Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Prime Clone]

I still scratch my head about Fan hate of Midichlorians, I still like the idea. Than again as an atheist, I don give a s--t about the religious themes in Star Wars. So I wouldn't mind adding the whills on top of that.

I hated it too at first, but am cool with it now. It helps that midichlorians are based on real-world science (mitochrondria).

Sure, we can choose to ignore the science, but let's face it, there's a scientific basis for everything (especially once you're talking about The Force running in families). And it makes sense the Jedi would use whatever science was available to identify recruits.

 

[YoNoSe]

That was my face after typing the question. LOL

Probably BDW’s too.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Wor-Gar]

It helps that midichlorians are based on real-world science (mitochrondria).

Except that mitochondria are not 'spiritual'.

 

[jye4ever]

Quiet down your mitochondria are trying to tell you something.

 

[Prime Clone]

Quiet down your mitochondria are trying to tell you something.

Precisely.

 

[Khev]

Quiet down your mitochondria are trying to tell you something.

Whatchu talkin' about Whillis.

 

[jye4ever]

My mitochondria just told me 3 things...

1. Incredibles 2 box office just paid off Disney’s loss on Solo
2. Kennedy ain’t going anywhere
3. Go team Khev Go lol

 

[jye4ever]

Whatchu talkin' about Whillis.

 

[Prime Clone]

Except that mitochondria are not 'spiritual'.

They do create energy tho.

 

[TaliBane]

No it’s really not a great post.

It’s written by someone who is either completely clueless about Lucasfilm or more than likely someone willingly choosing to just ignore reality so that it fits into their anti Disney Kennedy narrative.

Just in the first sentence alone Tali already contradicted his own message he’s trying to convey.

“Yeah but c'mon - Kennedy/LFL basically borrowed Dad's Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini and took them for a run.”

How can you BORROW a car that YOU OWN?

Tali’s analogy only applies if Disney had brought in complete strangers to create SW and thrown LF into the garbage.

Not only is LF still creating Disney Wars but Lucas himself put Kennedy in charge.

Kennedy is a Lucas/Spielberg creation.

Disney didn’t even put a complete stranger in charge of LF they used a Lucas insider!

Disney Wars are being made by the SAME CREATIVE MINDS from the halls of Lucasfilm!

There is no borrowing a car here, SW might have Disney shareholders as the owners but you’re kidding yourself if you think Disney Wars is still not from the same group of people from Lucasfilm including Lucas himself STILL BEING INVOLVED BECAUSE KENNEDY SPEAKS TO HIM EVERY FREAKING DAY HE’S EVEN ON SET LOL!

See Tali when you continue to ignore history to create your case you will find that your reality has zero foundation to stand on.

If Kennedy were to leave SW and Disney moved AWAY from LF/Kennedy THEN that would be Disney finally borrowing the car and finally doing their OWN THING with SW!

Hell even if Disney gave it to Pixar that would STILL have Lucas hand print all over it lol

Did any Kennedy hater ever sit in a history class or what.

“Lucasfilm borrowed dad’s car” you have any idea how dum.....how silly that sounds.

I mean christ Lucas is a major shareholder!

"No it’s really not a great post."

There's this thing. It's called an "analogy."

So, here's how it works... it doesn't literally mean... that KK and Disney... went over to GL's actual house... to literally borrow his cars. So them owning those cars, shareholding, it doesn't really play into an analogous example.

The point of the analogy is: they didn't create something even remotely (let alone wholly) new as RJ is now supposedly doing. They took the super-safe OT retread route with Girluke Skywalker (mystery box parents) vs Emo-th Vader/Emperor Snokatine and their Death Starplanet, and rolled in the return of HF's Han Solo. And they followed that up with "Back to the ANH Future" with Marty McSkywalker just out of view around the corner of every shot and a Vader with a CGI Crispin Glover face (OT Vader should have sued his fan-service doppleganger too.)

They strip mined OT appeal. Taking Dad's cars - that everyone obsessively LOVES - for another victory lap. Whether they were borrowed, owned or stolen. But most of that is gone now. Now is when the true test for KK and Disney comes (though I'm arguing it'll be more of the same - Luke with mechanical legs and Rey Skywalker.)

Exactly and as I already pointed out the PT didn't even provide three #1 films when Daddy Lucas *was* driving the Ferrari.

AOTC: First time in history we see adult Anakin Skywalker in his prime, the legendary Clone Wars is finally put on film, Yoda unleashes all of his power, and we get to see a Boba Fett character use all the gadgets on his suit = #3 movie domestic.

RO: A bunch of no name characters in a battle that no one think needed to be shown = #1 domestic.

I hate to trigger the Theta (we're far beyond even Beta) Male echo chamber here, but Khev you would recall our conversation where we confirmed AOTC's billion-plus adjusted worldwide gross? Adjusted, RO and AOTC in fact earned almost EXACTLY the same worldwide. In that case #1 or #3 ... it's like spreading out income into a different tax year. Same earnings, split or not.

And you would also recall how I mentioned how massively different the film distribution business was between 2002 and 2016, giving RO a massive advantage over a film from 15 years earlier? I mean do we ignore the fact that AOTC opened on ONE THOUSAND less screens than RO did? Or that AOTC earned $5m in China whereas RO earned $70m in China... primarily because there was about 1/10 the number of screens in 2002?

RO: A bunch of no name characters in a battle that no one think needed to be shown = #1 domestic.

Yup no-namers such as the freakin' ANH Death Star, Darth Vader himself, DV with lightsaber in action, Tarkin as a full CGI recreation in many scenes and a new scene with Leia digitally recreated exactly as she was in ANH... released just 10 days before CF's death in a Heath Ledger-eque coincidence.

Oh, and those other no-namers that SW fans wouldn't care about... OT TIEs, OT Star Destroyers, OT X-Wings, OT Massassi (and war room,) OT troopers and uniforms (not that ST junk) and iconic OT rebel pilots etc etc etc. - all pulled direct from ANH.

Oh but yes OT fans would MUCH rather see a whiny nobody playing a teen version of Humpty Dumpty from the ROTJ helmet reveal and Ewok Village vanilla force-ghost guy (and as the burning follow-up to whiny moppet kid in the same role.) Alongside a Gary-Coleman-as-Yoda puppet/CGI... and YES we finally get to see the event we hear about in passing and had no idea what it actually was... the Clone Wars (always hated that name, then it turned out it was literally clones)

C'mon...

 

[punisher1974]

Even prequel Solo had a sweeter entrance with him hot-wiring the speeder and taking off.

(But I guess Luke will always get to hold ROTJ over Han since he was a badass from beginning to end in that film with Han pretty much bumbling his way through the entire movie.)

True Khev but Han had hibernation sickness and never recovered from it.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah Tali how dare they put ANH characters and vehicles in a prequel movie that ends where ANH begins!

Dammit!

 

[screamingmetal]

And this is just one of those "agree to disagree" moments from liking midichlorians to hating on all aspects of the ST. And while I definitely think your characterization of the events and characters of the ST (particularly Luke) are greatly amiss as I said before there's no point in debating it as we would just go round and round endlessly (like the Rebels and Empire apparently, I'll give you that as a valid strike against the ST. )

Yeah, one of the reasons I've avoided further TLJ talk, it's just spinning wheels and going nowhere. So much animosity and complaining on both sides. I do get that Luke came through in the end, and I didn't hate Luke astral projecting or whatever it was, but I personally wish they didn't darken his character the way they did. Agree to disagree.

 

[screamingmetal]

I hated it too at first, but am cool with it now. It helps that midichlorians are based on real-world science (mitochrondria).

Sure, we can choose to ignore the science, but let's face it, there's a scientific basis for everything (especially once you're talking about The Force running in families). And it makes sense the Jedi would use whatever science was available to identify recruits.

The thing about the Medichlorians ( I misspell that word every time I type it), it can give an explanation for the Force that isn't spiritual (better term for it) that there are those that believe there's a scientific explanation for the Force and there's those that see it as a spiritual one. It can be seen either way. What I got from trying to understand why people hate the idea, is that it completely removes spirituality from the Force, which can simply be a point of view not everyone shares within the fiction.

 

[Rorywan]

No it’s really not a great post.

Jye needs his coco pops.

 

[screamingmetal]

How was it that the Empire was "defeated" at the end of ROTJ? All they did was destroy a Death Star (for the second time), and the Emperor died. So what? Does that mean that an entire battalion of Star Destroyers, AT-ATs, TIE fighters, Stormtroopers, etc. all just . . . surrendered? Are we saying that the Imperial Army and Imperial leadership structure had no chain of command?

How often has a dictator been overthrown or killed without a fight to fill the void? Even as kid, I thought the heroes were happy at the end because the remaining fight just got a whole lot easier. Not that it was all over. I didn't assume that the Endor celebration meant that Luke, Leia, and Han had no struggles ahead of them. That would be preposterous. There was a ton of Imperial war machine and influence all over the place. Did you think the Empire worked like the battle droids at the end of TPM: when the command structure gets blown up, they just stop functioning altogether? There was a big celebration at the end of A New Hope too. But that didn't mean that the Empire had been defeated just because so much of its leadership got destroyed. In fact, not long after, the Rebellion was running for their collective lives again!

Yeah, the ST could have gone in a bunch of different directions. True. But even Lucas (as we've been learning lately) would have kept his own ST centered around Luke, Leia, and Han. That was the point of there being 9 parts of the one story. ROTJ ended with the trinity heroes in their 20's/30's. Were we really supposed to believe that they wouldn't face hardships after that? That their lives would just stay as happy as they were when we last see them with Ewoks humping their legs? In what world is that realistic? The fight between good and evil doesn't end. The good guys end up getting hurt a lot. I'm just thankful to have gotten to see the trinity again. Older, wiser, less naive, but still heroic (yes, even Luke). And fighting against what is a very believable extension of the Empire after the command of it was assumed by somebody else, and reshaped into the First Order (I don't care what comic books and novels might have to say as the "canon" for how the FO came to be). I want to see how this 9-part story ends, and I'm willing to bet that a whole bunch of other people will too.

Star Wars is a simple story and not one that is all that complex. The Emperor is dead along with his heir apprentice Darth Vader, end of the Empire. That's the impression left on most at the end of ROTJ.
Think of it like the Nazis, Hitler was dead, end of the Nazis. Sure there was some that continued on a little afterwards, but in simple terms the Nazi empire was over.

 

[Khev]

"No it’s really not a great post."

There's this thing. It's called an "analogy."

So, here's how it works... it doesn't literally mean... that KK and Disney... went over to GL's actual house... to literally borrow his cars. So them owning those cars, shareholding, it doesn't really play into an analogous example.

The point of the analogy is: they didn't create something even remotely (let alone wholly) new as RJ is now supposedly doing. They took the super-safe OT retread route with Girluke Skywalker (mystery box parents) vs Emo-th Vader/Emperor Snokatine and their Death Starplanet, and rolled in the return of HF's Han Solo. And they followed that up with "Back to the ANH Future" with Marty McSkywalker just out of view around the corner of every shot and a Vader with a CGI Crispin Glover face (OT Vader should have sued his fan-service doppleganger too.)

They strip mined OT appeal. Taking Dad's cars - that everyone obsessively LOVES - for another victory lap. Whether they were borrowed, owned or stolen. But most of that is gone now. Now is when the true test for KK and Disney comes (though I'm arguing it'll be more of the same - Luke with mechanical legs and Rey Skywalker.)



I hate to trigger the Theta (we're far beyond even Beta) Male echo chamber here, but Khev you would recall our conversation where we confirmed AOTC's billion-plus adjusted worldwide gross? Adjusted, RO and AOTC in fact earned almost EXACTLY the same worldwide. In that case #1 or #3 ... it's like spreading out income into a different tax year. Same earnings, split or not.

And you would also recall how I mentioned how massively different the film distribution business was between 2002 and 2016, giving RO a massive advantage over a film from 15 years earlier? I mean do we ignore the fact that AOTC opened on ONE THOUSAND less screens than RO did? Or that AOTC earned $5m in China whereas RO earned $70m in China... primarily because there was about 1/10 the number of screens in 2002?



Yup no-namers such as the freakin' ANH Death Star, Darth Vader himself, DV with lightsaber in action, Tarkin as a full CGI recreation in many scenes and a new scene with Leia digitally recreated exactly as she was in ANH... released just 10 days before CF's death in a Heath Ledger-eque coincidence.

Oh, and those other no-namers that SW fans wouldn't care about... OT TIEs, OT Star Destroyers, OT X-Wings, OT Massassi (and war room,) OT troopers and uniforms (not that ST junk) and iconic OT rebel pilots etc etc etc. - all pulled direct from ANH.

Oh but yes OT fans would MUCH rather see a whiny nobody playing a teen version of Humpty Dumpty from the ROTJ helmet reveal and Ewok Village vanilla force-ghost guy (and as the burning follow-up to whiny moppet kid in the same role.) Alongside a Gary-Coleman-as-Yoda puppet/CGI... and YES we finally get to see the event we hear about in passing and had no idea what it actually was... the Clone Wars (always hated that name, then it turned out it was literally clones)

C'mon...

I just can't take your posts seriously TaliBane since you endlessly flip flop on what helps or hinders the franchise based on your own personal opinion of any given film. For instance if Kennedy does something unprecedented and oversees three straight years of #1 films then it's "riding George's coattails, anyone can do it" (when he himself did not) but then when Solo tanks suddenly riding George's coattails goes out the window and it's *all her fault."

Meh. Enjoy the endless spin on any and all facts to whatever degree you feel is necessary to prove your opinion as "correct." There are too many people to chat with who both love this film as well as those who either dislike it rationally or dislike it irrationally yet are still capable of owning their own BS once in a while for me to waste my time with any more of these back and forths. Am I the most rational fan when it comes to SW? Heck no. But I'm at least self-aware enough to recognize the fact that I'm not fooling anybody into thinking otherwise.

Yeah, one of the reasons I've avoided further TLJ talk, it's just spinning wheels and going nowhere. So much animosity and complaining on both sides. I do get that Luke came through in the end, and I didn't hate Luke astral projecting or whatever it was, but I personally wish they didn't darken his character the way they did. Agree to disagree.

I will say that your misgivings are certainly valid if you feel like they took Luke to a dark place unbecoming of his character but the way I see it is that with Vader he always saw the good in him hence the reason why he never gave up until the end whereas with Ben Solo Luke (and Leia as well) ultimately realized that they desperately *wanted* there to be good in him but had to come to terms with the fact that there just wasn't any. The throne room scenes of ROTJ and TLJ parallel each other in many ways accept for one key area: When the apprentice (Vader) killed the master (Emperor) in ROTJ he immediately turned good without the pervasive evil influence in his life whereas in TLJ the apprentice killed the master and stayed evil...because his heart was darkened by his own will apart from his master. That's simplifying Vader and Kylo's character a bit but hopefully you get the jist of where I'm coming from.

Either way, agree to disagree bla bla bla and .

 

[Wor-Gar]

Whatchu talkin' about Whillis.

My mitochondria just told me 3 things...

1. Incredibles 2 box office just paid off Disney’s loss on Solo
2. Kennedy ain’t going anywhere
3. Go team Khev Go lol

1. But its not a great movie oddly enough.

2. Give it time.

3. I don't understand the question.

 

[FlyAndFight]

The thing about the Medichlorians ( I misspell that word every time I type it), it can give an explanation for the Force that isn't spiritual (better term for it) that there are those that believe there's a scientific explanation for the Force and there's those that see it as a spiritual one. It can be seen either way. What I got from trying to understand why people hate the idea, is that it completely removes spirituality from the Force, which can simply be a point of view not everyone shares within the fiction.

I never saw the Force as something spiritual but simply "magical". It's why I also never considered "Star Wars" as pure science fiction but more of a fantasy story set in "galaxy far, far away".

The introduction of Midichlorians wiped out the magical aspect of the Force and made it sound more like an infection. "My father has it. I have it. My sister has it..." took on a new meaning...

There really was no reason to go there except perhaps that GL requiring a blood test show that Little Ani was more powerful than the mighty Yoda.

GL tends to make the galaxy a small place, more of a neighborhood, where everyone is linked and everything needs to be defined. The PT was guilty of that big-time. While I'm not a fan of the ST, it has at least (so far) kept from following the same formula.