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Wow yeah that first one is 10 years old now. Here's a video from 5 years back. Looks like he struggles being Ford if he doesn't have iconic lines to quote. On a side note Ingruber playing John Malkovich as Han Solo would have been absolutely hysterical, lol.

 
Jon Kasdan is dropping lots of fascinating tidbits about Solo this week. Here's what he had to say about Maul's cameo:

"If you felt like it was just a cheap stunt, I suppose that’s fair, but the truth is Maul was built into the design of Solo in many subtle ways, including the name Crimson Dawn, the artifacts in Dryden’s study, and Qi’ra’s use of Teras Kasi. Maul is my favorite character from the prequel trilogy. I love that Dave Filoni brought him back and expanded on his story in Clone Wars and Rebels. I love that there is at least some continuity between the shows and the movies. For me, Maul was destined to pass through Solo as the ultimate SW Keyser Soze.”
 
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Here's the rest of Kasdan's tidbits. Lots of fascinating stuff and he gives props to Lord and Miller for some pretty significant sequences. Sounds like Han and "the Beast" was all them.

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Mauls getting alot of hate, but if your a fan of Clone Wars and Rebels its nothing new.

Personally I liked what they did with Maul, especially in Rebels. Turning him into a rouge force user who only looks out for himself. He actually wants Vader dead also....




Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....
 
Well, I watched it again. 3 times now. I'll leave it a year or so before the next viewing in probability. That's just enough to convince me that it wasn't my imagination, this is a pretty good addition to Star Wars. Literally just L3 is my only problem with it, I could have done without being reminded of earth 2018 student protesters in my trip to a galaxy far far away. Other than that, top notch. Great cast, great banter, Han/Chewie/Falcon moments that even enhance the OT, good score, the ending leaves you intrigued about where it might go with Kira and her working for Darth Maul. Probably just one more film could resolve any essentials now pertaining to Han Solo in the run up to ANH. Will they risk it..do we want them to risk it? What if a sequel sucks and ruins what they've set up here as has happened for many people in the case of TFA and TLJ?

Mauls getting alot of hate, but if your a fan of Clone Wars and Rebels its nothing new.

Personally I liked what they did with Maul, especially in Rebels. Turning him into a rogue force user who only looks out for himself. He actually wants Vader dead also....

I don't mind it. The PT aren't canon to me anyhow so Maul might aswell just be a new character whose backstory happens to include that he once fought Obi-wan Kenobi, resulting in his mechanical bottom half. Even if the PT didn't exist I would find that detail pretty cool.
 
I don't mind it. The PT aren't canon to me anyhow so Maul might aswell just be a new character whose backstory happens to include that he once fought Obi-wan Kenobi, resulting in his mechanical bottom half. Even if the PT didn't exist I would find that detail pretty cool.

That's a good way to look at it. Like Bail Organa in Rogue One. To me he's a brand new character in that film since I totally reject AOTC and ROTS.

With regard to Maul it's almost better if you fill in his backstory more loosely than what is shown in TPM because then his mechanical legs can thereby make a little more sense. You can even assume that they really are just mechanical legs and not his entire lower half.

TPM's canon status changes by the minute for me so every other minute when it is *not* canon I'll just take Maul's Solo appearance the same way that you do, lol.
 
That's a good way to look at it. Like Bail Organa in Rogue One. To me he's a brand new character in that film since I totally reject AOTC and ROTS.

With regard to Maul it's almost better if you fill in his backstory more loosely than what is shown in TPM because then his mechanical legs can thereby make a little more sense. You can even assume that they really are just mechanical legs and not his entire lower half.

TPM's canon status changes by the minute for me so every other minute when it is *not* canon I'll just take Maul's Solo appearance the same way that you do, lol.

I always remember how the relationship between Superman The Movie, Superman II and Superman Returns was described when SR came out back in 2006. The Reeve films were held as a 'vague history' for Superman Returns. This enabled them to say that Superman's origins had already been done, he was already established as a hero to humankind, he had defeated Lex Luthor and General Zod - but if you wanted you could pretend some of the silly and dated aspects of the earlier films didn't happen or didn't happen in exactly the way they did in those films.

So that's how I would try to treat new Star Wars if it includes or makes reference to prequel stuff. If it's possible to do so then everyone wins. PT fans get acknowledgment of their films and I'm free to continue disregarding them and being able to enjoy new films even if they have a PT-related component.
 
I always remember how the relationship between Superman The Movie, Superman II and Superman Returns was described when SR came out back in 2006. The Reeve films were held as a 'vague history' for Superman Returns. This enabled them to say that Superman's origins had already been done, he was already established as a hero to humankind, he had defeated Lex Luthor and General Zod - but if you wanted you could pretend some of the silly and dated aspects of the earlier films didn't happen or didn't happen in exactly the way they did in those films.

So that's how I would try to treat new Star Wars if it includes or makes reference to prequel stuff. If it's possible to do so then everyone wins. PT fans get acknowledgment of their films and I'm free to continue disregarding them and being able to enjoy new films even if they have a PT-related component.

Great example with Superman Returns and the "take or leave the previous canon" approach. The MCU's "Incredible Hulk" film seemed to do that with regard to Ang Lee's Hulk as well. Ang Lee's film ends with Banner in Central or South America totally cut off from everyone in the States and TIH seemingly pics up from there. People who want it to be a continuation of Ang Lee Hulk can assume that it is while others can easily reject it.
 
I just saw it for the first time yesterday...and I'll admit I haven't gone back and read through all of this, but I was pleasantly surprised. I really enjoyed it. It's an adventure movie, plain and simple, where the stakes aren't "the end of life as we know it," but much more personal. It gave me a similar feeling to the first time I experienced Star Wars through A New Hope - it's one person's story against the backdrop of a much larger universe. Of course, after that it got bigger and bigger and more convoluted and more about the politics of said universe. But this one is just...fun, like ANH was.

Is it the best Star Wars film? No, but it's better than the prequels IMO, feels less "forced" than RO, and surprisingly feels less repetitive than the new trilogy.

Things I especially like:
1. Alden as Han. I thought I would hate him. I thought he didn't look enough like Ford. But he definitely embodies the character with gusto. Loved his performance.
2. While it "crosses Xs off a list" so to speak (meeting Chewie and Lando, winning the Falcon, the Kessel Run, the dice) it all feels very organic and natural and not forced, especially when compared to RO. It's like comparing Avengers to Age of Ultron. Both check items off a list, but one does it well and one...well...feels like they're checking boxes. If that makes sense.

Things I'm indifferent/unsure about:
1. What are the politics of this time period? Because this movie doesn't make it quite clear. There's the Empire, and there's some crime syndicates that are really wealthy and powerful. Where does Maul fit in? Is he *JUST* the head of Crimson Dawn? There are always two, and we assume those two are Palpatine and Vader. So is he working for himself? Like Dooku? How did he get here? (This may be answered by the Clone Wars show. I haven't seen it). Also, are the ragtag marauders really all there is of the Rebellion at this point? They don't set an exact point in time, but I can't see the Rebellion going from a couple dozen to this big organized front in such a short period of time.
2. Qui'ra's arc. She remains a mystery, even at the end, and we don't really understand where she's coming from. I get that they were leaving that for future movies, but considering there likely won't be, it feels like a real loose end that needs a bit more to flesh out to make her feel whole.
3. I know a lot of people dislike L3. And I'd agree that she's completely annoying and unnecessary. But she's not in it long enough for me to really hate her.

Things I don't like:
1. Donald Glover. I know, I'm shocked. He's such a great actor, but while Alden embodied Han, I felt often that Glover was imitating Billy Dee. Which is different than being Lando. Like if Chris Pine had parodied Shatner's manerisms instead of just being Captain Kirk.
2. I was kindof hoping for more from Han's Kessel plan. It's a major point in the story, and they set it up to be something out of an Ocean's movie, but it's very straightforward - dress up, get into certain places, blow stuff up. Kindof hoped for more. The same goes for the end Beckett double-cross. I kindof hoped for more from Han's plan besides let's get in there and...fire your blaster. Very elementary.

Overall, though, again, it's a fun movie that I'm likely to watch again. That puts it above TLJ and RO in my book.
 
Glad you enjoyed it capn! :rock

Just to address a couple of your points real quick:

Things I'm indifferent/unsure about:
1. What are the politics of this time period? Because this movie doesn't make it quite clear. There's the Empire, and there's some crime syndicates that are really wealthy and powerful. Where does Maul fit in? Is he *JUST* the head of Crimson Dawn? There are always two, and we assume those two are Palpatine and Vader. So is he working for himself? Like Dooku? How did he get here? (This may be answered by the Clone Wars show. I haven't seen it). Also, are the ragtag marauders really all there is of the Rebellion at this point? They don't set an exact point in time, but I can't see the Rebellion going from a couple dozen to this big organized front in such a short period of time.

They actually do establish the exact time as being 10 years before the events of ANH but only if you recall that Chewie was listed as being 200 years old in SW storybooks and trading cards that came out in 1977. If you didn't know that he was 200 years old in ANH then him being 190 obviously wouldn't indicate when this film took place (technically the beginning of Solo is 13 years prior to ANH if you include his 3 year stint with the Empire prior to joining Beckett's crew.)

Regarding the "only two" Sith rule I believe that the either the Clone Wars or Rebels cartoon establish that he's now just called "Maul" and not Darth Maul since he's no longer a Sith.
 
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Glad you enjoyed it capn! :rock

Just to address a couple of your points real quick:



They actually do establish the exact time as being 10 years before the events of ANH but only if you recall that Chewie was listed as being 200 years old in SW storybooks and trading cards that came out in 1977. If you didn't know that he was 200 years old in ANH then him being 190 obviously wouldn't indicate when this film took place (technically the beginning of Solo is 13 years prior to ANH if you include his 3 year stint with the Empire prior to joining Beckett's crew.)

Regarding the "only two" Sith rule I believe that the either the Clone Wars or Rebels cartoon establish that he's now just called "Maul" and not Darth Maul since he's no longer a Sith.

Thanks Khev!

10 years was kinda what I was thinking, based on Han's age. But in that case, they really try to push the fact that Emrys Nest (not sure if I'm spelling that) and her group are the Rebellion. I suppose they might not be, but how does the Rebellion get so big so fast?! Or maybe I'm reading too much into their role, or they're part of a bigger establishment.

Thanks for the info on Maul. Now I'm fascinated by what role he has in the larger universe at this point. They make it clear Crimson Dawn does business with the Empire, but is that because Maul will just do business with whomever pays him more, or is it some sort of loyalty to Palpatine?
 
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Sure! :duff

Enfys Nest just has her little gang of extremists (like Saw Gerrera's group) comprised of warriors who fled planets oppressed by Crimson Dawn. She isn't a part of the formal "Alliance" led by Bail Organa and Mon Mothma. That was how I took it anyway.
 
Sure! :duff

Enfys Nest just has her little gang of extremists (like Saw Gerrera's group.) She isn't a part of the formal "Alliance" led by Bail Organa and Mon Mothma. That was how I took it anyway.

I agree. Though they're definitely rebels, and will probably eventually become part of a larger Rebel ALLIANCE, they're not meant to represent the entire Rebellion, just an early fragment of it.
 
Thanks for the info on Maul. Now I'm fascinated by what role he has in the larger universe at this point. They make it clear Crimson Dawn does business with the Empire, but is that because Maul will just do business with whomever pays him more, or is it some sort of loyalty to Palpatine?

I think that Maul is totally against Palpatine but someone more versed in the CW and Rebels series would be able to tell you for certain.
 
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