logic or reasoning, no matter how sound is going to change your ridiculous belief system.

I dont even need to post this because 99% of the people here already know what a fascist and pompous D-bag you are with your high and mighty 'ethical' approach...:rolleyes:

BUt just since im bored and having a few brews i'll post it.

I've done more for people on forums than you have ever done. I've helped countless people out by selling them things at cost or just a tad above cost to make back what I paid plus shipping and fees etc. This is here, rebelscum, rpf, and statueforum. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO HELP ANOTHER COLLECTOR OUT? NOTHING.

All you do is come here and spew your bullsht about how flippers are evil and how every flipper must be rolling in profits etc etc etc. your ignorance is only one sided. You think flipping is so easy, i'd love to see you try your hand at it and be successful. First of all, it DOES take money to buy things, not to mention multiples of something. Secondly, less than 10% of anything bought has potential to raise a profit. Ive bought just as many items that i lost money on and just as many that ive made money on. Your approach seems to be that any item a flipper touches turns to gold.

And as far as your stance on conern for others. I have a few people here who i actually consider friends, but everyone else is just an acquaintance. Youre going to sit there on your high horse and honestly tell me that you actually CARE for people (strangers) here to sell them things below what they are worth? give me a break, that is the biggest crock of ____. There have been members of this forum who have hit rough times, I dont see you coming to their aid to help them with some financial relief. now all of a sudden your high horse doesnt seem to high after all. you're just all talk and an attention whore.

:lecture:lecture:lecture

Sometimes ya gotta get down and dirty to get your point across.


Somebody musta missed out on a toy.

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Classic!
 
It is better than the meeting of the complainers thread which is like 75% of the threads on here. At least this thread for the most part had some good, honest, friendly debate.

but I don't like know it alls..... this is why I hated being smart in school or college, everyone in the class is this way. I would just go to the back keep my mouth shut and just laugh on the inside....
 
but I don't like know it alls..... this is why I hated being smart in school or college, everyone in the class is this way. I would just go to the back keep my mouth shut and just laugh on the inside....

I would say keeping your mouth shut was pretty stupid.

I actually read Nash's post word for word.

So did I.
 
but I don't like know it alls..... this is why I hated being smart in school or college, everyone in the class is this way. I would just go to the back keep my mouth shut and just laugh on the inside....

It was always fun to be the quiet guy in a class full of pretentious gas-bags who are more interested in being seen/ heard than doing anything worthwhile.

Its even better to have them ask who the guy was who screwed up the curve. Haha.

SnakeDoc
 
It was always fun to be the quiet guy in a class full of pretentious gas-bags who are more interested in being seen/ heard than doing anything worthwhile.

Its even better to have them ask who the guy was who screwed up the curve. Haha.

SnakeDoc

But at the same time it is fun to be the quiet guy who then randomly rocks faces off. That was me but now I am more vocal in the work place with thoughts and ideas. I find actually talking and getting your point across gets you farther.
 
Fist off, "scalping" makes my peepee maker tingle.

Second, it's actually helped pay for a lot of stuff with school... books, new laptop, etc.

Third, it's allowed me to collect this stuff at a very small fraction of the price that I would pay without it.When you combine "scalping" and the multiple online discount programs, you can actually make a decent amount of extra $$$.
 
man this thread spun out of control from just yesterday where i thought it could have been a decent philosophical discussion.
 
But at the same time it is fun to be the quiet guy who then randomly rocks faces off. That was me but now I am more vocal in the work place with thoughts and ideas. I find actually talking and getting your point across gets you farther.

Results are usually more important than rhetoric ... but its true that you've gotta be able to bodyslam someone when they have it coming. You've just gotta pick your moment. I do more debating now than I used to -- law school will do that to you.

SnakeDoc
 
Results are usually more important than rhetoric ... but its true that you've gotta be able to bodyslam someone when they have it coming. You've just gotta pick your moment. I do more debating now than I used to -- law school will do that to you.

SnakeDoc

Haha, I liked your use of bodyslam, nice!

My debating...or some might call it arguing just runs in my family.
 
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