Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Nope, that's why I buy VIP tickets... I'm too old for that $#%@, now. Not only is it a legal nightmare, but I'm worried about getting arthritis in my hands, from fractures etc. It'll catch up to me, eventually. I don't talk about fighting very often, but today on this forum, and over the last two days in general it keeps coming up. Seasonal depression? I dunno.

I don't like fighting, but feel as though people are shamed into pacification. There's a stigma of "meat-headedness" or "toxic masculinity" surrounding the desire to become proficient in self-defense, which if we're being honest, is the art of hurting people. Meanwhile, police can't help you when you're being assaulted, unless you're lucky enough to find one within screaming distance. It only takes a single incident to have a serious affect on your psyche and/or your health, so I'm an advocate of learning self-defense. All my nephews and nieces are learning self-defense from a young age.

Yeah the fighting had worked its way into quite a few of your posts. It seemed to be recurring theme . Guess it was just reminiscing about the ‘good times’

Honestly if I could redo my life I’d definitely learn some form of fighting younger. I was thinking about starting it now in fact, it crossed my mind quite a bit last year. Just have no clue where to look as a lot of the instructors are quite poor.

Good on your younguns all learning it though. Don’t think it’s toxic if it’s done for the right reasons. The buddhists would probably agree.

Also you responded to a post of mine while the feminism discussion was going on quite a few days ago, but the TLJ thread grew by 50 pages in the meantime. I was saying how I believe in feminism up to equality and you said all feminism has issues and gave an example of kids getting candy for being molested lol, I got it, but it just sounds funny out of context) I’m bringing it up here as this thread isn’t growing at all.

Anyway, what I meant is that I believe in it up to voters right, being able to work the same jobs provided one is proficient, being able to dress as you wish. For example, what’s going on in Iran right now, I agree with that feminism. Past that, I think one must earn whatever it is they want in life. I recall the story of some lady in NY who wanted to be a firefighter, she couldn’t clear the physical course in the time required, I think 22min vs the 16 that was the standard? They lowered the standard and passed her anyway. You wouldn’t want her to be the one coming for you or your loved ones in an emergency.

Pay should also be based on proficiency. And if you really want to be treated differently, let the men be whoever or whatever they want to be as well, which is a double standard I always see in real life.

TL;DR version: ******* be cray.

To remain relevant to the thread: no matter how good this movie surprisingly may be I will not see it in the theatre.

 

[klwn]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Kristian Harloff is super pessimistic when it comes to the Solo movie, even more than I am actually (12:30):

 

[Spazz]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Also you responded to a post of mine while the feminism discussion was going on quite a few days ago, but the TLJ thread grew by 50 pages in the meantime. I was saying how I believe in feminism up to equality and you said all feminism has issues and gave an example of kids getting candy for being molested lol, I got it, but it just sounds funny out of context) I’m bringing it up here as this thread isn’t growing at all.

Anyway, what I meant is that I believe in it up to voters right, being able to work the same jobs provided one is proficient, being able to dress as you wish. For example, what’s going on in Iran right now, I agree with that feminism. Past that, I think one must earn whatever it is they want in life. I recall the story of some lady in NY who wanted to be a firefighter, she couldn’t clear the physical course in the time required, I think 22min vs the 16 that was the standard? They lowered the standard and passed her anyway. You wouldn’t want her to be the one coming for you or your loved ones in an emergency.

Pay should also be based on proficiency. And if you really want to be treated differently, let the men be whoever or whatever they want to be as well, which is a double standard I always see in real life.

TL;DR version: ******* be cray.

To remain relevant to the thread: no matter how good this movie surprisingly may be I will not see it in the theatre.

Each form of Feminism was irrational, in its approach to combating bigotry toward women. I'm all for combating bigotry toward women, but ideology is often similar to "pork barrel bills" passed by the senate: ideologues try to sneak things into their ethos, in hopes it'll get past you.

First wave feminism claimed it was liberating women by granting them "human status" so that they could vote, which inadvertently legitimized representative democracy. That's a problem, if you don't like representative democracy. I sure don't.

Second wave feminism claimed it was liberating women from dependency on men, by advocating for their equal participation in the work force. That's a problem, if you don't like being a servant. I sure don't.

Third wave feminism claims that it's liberating women from the tyranny of patriarchal concepts like logic, reason and science. That's a problem if you think people have a burden of proof regarding falsifiable evidence, in making claims about the world. I sure do.

So unfortunately, while I dislike bigotry toward women and know that a woman's *** has no intrinsic relevance to her character beyond whatever cultural nonsense one is indoctrinated to believe, I still can't get behind feminism. The ideology attempts to legitimize subjective, and in my opinion detrimental forms of social organization as being "justice".

The Star Wars movies are becoming problematic, because they are an emotional appeal in advocating for an ideology that has too much nonsense tethered to it.

 

[Spazz]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Honestly if I could redo my life I’d definitely learn some form of fighting younger. I was thinking about starting it now in fact, it crossed my mind quite a bit last year. Just have no clue where to look as a lot of the instructors are quite poor.

For practical self defense I'd recommend a combination of Muay Thai and Judo. Judo is great exercise, and is practical in trying to avoid having to seriously hurt someone. You learn how to throw people around, using their own limbs, clothing and momentum. For striking, learn Muay Thai because you want to be able to use your knees and elbows in a fight. Alot of people recommend Brazilian jiu-jitsu because they watch too much MMA. While it's good exercise, I wouldn't want to roll around with people if I had an altercation, especially if they have friends near bye. Judo is equally good exercise, and in my opinion more practical. It's just not as useful if you're fighting competitively, practically naked, sweating and on mats. Clothed in a street fight, Judo is much better than Jiu-Jitsu.

And that will officially be the last time I talk about fighting for the next several months.

However, it's relevant to the conversation about the Star Wars franchise and Feminism. Wanting to dominate people, and practicing harming others is often seen as part of "toxic" cultural norms regarding our gender. I disagree. I said this in another thread, but the reason why men often bury their emotions, is because our society sends men to do the things that require burying. We turn the art of harming others into a sport, so that we can enjoy comradery in dealing with part of life that otherwise would be entirely unpleasant. We turn it into exercise, a social gathering and a pro-social way of looking out for each other, as "anti-bullying".

 

[loki2371]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So, its official.... Disney has now also felt the need to change the most iconic ship in SW......

The Millenium Falcon from Solo :

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The Kessel Run Millennium Falcon

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[greedo737]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

And the

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Kessel Run

happens in this film. Who didn’t see that coming?

 

[crows]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Disney promoting

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drug smuggling?

well they alrady promote kamikaze attacks by the heroes, so, why not

 

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So, its official.... Disney has now also felt the need to change the most iconic ship in SW......

The Millenium Falcon from Solo :

Spoiler

The Kessel Run Millennium Falcon

View attachment 385547

So the art Disney was saying is fake... clearly is not fake..

What’s the sense in denying it in the first place then?

Each form of Feminism was irrational, in its approach to combating bigotry toward women. I'm all for combating bigotry toward women, but ideology is often similar to "pork barrel bills" passed by the senate: ideologues try to sneak things into their ethos, in hopes it'll get past you.

First wave feminism claimed it was liberating women by granting them "human status" so that they could vote, which inadvertently legitimized representative democracy. That's a problem, if you don't like representative democracy. I sure don't.

Second wave feminism claimed it was liberating women from dependency on men, by advocating for their equal participation in the work force. That's a problem, if you don't like being a servant. I sure don't.

Third wave feminism claims that it's liberating women from the tyranny of patriarchal concepts like logic, reason and science. That's a problem if you think people have a burden of proof regarding falsifiable evidence, in making claims about the world. I sure do.

So unfortunately, while I dislike bigotry toward women and know that a woman's *** has no intrinsic relevance to her character beyond whatever cultural nonsense one is indoctrinated to believe, I still can't get behind feminism. The ideology attempts to legitimize subjective, and in my opinion detrimental forms of social organization as being "justice".

The Star Wars movies are becoming problematic, because they are an emotional appeal in advocating for an ideology that has too much nonsense tethered to it.

Well you’re not going to get an argument from me because... I agree with every single thing you said

It’s true.. all of it.

Especially the 2nd and 3rd points. I agree with the first one too, a direct democracy would be much preferable.. but how would you go about solving the problem of the base equal rights I mentioned? Or would you tell the women to take a knee for the greater good?

On a (sort of) related note, I found the ‘day without women’ they had in the US last year quite amusing. People were quite proud of it. Imagine their shock if they ever should do the opposite, as everything comes to a grinding halt...

For practical self defense I'd recommend a combination of Muay Thai and Judo. Judo is great exercise, and is practical in trying to avoid having to seriously hurt someone. You learn how to throw people around, using their own limbs, clothing and momentum. For striking, learn Muay Thai because you want to be able to use your knees and elbows in a fight. Alot of people recommend Brazilian jiu-jitsu because they watch too much MMA. While it's good exercise, I wouldn't want to roll around with people if I had an altercation, especially if they have friends near bye. Judo is equally good exercise, and in my opinion more practical. It's just not as useful if you're fighting competitively, practically naked, sweating and on mats. Clothed in a street fight, Judo is much better than Jiu-Jitsu.

And that will officially be the last time I talk about fighting for the next several months.

However, it's relevant to the conversation about the Star Wars franchise and Feminism. Wanting to dominate people, and practicing harming others is often seen as part of "toxic" cultural norms regarding our gender. I disagree. I said this in another thread, but the reason why men often bury their emotions, is because our society sends men to do the things that require burying. We turn the art of harming others into a sport, so that we can enjoy comradery in dealing with part of life that otherwise would be entirely unpleasant. We turn it into exercise, a social gathering and a pro-social way of looking out for each other, as "anti-bullying".

Yeah Jiu-jitsu may be effective but I have 0 interest in rolling around with another dude. A swift kick to the head, or using their own force against them are much preferable.

Perhaps I will take a look into judo then, I have been seriously contemplating it. It was between judo, kick boxing, and ‘Kung fu’ anyway.

As for you not talking about the fighting... we will see...

 

[klwn]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So the art Disney was saying is fake... clearly is not fake..

What’s the sense in denying it in the first place then?

Complete idiots

If it's part of the artwork for upcoming toys, the dumbest thing is to say it's fake when it's not.
Toy pictures are usually the first major thing to leak months before the movie comes out so it's going to be seen sooner than later.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think the Falcon looks pretty good. Changes doesn’t always = bad. I like the blue. Feels like that’s what Lando’s Falcon would look like.

 

[klwn]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think the Falcon looks pretty good. Changes doesn’t always = bad. I like the blue. Feels like that’s what Lando’s Falcon would look like.

Yes it's nice to see a fresh look, and doesn't change anything about the classic look since this comes before ANH.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

A trailer would be great Kathy.

 

[Spazz]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

... a direct democracy would be much preferable.. but how would you go about solving the problem of the base equal rights I mentioned? Or would you tell the women to take a knee for the greater good?

I have an answer to that question, but I'm not sure if I can thoroughly answer without offending the mod. I'll keep it relevant to the Star Wars franchise, and keep it as short as possible.

The short answer is, I don't believe in natural rights or justice, because there is no blueprint for how we 'ought' to organize ourselves. Justice doesn't exist. If we share compassion (want each other's well being), I think the best way to bring that about is to get out of each other's way. How do you do that, in a world where everyone has different, unique subjective priorities? My vague answer would be pluralism, in a system where everyone has access to resources they can produce with, where they can organize on their own terms with like-minded people.

Rights presume some sort of "right-giver" who has jurisdiction over me. I don't acknowledge anyone's authority in that regard. I don't have a "right" to free speech, because I don't recognize anyone's authority to stop me from saying what I want. They can coerce me, but they have no legitimate authority over me, as far as I'm concerned.

In a free system, there would be no rights. Instead, I prefer contracts. In that sense, there are more aspects of capitalism that I like than socialism, with the exception of an egalitarian distribution of primary resources.

In the original trilogy, there was a sense that Han and Luke could join the resistance, and bail when they see fit. If they had to go to Degobah or to pay back Jabba, that was up to them. In the new trilogy, if you leave the way Finn attempted to, you're a deserter. If you question authority, demanding answers before risking your life in contributing to the group, you're shirking your responsibilities as a subordinate. There is an authoritarian streak beneath the egalitarian subtext of that film. The authoritarianism is justified in the name of equality, legitimized by strong women who, we're to presume, shouldn't be undermined because it's a sign of sexism or "toxic masculinity".

I want to avoid that sort of authoritarianism myself. Thing is, I'm not an idealist and realize some people crave authority. Who am I to tell them what to do? Hence the need for pluralism, more so than what we have now. As production becomes increasingly automated over the next decade, I'm hoping these issues will become increasingly relevant and we start having a discussion about social experimentation.

 

[Spazz]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

TLJ doesn't advocate feminism. It merely demonstrates the idea failing in practice, before finally opting for a system of meritocracy.
Solo is more in the classic era, so we might see something against drugs and slavery taking centre stage.

Say whaaaaat?! You're going to have a hard time reconciling your meritocracy thesis with the Space Vegas subplot. That was as egalitarian as movie propaganda gets. Did those downtrodden slaves deserve their position in light of meritocracy? Or are we to believe that inequality can't be justified, irrespective of whatever merits the ruling class had?

 

[Spazz]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Within the Resistance leadership. They tried, it failed. Poe's given command, because he's the best choice out of the Resistance members left alive.

Luke was required to save them as well.

The film doesn't speak very highly of feminism as a workable ideology. It ends displaying the need for co-operation of both genders.

Are we to believe that Poe should have followed Vice Admiral Holdo's orders, or did Johnson intend for Poe's mutiny to appear justifiable?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I want that Han back. He didn't give a ****.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I want that Han back. He didn't give a ****.

If its not that I don't give a ***k Han, then odds are that Disney will have another TLJ type of ***ked up movie again

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

In the original trilogy, there was a sense that Han and Luke could join the resistance, and bail when they see fit. If they had to go to Degobah or to pay back Jabba, that was up to them. In the new trilogy, if you leave the way Finn attempted to, you're a deserter. If you question authority, demanding answers before risking your life in contributing to the group, you're shirking your responsibilities as a subordinate. There is an authoritarian streak beneath the egalitarian subtext of that film. The authoritarianism is justified in the name of equality, legitimized by strong women who, we're to presume, shouldn't be undermined because it's a sign of sexism or "toxic masculinity".

 

[loki2371]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think the Falcon looks pretty good. Changes doesn’t always = bad. I like the blue. Feels like that’s what Lando’s Falcon would look like.

I think it looks ok too, and yes change isn't always bad, but the problem is Disney once again screwing with continuity.

The problem is this version is called the Kessel Run Millennium Falcon, which means it has already been modified by Solo from it's original look.. So does that mean they're will be 2 different looking Falcons in Solo? What it looks like when he wins it from Lando, then this version? If this is what it looks like when it made the record time, why did he change it even more?? Is it even faster now after more mods? Why didn't he make the Kessel Run again to break even his own record?? Why didn't it continue to change over the 30 years between ROTJ & TFA? At what point did he stop modifying it and why??

The change just makes fans ask to many questions.....

Lot's of muscle cars are modded for speed but still look original. If he's a Smuggler, and his ship is a freighter, doesn't he want to look like every other freighter in the galaxy and not stand out?? That's what the prohibition smugglers did in the 1920's when they modded cars for speed and didn't alter looks. They want to blend in, not have the police looking for that one unique vehicle.

Whatever.... TLJ has left such bad taste in my mouth, that I know question everything Disney is doing.... They clearly think they can make Star wars their own and want fans to slowly forget the Lucas OT by Disneyfying everything..

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Regarding the Falcon, that might be stock, it might be used by the Corellian government or forces and blue may be their calling card. Myabe Lando stole it from them and Han is deemed to go find it.

I would not be surprised if there is 2 different falcons in the flick. That also may be the "racing" version of the Falcon for the Kessel, and Blue may be Solo's color.