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Ummm Luke, Leia, Lando, Yoda, Chewie, C3PO and R2D2 are in IX!

Hell I bet even the ghosts of either Vader/ObiWan/Emperor/QuiGon are in IX probably even Han! :lol

What do mean it will “be the first of the ST to have to stand without the help of nostalgia”. :slap

sigh lol
 
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You guys know where I stand with TLJ, but I would agree with Tali's overall point.

Episode IX is going to be the first of the ST to have to stand without the help of nostalgia. TFA was heavily fueled by nostalgia being the first SW film in over a decade, RO rode on the coat-tails of ANH (and was also fueled by massive fan-service at the third-act) and TLJ was again pushed by nostalgia. Episode IX will be the first of the ST not to benefit from any of these. It'll be the real test on the staying power of the new cast.

I hope it succeeds, I really do.

That's all true (though I doubt we've seen the last of the OT cast and callbacks) but not really what we were discussing. The PT rode just as many highly desired/fan-service coattails and had George in charge and still couldn't accomplish what Kennedy did with her first three SW films.
 
That's all true (though I doubt we've seen the last of the OT cast and callbacks) but not really what we were discussing. The PT rode just as many highly desired/fan-service coattails and had George in charge and still couldn't accomplish what Kennedy did with her first three SW films.

Supposedly BDW is first up on set next month as per his request because of his concerns about his own well being.

If that set turns out to be the Falcon, doh!

I bet he’s just tired of the work out routine and wants to get it over and done with lol
 
I'll drink to that. :duff

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(Though RO had neither Lucas nor Kasdan and is still an OT quality film.)


That is true... But the PT and ST are very problematic and I just figured that was the solution :)
 
Supposedly BDW is first up on set next month as per his request because of his concerns about his own well being.

If that set turns out to be the Falcon, doh!

I bet he’s just tired of the work out routine and wants to get it over and done with lol

At least TLJ's galactic broadcast for help by Leia herself actually gives a decent reason for Lando to take up arms again.
 
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Man, in TFA Han Solo gets super-cool trailer-worthy entrance, the best jokes, badass blaster shots, emotional hands-on family sacrifice death....

That scene -

Rian Johnson: TRY TO DROOL IT INTO YOUR BEARD MORE!!!
 
:lol :lol

Even prequel Solo had a sweeter entrance with him hot-wiring the speeder and taking off.

(But I guess Luke will always get to hold ROTJ over Han since he was a badass from beginning to end in that film with Han pretty much bumbling his way through the entire movie.)
 
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My workday is always easier when Khev and jye show up before me.

:lol :lol

I just prefer to be critical of Kennedy in a manner that actually makes sense using history and facts and not from an immature silly foundation built on her actually being able to destroy my family and manhood lol (if that’s not a crows bait I don’t know what is lol)

ANH/ESB aren’t going anywhere.

I hope the alpha males on this forum don’t get too upset with me for also loving Predator 1 I know how much that movie means to them it’s like their safe space lol

At least TLJ's galactic broadcast for help by Leia herself actually gives a decent reason for Lando to take up arms again.

Damn that makes sense doesn’t it.

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Man, in TFA Han Solo gets super-cool trailer-worthy entrance, the best jokes, badass blaster shots, emotional hands-on family sacrifice death....

That scene -

Rian Johnson: TRY TO DROOL IT INTO YOUR BEARD MORE!!!

lulz

:lol :lol

Even prequel Solo had a sweeter entrance with him hot-wiring the speeder and taking off.

(But I guess Luke will always get to hold ROTJ over Han since he was a badass from beginning to end in that film with Han pretty much bumbling his way through the entire movie.)

Honestly so far I think Luke had the better arc in the ST than Han did.

Han’s death was meant to give more substance to Kylo/Luke/Leia/Rey journey so lets see how IX ultimately handles that narrative pursuit.
 
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I just prefer to be critical of Kennedy in a manner that actually makes sense using history and facts and not from an immature silly foundation built on her actually being able to destroy my family and manhood lol (if that’s not a crows bait I don’t know what is lol)

ANH/ESB aren’t going anywhere.

I hope the alpha males on this forum don’t get too upset with me for also loving Predator 1 I know how much that movie means to them it’s like their safe space lol

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Honestly so far I think Luke had the better arc in the ST than Han did.

Han’s death was meant to give more substance to Kylo/Luke/Leia/Rey journey so lets see how IX ultimately handles that narrative pursuit.

I'm totally pumped for Episode IX again and if the insane record sellouts for Celebration a full year in advance are any indication I can see there being a fair amount of hype for how this trilogy wraps up. Hopefully we get a couple spectacular deaths for Kylo and Hux and an awesome send-off with Luke's ghost or whatever. If Hayden doesn't show up then that will just be icing on the cake.

Oh and in other news Disney just filed the trademark for "Star Wars Detours" this week so after previously burying this monstrosity it appears that they are just going to release Seth Green's already completely 39 episodes on their new upcoming streaming service to pad subscriptions and recoup some of Solo's losses. Well done boycotters, well done, lol. :slap

 
I 100% believe you. And that pretty much perfectly encapsulates the two factions of SW fandom with regard to TLJ and George Lucas. There are those who accept Luke as a complex and flawed character vs. those who would rather he be perfect due to the little men buckled into tiny little pilot chairs inside his brain. I think it's a virtual impossibility that the two groups can ever really see eye to eye across such a divide and why debating the merits of the Saga with someone on the other side is the height of futility...

I still scratch my head about Fan hate of Midichlorians, I still like the idea. Than again as an atheist, I don give a s--t about the religious themes in Star Wars. So I wouldn't mind adding the whills on top of that.

My problem with the direction on TLJ is that Star Wars shouldn't have complex deep characters or story, it's a simple straight forward good guys vs. bad guys fantasy story. They tried something more complex with the Prequels (the senate) and that didn't end well. K.I.S.S.
Also think where the story and characters ended in ROTJ. The Empire is defeated, Vader redeemed (as much as he could be), Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, and Chewie lived up to being heroes, Everybody's smiling, happy ending.

The ST is Regression. The Empire is back for some reason (First Order, pfft) Han is back to smuggling and thinking only of himself, Leia is still fighting and struggling to keep the rebellion going, and Luke has become evil (just thinking he has to kill his nephew is evil) and a coward. And all those heroes ultimately end in sadness. Not how they should've been treated.

There's so many different ways they could've gone, New characters looking to the past to fight a new evil that are not clones of the Empire, the Emperor, or Vader, or even doing that EU idea that the Deathstars were actually built to stop a new prophesied threat, they don't have to stick strictly to the Yuuzhan Vong story, they can take the gist of the idea. Better yet, set it a hundred years after Jedi and do anything but ruin old characters or recycle the same story.
 
I still scratch my head about Fan hate of Midichlorians, I still like the idea. Than again as an atheist, I don give a s--t about the religious themes in Star Wars. So I wouldn't mind adding the whills on top of that.

My problem with the direction on TLJ is that Star Wars shouldn't have complex deep characters or story, it's a simple straight forward good guys vs. bad guys fantasy story. They tried something more complex with the Prequels (the senate) and that didn't end well. K.I.S.S.
Also think where the story and characters ended in ROTJ. The Empire is defeated, Vader redeemed (as much as he could be), Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, and Chewie lived up to being heroes, Everybody's smiling, happy ending.

The ST is Regression. The Empire is back for some reason (First Order, pfft) Han is back to smuggling and thinking only of himself, Leia is still fighting and struggling to keep the rebellion going, and Luke has become evil (just thinking he has to kill his nephew is evil) and a coward. And all those heroes ultimately end in sadness. Not how they should've been treated.

And this is just one of those "agree to disagree" moments from liking midichlorians to hating on all aspects of the ST. And while I definitely think your characterization of the events and characters of the ST (particularly Luke) are greatly amiss as I said before there's no point in debating it as we would just go round and round endlessly (like the Rebels and Empire apparently, I'll give you that as a valid strike against the ST. ;))

There's so many different ways they could've gone, New characters looking to the past to fight a new evil that are not clones of the Empire, the Emperor, or Vader, or even doing that EU idea that the Deathstars were actually built to stop a new prophesied threat, they don't have to stick strictly to the Yuuzhan Vong story, they can take the gist of the idea. Better yet, set it a hundred years after Jedi and do anything but ruin old characters or recycle the same story.

Agreed on the former, not so much the latter. If they had set the new films 100 years after ROTJ they very well could have made superior films but SW are more than films, they're experiences, and I wouldn't trade watching the OT cast in new movies together with my kids for anything.
 
Exactly and as I already pointed out the PT didn't even provide three #1 films when Daddy Lucas *was* driving the Ferrari.

AOTC: First time in history we see adult Anakin Skywalker in his prime, the legendary Clone Wars is finally put on film, Yoda unleashes all of his power, and we get to see a Boba Fett character use all the gadgets on his suit = #3 movie domestic.

RO: A bunch of no name characters in a battle that no one think needed to be shown = #1 domestic.

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How are the "ST/TLJ killed Star Wars" folks forgetting (or ignoring) this!? HOW!!??? :gah: Lucas' own PT got so horrifyingly bad that one of the episodic films failed to be the most watched film that year. I would have thought that to be impossible. Star Wars is notorious for being the easiest cash-grab cinematic franchise, yet the PT movies became such a joke that no amount of nostalgia or fan loyalty could lift AOTC ahead of a couple of other movies that same year. Again: Star Wars got so bad during the PT that it was a joke to many; and even diehards didn't want to see it anymore.

For further perspective, I went to boxofficemojo and set the adjust/inflation feature to 1977 dollars. Here's how the franchise breaks down.

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AOTC couldn't outperform a side story movie (Rogue One) that had no Luke, no Han, and essentially no Leia. If TLJ killed Star Wars, then it killed a carcass, because the PT (look at ROTS revenue too) fared worse. My guess is that Ep IX will fall somewhere between FA and TLJ, much like ROTJ did after ESB. More people will want to see a trilogy's concluding chapter. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly come back and admit it. Until then, I see no objective reason to believe that the ST (or just TLJ) has done SW more harm than the PT did. If anything, it's just the opposite.
 
Thanks for posting that ajp4mgs. It's interesting that the top three earners are all trilogy starters. Then ESB/TLJ were within striking distance of each other with AOTC and ROTS far behind their respective episodic counterparts.
 
I wonder if BDW will be onboard with fleshing out the new aspect of his character being pansexual in Episode 9?
 
Thanks for posting that ajp4mgs. It's interesting that the top three earners are all trilogy starters. Then ESB/TLJ were within striking distance of each other with AOTC and ROTS far behind their respective episodic counterparts.

No problem. Yeah, I think we can safely conclude that the opening act of these trilogies has the broadest appeal. And repeat viewings are probably strongest for the TPM and FA opening acts because there was a large number of years gone by without any new SW. Those repeat viewings for middle acts (even for ESB) dwindle because it wasn't so long since getting to see big-screen SW. Then the final act gets an uptick because people are anticipating big things; and maybe has better legs in terms of repeat viewings because people anticipate that there won't be more of this story to follow for a while (or at all after Ep IX).

The two biggest takeaways for me are 1.) Force Awakens hauling in that much, after the PT had eroded a lot of confidence in the franchise, borders on miraculous, and 2.) A New Hope was an absolutely phenomenal juggernaut. Considering how few screens it opened on, and how it had no pre-existing legacy to support itself on, the box office revenue is staggering. Even the SE re-release of ANH did far better than the arguably-superior ESB SE re-release. A New Hope was/is magic.

I still scratch my head about Fan hate of Midichlorians, I still like the idea. Than again as an atheist, I don give a s--t about the religious themes in Star Wars. So I wouldn't mind adding the whills on top of that.

My problem with the direction on TLJ is that Star Wars shouldn't have complex deep characters or story, it's a simple straight forward good guys vs. bad guys fantasy story. They tried something more complex with the Prequels (the senate) and that didn't end well. K.I.S.S.
Also think where the story and characters ended in ROTJ. The Empire is defeated, Vader redeemed (as much as he could be), Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, and Chewie lived up to being heroes, Everybody's smiling, happy ending.

The ST is Regression. The Empire is back for some reason (First Order, pfft) Han is back to smuggling and thinking only of himself, Leia is still fighting and struggling to keep the rebellion going, and Luke has become evil (just thinking he has to kill his nephew is evil) and a coward. And all those heroes ultimately end in sadness. Not how they should've been treated.

There's so many different ways they could've gone, New characters looking to the past to fight a new evil that are not clones of the Empire, the Emperor, or Vader, or even doing that EU idea that the Deathstars were actually built to stop a new prophesied threat, they don't have to stick strictly to the Yuuzhan Vong story, they can take the gist of the idea. Better yet, set it a hundred years after Jedi and do anything but ruin old characters or recycle the same story.

How was it that the Empire was "defeated" at the end of ROTJ? All they did was destroy a Death Star (for the second time), and the Emperor died. So what? Does that mean that an entire battalion of Star Destroyers, AT-ATs, TIE fighters, Stormtroopers, etc. all just . . . surrendered? Are we saying that the Imperial Army and Imperial leadership structure had no chain of command?

How often has a dictator been overthrown or killed without a fight to fill the void? Even as kid, I thought the heroes were happy at the end because the remaining fight just got a whole lot easier. Not that it was all over. I didn't assume that the Endor celebration meant that Luke, Leia, and Han had no struggles ahead of them. That would be preposterous. There was a ton of Imperial war machine and influence all over the place. Did you think the Empire worked like the battle droids at the end of TPM: when the command structure gets blown up, they just stop functioning altogether? There was a big celebration at the end of A New Hope too. But that didn't mean that the Empire had been defeated just because so much of its leadership got destroyed. In fact, not long after, the Rebellion was running for their collective lives again!

Yeah, the ST could have gone in a bunch of different directions. True. But even Lucas (as we've been learning lately) would have kept his own ST centered around Luke, Leia, and Han. That was the point of there being 9 parts of the one story. ROTJ ended with the trinity heroes in their 20's/30's. Were we really supposed to believe that they wouldn't face hardships after that? That their lives would just stay as happy as they were when we last see them with Ewoks humping their legs? In what world is that realistic? The fight between good and evil doesn't end. The good guys end up getting hurt a lot. I'm just thankful to have gotten to see the trinity again. Older, wiser, less naive, but still heroic (yes, even Luke). And fighting against what is a very believable extension of the Empire after the command of it was assumed by somebody else, and reshaped into the First Order (I don't care what comic books and novels might have to say as the "canon" for how the FO came to be). I want to see how this 9-part story ends, and I'm willing to bet that a whole bunch of other people will too.
 
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