Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Wor-Gar]

Had GL had his unfettered way, OT would have turned out differently, and possible as bad as PT.

The benefit of tight budget, producer and studio influence....

George has always been a super nerd, and if you give a super nerd total unregulated control, you get PT....

If you give tons of cash and no one with good world building you get ST,

There is great truth in this.

Both the filmmaking heroes of our age -- Lucas and Spielberg -- benefitted greatly from having their true visions (for Star Wars and Jaws) tempered by restraints... forcing them to be more ingenious then they may have intended left to their own devices.

 

[Prime Clone]

If the Whills had been guiding Force-sensitive characters throughout GL's saga, then would the Whills have been compelling Leia to kiss her brother like that? If so, some of these microbiotic little guys might just be creepy pervs!

Their galaxy has different forces of "nature"!

 

[Wor-Gar]

What was the last year that a Star Wars movie wasn't #1?

Solo will be lucky to get #3 (after IW and Incredibles 2)

 

[Khev]

What was the last year that a Star Wars movie wasn't #1?

Live-action would be 2002 with AOTC coming in #3 behind Spider-Man and The Two Towers.

Solo will be lucky to get #3 (after IW and Incredibles 2)

Solo has no chance of cracking the current Top 3 of IW, BP, and DP2. Then Incredibles 2 and JW2 (and whatever else) will push it down even further.

Still though no film franchise in history has ever had the #1 movie three years in a row like what Kennedy/LFL just accomplished with TFA/RO/TLJ. Not the MCU, LOTR, Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight, none of them.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Live-action would be 2002 with AOTC coming in #3 behind Spider-Man and The Two Towers.

Solo has no chance of cracking the current Top 3 of IW, BP, and DP2. Then Incredibles 2 and JW2 (and whatever else) will push it down even further.

Still though no film franchise in history has ever had the #1 movie three years in a row like what Kennedy/LFL just accomplished with TFA/RO/TLJ. Not the MCU, LOTR, Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight, none of them.

Solo worse than AOTC...? I think not. Too bad.

I forgot about BP. Yeah, Solo will be lucky to get into the Top 10 at this point.


Regarding franchises, it really wasn't until relatively recently that any franchise could have had the chance of being #1 for three years running -- since they didn't make sequels a yearly event until LOTR in 2001 (not counting BTTF 2+3). And more recently, the broad scope of the MCU doesn't really count -- I mean its the same universe but really its the Iron Man trilogy, the Thor trilogy, the Cap trilogy, etc. Now, with Disney, Star Wars finally had its chance to be #1 for three years.

I guess that gives Cameron a target to aim for with Avatar 2, 3, 4 and 5...

 

[Khev]

And more recently, the broad scope of the MCU doesn't really count -- I mean its the same universe but really its the Iron Man trilogy, the Thor trilogy, the Cap trilogy, etc. Now, with Disney, Star Wars finally had its chance to be #1 for three years.

MCU films tend to connect better to each other chronologically than Solo did to Rogue One and besides regardless of how one film leads into another the mighty MCU just completed a decade of films and not once could they string two #1 films back to back let alone three.

 

[Wor-Gar]

MCU films tend to connect better to each other chronologically than Solo did to Rogue One and besides regardless of how one film leads into another the mighty MCU just completed a decade of films and not once could they string two #1 films back to back let alone three.

Which I'm surprised about. You'd think they would have the #1 film just about every year. Like the Lucas/Spielberg films of the early 80's.

And how the hell did American Sniper beat The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy for the top spot in 2014? I mean, what?

 

[Khev]

Worldwide is a different story though. Civil War played spoiler on a Star Wars three-peat by bumping out RO between TFA and TLJ.

No franchise has been #1 worldwide three years in a row but TTT/ROTK did it back to back in 2002/2003 and POTC 2 and 3 did it in 2006/2007. Like you said we'll see what happens when Cameron gets into the game with a bunch of back to back films.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Meh -- I don't count worldwide. I'm an America.

 

[Khev]

 

[TaliBane]

Still though no film franchise in history has ever had the #1 movie three years in a row like what Kennedy/LFL just accomplished with TFA/RO/TLJ. Not the MCU, LOTR, Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight, none of them.

Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run. First time was "finally, the continuation of the OT (with the same storyline)... starring the real Han Solo" second was "let's take the Delorean back into George Lucas' ANH" and the last one was "OT sequel to the highest grossing domestic film of all time starring the real Luke f'n Skywalker."

Given all the elements, you could have hired Kevin Smith and Michael Bay as co-directors and still earned the same - on all three.

From here on... very, very different situation. No Luke (in theory,) Han or Leia - OT mojo gone. ST momentum questionable. SW as a brand widely questioned in the media. If they can pull a #1 yearly grossing movie - even domestic - from here on (ie without Dad's cars) then people were wrong about KK. From here is where the true test begins.

My guess is they backpedal for Ep IX and back comes Luke with mechanical legs, Rey is suddenly 110% Skywalker, and another major OT character and/or core storyline enters the picture in a big way.

Yeah right, "SW for a new generation"... and the same 2/3's male, 2/3's average age 34 audience - the "neckbeards" (their neckbeard Jrs dragged along) - that made the other three into over-billion grossers will show up again to push it above a billion... again.

 

[Rorywan]

Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run. First time was "finally, the continuation of the OT (with the same storyline)... starring the real Han Solo" second was "let's take the Delorean back into George Lucas' ANH" and the last one was "OT sequel to the highest grossing domestic film of all time starring the real Luke f'n Skywalker."

Given all the elements, you could have hired Kevin Smith and Michael Bay as co-directors and still earned the same - on all three.

From here on... very, very different situation. No Luke (in theory,) Han or Leia - OT mojo gone. ST momentum questionable. SW as a brand widely questioned in the media. If they can pull a #1 yearly grossing movie - even domestic - from here on (ie without Dad's cars) then people were wrong about KK. From here is where the true test begins.

My guess is they backpedal for Ep IX and back comes Luke with mechanical legs, Rey is suddenly 110% Skywalker, and another major OT character and/or core storyline enters the picture in a big way.

Yeah right, "SW for a new generation"... and the same 2/3's male, 2/3's average age 34 audience - the "neckbeards" (their neckbeard Jrs dragged along) - that made the other three into over-billion grossers will show up again to push it above a billion... again.

Good post.

 

[Vitron5]

Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run. First time was "finally, the continuation of the OT (with the same storyline)... starring the real Han Solo" second was "let's take the Delorean back into George Lucas' ANH" and the last one was "OT sequel to the highest grossing domestic film of all time starring the real Luke f'n Skywalker."

Given all the elements, you could have hired Kevin Smith and Michael Bay as co-directors and still earned the same - on all three.

From here on... very, very different situation. No Luke (in theory,) Han or Leia - OT mojo gone. ST momentum questionable. SW as a brand widely questioned in the media. If they can pull a #1 yearly grossing movie - even domestic - from here on (ie without Dad's cars) then people were wrong about KK. From here is where the true test begins.

My guess is they backpedal for Ep IX and back comes Luke with mechanical legs, Rey is suddenly 110% Skywalker, and another major OT character and/or core storyline enters the picture in a big way.

Yeah right, "SW for a new generation"... and the same 2/3's male, 2/3's average age 34 audience - the "neckbeards" (their neckbeard Jrs dragged along) - that made the other three into over-billion grossers will show up again to push it above a billion... again.

Excellent post.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run. First time was "finally, the continuation of the OT (with the same storyline)... starring the real Han Solo" second was "let's take the Delorean back into George Lucas' ANH" and the last one was "OT sequel to the highest grossing domestic film of all time starring the real Luke f'n Skywalker."

Given all the elements, you could have hired Kevin Smith and Michael Bay as co-directors and still earned the same - on all three.

From here on... very, very different situation. No Luke (in theory,) Han or Leia - OT mojo gone. ST momentum questionable. SW as a brand widely questioned in the media. If they can pull a #1 yearly grossing movie - even domestic - from here on (ie without Dad's cars) then people were wrong about KK. From here is where the true test begins.

My guess is they backpedal for Ep IX and back comes Luke with mechanical legs, Rey is suddenly 110% Skywalker, and another major OT character and/or core storyline enters the picture in a big way.

Yeah right, "SW for a new generation"... and the same 2/3's male, 2/3's average age 34 audience - the "neckbeards" (their neckbeard Jrs dragged along) - that made the other three into over-billion grossers will show up again to push it above a billion... again.

Good post.

Excellent post.

No it’s really not a great post.

It’s written by someone who is either completely clueless about Lucasfilm or more than likely someone willingly choosing to just ignore reality so that it fits into their anti Disney Kennedy narrative.

Just in the first sentence alone Tali already contradicted his own message he’s trying to convey.

“Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run.”

How can you BORROW a car that YOU OWN?

Tali’s analogy only applies if Disney had brought in complete strangers to create SW and thrown LF into the garbage.

Not only is LF still creating Disney Wars but Lucas himself put Kennedy in charge.

Kennedy is a Lucas/Spielberg creation.

Disney didn’t even put a complete stranger in charge of LF they used a Lucas insider!

Disney Wars are being made by the SAME CREATIVE MINDS from the halls of Lucasfilm!

There is no borrowing a car here, SW might have Disney shareholders as the owners but you’re kidding yourself if you think Disney Wars is still not from the same group of people from Lucasfilm including Lucas himself STILL BEING INVOLVED BECAUSE KENNEDY SPEAKS TO HIM EVERY FREAKING DAY HE’S EVEN ON SET LOL!

See Tali when you continue to ignore history to create your case you will find that your reality has zero foundation to stand on.

If Kennedy were to leave SW and Disney moved AWAY from LF/Kennedy THEN that would be Disney finally borrowing the car and finally doing their OWN THING with SW!

Hell even if Disney gave it to Pixar that would STILL have Lucas hand print all over it lol

Did any Kennedy hater ever sit in a history class or what.

“Lucasfilm borrowed dad’s car” you have any idea how dum.....how silly that sounds.

I mean christ Lucas is a major shareholder!

 

[Khev]

No it’s really not a great post.

It’s written by someone who is either completely clueless about Lucasfilm or more than likely someone willingly choosing to just ignore reality so that it fits into their anti Disney Kennedy narrative.

Just in the first sentence alone Tali already contradicted his own message he’s trying to convey.

“Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run.”

How can you BORROW a car that YOU OWN?

Tali’s analogy only applies if Disney had brought in complete strangers to create SW and thrown LF into the garbage.

Not only is LF still creating Disney Wars but Lucas himself put Kennedy in charge.

Kennedy is a Lucas/Spielberg creation.

Disney didn’t even put a complete stranger in charge of LF they used a Lucas insider!

Disney Wars are being made by the SAME CREATIVE MINDS from the halls of Lucasfilm!

There is no borrowing a car here, SW might have Disney shareholders as the owners but you’re kidding yourself if you think Disney Wars is still not from the same group of people from Lucasfilm including Lucas himself STILL BEING INVOLVED BECAUSE KENNEDY SPEAKS TO HIM EVERY FREAKING DAY HE’S EVEN ON SET LOL!

See Tali when you continue to ignore history to create your case you will find that your reality has zero foundation to stand on.

If Kennedy were to leave SW and Disney moved AWAY from LF/Kennedy THEN that would be Disney finally borrowing the car and finally doing their OWN THING with SW!

Hell even if Disney gave it to Pixar that would STILL have Lucas hand print all over it lol

Did any Kennedy hater ever sit in a history class or what.

“Lucasfilm borrowed dad’s car” you have any idea how dum.....how silly that sounds.

Exactly and as I already pointed out the PT didn't even provide three #1 films when Daddy Lucas *was* driving the Ferrari.

AOTC: First time in history we see adult Anakin Skywalker in his prime, the legendary Clone Wars is finally put on film, Yoda unleashes all of his power, and we get to see a Boba Fett character use all the gadgets on his suit = #3 movie domestic.

RO: A bunch of no name characters in a battle that no one think needed to be shown = #1 domestic.

 

[jye4ever]

Exactly and as I already pointed out the PT didn't even provide three #1 films when Daddy Lucas *was* driving the Ferrari.

AOTC: First time in history we see adult Anakin Skywalker in his prime, the legendary Clone Wars is finally put on film, Yoda unleashes all of his power, and we get to see a Boba Fett character use all the gadgets on his suit = #3 movie domestic.

RO: A bunch of no name characters in a battle that no one think needed to be shown = #1 domestic.

Jesus Khev why do you have to be so savage like that lol

You mean a GL DIRECTED/WRITTEN/FINANCED SW MOVIE with all of those CRITICAL character moments didn’t make it to the # 1 spot!

See Khev you are a person who respects history before posting.

GET RID OF KENNEDY/RIAN FOR ALL I CARE BUT i’ve said it a million times already the Kennedy/Rian haters REFUSE to place blame where it belongs.

NOT ONLY do they refuse to place blame where it belongs they actually went out of their way to proclaim AOTC a masterpiece as their centerpiece for their anti Kennedy agenda! Holy crap that was actually part of their strategy in the TLJ thread.

HOW IS DOUG CHIANG BORROWING the SW car for the ST how long has he been with LF now!

Wait for it Khev wait for it....

You ready!

JOHN KNOLL BORROWED SW

Don’t worry Tali Lucas is used to SW being laughed at as much as he is it being loved and probably more so the former.

See while Wor-Gar and Jaws might hate the ST/Kennedy/Rian they at least respect history and don’t live in a fantasy land of how Kennedy alone ruined SW.

 

[Khev]

GET RID OF KENNEDY/RIAN FOR ALL I CARE BUT i’ve said it a million times already the Kennedy/Rian haters REFUSE to place blame where it belongs.

NOT ONLY do they refuse to place blame where it belongs they actually went out of their way to proclaim AOTC a masterpiece as their centerpiece for their anti Kennedy agenda! Holy crap that was actually part of their strategy in the TLJ thread.

Yeah I don't get why some people can't simply call things for what they are and just say "I personally only like the OT or the OT/PT and nothing else" without having to spin facts and stats to support a constant "anti-Kennedy" or "anti-anything new from SW" agenda.

I loved TLJ but have no problem acknowledging that if military tactics are your thing then it's pretty much the worst movie ever made, lol. And Lucas had some great ideas in the PT but the execution was just so poor on so many levels. And he alone took the previously untouchable SW Saga and showed that it can be beaten by other films and he alone turned it into this tarnished thing that still carries his baggage to this day. BUT he allowed Harmy to give the world the restored OT. AND he had the wherewithal to sell the franchise before writing those idiotic micro-adventures. So he has my respect as both a young filmmaker and aging CEO/ex-CEO. But what Kennedy has accomplished (even if I too would be fine with her leaving and definitely fine with Johnson leaving) is unprecedented.

*Even if* you subscribe to the silly notion that the LFL empire could simply run itself no matter who was in charge (which is patently absurd) we still got two awesome prequels on Kennedy's watch (vs. NONE on George's) and two smash successes (TFA and TLJ) that featured completely brand new characters in the primary roles with the OT cast simply supporting.

 

[Khev]

See while Wor-Gar and Jaws might hate the ST/Kennedy/Rian they at least respect history and don’t live in a fantasy land of how Kennedy alone ruined SW.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that JAWS (and possibly Wor-Gar as well) have evenly openly stated that for as much as they dislike the ST they'd still be fine with Kennedy sticking around because of how awesome RO and Solo alone were.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah I don't get why some people can't simply call things for what they are and just say "I personally only like the OT or the OT/PT and nothing else" without having to spin facts and stats to support a constant "anti-Kennedy" or "anti-anything new from SW" agenda.

I loved TLJ but have no problem acknowledging that if military tactics are your thing then it's pretty much the worst movie ever made, lol. And Lucas had some great ideas in the PT but the execution was just so poor on so many levels. And he alone took the previously untouchable SW Saga and showed that it can be beaten by other films and he alone turned it into this tarnished thing that still carries his baggage to this day. BUT he allowed Harmy to give the world the restored OT. AND he had the wherewithal to sell the franchise before writing those idiotic micro-adventures. So he has my respect as both a young filmmaker and aging CEO/ex-CEO. But what Kennedy has accomplished (even if I too would be fine with her leaving and definitely fine with Johnson leaving) is unprecedented.

*Even if* you subscribe to the silly notion that the LFL empire could simply run itself no matter who was in charge (which is patently absurd) we still got two awesome prequels on Kennedy's watch (vs. NONE on George's) and two smash successes (TFA and TLJ) that featured completely brand new characters in the primary roles with the OT cast simply supporting.

Insert Goldblum there it is gif. lol

Seriously is that so hard to comprehend.

It’s THAT freaking simple.

FACTS! Undeniable facts!

But no Khev instead lets choose to ignore facts and just call people soy bois instead.

 

[e30ernest]

You guys know where I stand with TLJ, but I would agree with Tali's overall point.

Episode IX is going to be the first of the ST to have to stand without the help of nostalgia. TFA was heavily fueled by nostalgia being the first SW film in over a decade, RO rode on the coat-tails of ANH (and was also fueled by massive fan-service at the third-act) and TLJ was again pushed by nostalgia. Episode IX will be the first of the ST not to benefit from any of these. It'll be the real test on the staying power of the new cast.

I hope it succeeds, I really do.