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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Whatever drama might've happened with RO Edwards was the one smiling while being praised during the press tours and premiere.
The movie was a huge success for Disney and Edwards Hollywood career.
At this very moment Edwards and Kennedy are having a threesome.
Whatever drama might've happened with RO Edwards was the one smiling while being praised during the press tours and premiere.
The movie was a huge success for Disney and Edwards Hollywood career.
At this very moment Edwards and Kennedy are having a threesome.
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jye4ever
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Kennedy is enough woman to count for 2 lol
Kennedy is enough woman to count for 2 lol
Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Gilroy was uncredited.
How is that a threesome?
Gilroy was uncredited.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
In a perfect world, Lord and Miller become Disney's first official whistleblowers and choose someone like THR for an exclusive to completely trash and expose the creative process under Horn and Kennedy. This would vindicate Edwards (artistically) and finally shatter the false narrative they keep pumping every time they decide to run over an established filmmaker.
Honestly, I think it would break the internet given that the studio has made Kennedy and everyone else at Lucasfilm seem like such saints.
In a perfect world, Lord and Miller become Disney's first official whistleblowers and choose someone like THR for an exclusive to completely trash and expose the creative process under Horn and Kennedy. This would vindicate Edwards (artistically) and finally shatter the false narrative they keep pumping every time they decide to run over an established filmmaker.
Honestly, I think it would break the internet given that the studio has made Kennedy and everyone else at Lucasfilm seem like such saints.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Yeah that would do wonders for their filmmaking careers lol
Yeah that would do wonders for their filmmaking careers lol
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Official whistleblower is a position in a perfect world?
Official whistleblower is a position in a perfect world?
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Well, they have nothing to lose.
Their options are very clear right now:
1. Pull an Edwards and allow the online community to believe they were truly fired for delivering a bad movie
2. Shatter the false narrative Disney is promoting and open up about how they made the movie they ALL agreed to make when they signed on a year ago
Option 2 is heavy on artistic integrity and they'd come off looking like ****ing Robin Hood afterwards for smashing the fairy tale perception of this massive corporation who doesn't give two ****s about SW.
Well, they have nothing to lose.
Their options are very clear right now:
1. Pull an Edwards and allow the online community to believe they were truly fired for delivering a bad movie
2. Shatter the false narrative Disney is promoting and open up about how they made the movie they ALL agreed to make when they signed on a year ago
Option 2 is heavy on artistic integrity and they'd come off looking like ****ing Robin Hood afterwards for smashing the fairy tale perception of this massive corporation who doesn't give two ****s about SW.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Superman II was a good film. It could have been great.
Richard Donner had one of Hollywood's more famous blowouts with Ilya and Alexander Salkind and was fired from Superman II with roughly 80% of the film complete. The Salkinds had Richard Lester ghosting Donner throughout production on I&II (which shot at the same time) and Lester was more pliable to the Salkind's wishes. Richard Lester needed to film 51% of the final cut to have a Director's credit by 1980 DGA rules. Several notable names refused to participate in the extensive re-shoots, using the escape clause provided by the firing of a Director to walk away. Production halted for one year while the pieces were picked up. Gene Hackman did not return to production after Donner's firing, nor did Brando, John Williams, and many others with the stripes to walk away without career suicide. Christopher Reeve bulked up some during this time and Margot Kidder lost a substantial amount of weight becoming gaunt in the face. There appearance changes make it easy to pick out Lester's extensive re-shoots.
Among the creative differences was the butchering of Superman II's ending to serve Superman I. Superman I would have ended with Superman saving California. An ICBM unintentionally frees the Phantom Zone villains and laves a cliffhanger ending. No Lois dying and no time-turn-back scene. The Salkinds felt it was emotionally weak.
The Salkinds had Mario Puzo revise the ending of Superman I by stealing the end of Superman II. Originally in SII Ursa killed Lois by breaking her neck. Kal-El, in spite of his grief, performs the crystal chamber trick and steals the villain's powers. He then turns back time to save Lois from Ursa, ultimately undoing time all the way back past the point where Lois found out about Clark and Superman. Superman was able to confront the Kryptonians before their powers could manifest. Lois never knows his secret and the world is never subjected to Zod, Ursa and Non.
The "Richard Donner Cut" attempts to revise some of these ideas but some pivotal scenes - like Ursa's murder of Lois - were never filmed.
The Han Solo movie might be salvageable but it will always carry a question mark of what it might've been.
Superman II was a good film. It could have been great.
Richard Donner had one of Hollywood's more famous blowouts with Ilya and Alexander Salkind and was fired from Superman II with roughly 80% of the film complete. The Salkinds had Richard Lester ghosting Donner throughout production on I&II (which shot at the same time) and Lester was more pliable to the Salkind's wishes. Richard Lester needed to film 51% of the final cut to have a Director's credit by 1980 DGA rules. Several notable names refused to participate in the extensive re-shoots, using the escape clause provided by the firing of a Director to walk away. Production halted for one year while the pieces were picked up. Gene Hackman did not return to production after Donner's firing, nor did Brando, John Williams, and many others with the stripes to walk away without career suicide. Christopher Reeve bulked up some during this time and Margot Kidder lost a substantial amount of weight becoming gaunt in the face. There appearance changes make it easy to pick out Lester's extensive re-shoots.
Among the creative differences was the butchering of Superman II's ending to serve Superman I. Superman I would have ended with Superman saving California. An ICBM unintentionally frees the Phantom Zone villains and laves a cliffhanger ending. No Lois dying and no time-turn-back scene. The Salkinds felt it was emotionally weak.
The Salkinds had Mario Puzo revise the ending of Superman I by stealing the end of Superman II. Originally in SII Ursa killed Lois by breaking her neck. Kal-El, in spite of his grief, performs the crystal chamber trick and steals the villain's powers. He then turns back time to save Lois from Ursa, ultimately undoing time all the way back past the point where Lois found out about Clark and Superman. Superman was able to confront the Kryptonians before their powers could manifest. Lois never knows his secret and the world is never subjected to Zod, Ursa and Non.
The "Richard Donner Cut" attempts to revise some of these ideas but some pivotal scenes - like Ursa's murder of Lois - were never filmed.
The Han Solo movie might be salvageable but it will always carry a question mark of what it might've been.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Companies don't like when potential employees criticize or insult their former employers.
Companies don't like when potential employees criticize or insult their former employers.
Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Yep, hence Trank getting fired by LFL for how he behaved with Fox.
Yep, hence Trank getting fired by LFL for how he behaved with Fox.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
In the corporate world that's definitely the case. In the arts however, the rules are different. As a filmmaker you don't make movies to appease suits. This is a clear cut scenario of suits running over the artistic vision of some union Directors. Because today's America has become brainwashed with fake news and sterilized information, the notion of Lord and Miller publicly bashing Disney seems insane. It really isn't, everyone's just forgotten what it's like to get real honesty from public figures these days. Honesty in the arts is power. Orson Welles is a legend today because of that.
We're basically living in the movie The Running Man and Disney is ICS.
In the corporate world that's definitely the case. In the arts however, the rules are different. As a filmmaker you don't make movies to appease suits. This is a clear cut scenario of suits running over the artistic vision of some union Directors. Because today's America has become brainwashed with fake news and sterilized information, the notion of Lord and Miller publicly bashing Disney seems insane. It really isn't, everyone's just forgotten what it's like to get real honesty from public figures these days. Honesty in the arts is power. Orson Welles is a legend today because of that.
We're basically living in the movie The Running Man and Disney is ICS.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
"Arts" = street performers or small independent shows and people making their own creative content online, but working for Disney or any big studio that makes multimillion dollar products, that's as corporate as it gets. Companies and studios want team players, and after they pay their dues, then they can be "artistic" and have more creative control.
"Arts" = street performers or small independent shows and people making their own creative content online, but working for Disney or any big studio that makes multimillion dollar products, that's as corporate as it gets. Companies and studios want team players, and after they pay their dues, then they can be "artistic" and have more creative control.
Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
You do if you're making movies with their money. Besides this whole little narrative of yours only holds water if you think that 21 and 22 Jumpstreet have more artistic merit than The Force Awakens and Rogue One. If you're all about the Jumpstreet movies then by all means let this turn of events get you all bent out of shape. Personally I think that TFA and RO beat the living **** out of 21 Jumpstreet and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs so I'll trust the artistic sensibilities responsible for the former films much more than those who created the latter.
What Kennedy appears to be doing is really trying for a "best case scenario" Star Wars film with each new entry. She hires up and coming directors like Gareth Edwards, Rian Johnson, and Lord and Miller (and even Trank) and then hopes that they make Star Wars magic with their own unique styles weaved in. However her trust and level of risk taking has limits and if she senses something backfiring she'll obviously call for backup.
Honestly I think that's a pretty good way to go about producing movies for such a high profile IP as Star Wars. If her choices are homeruns (which she seems to believe with Rian Johnson) then she lets them do their thing, if they fail (Trank and Lego guys) or need help (Edwards) then she won't just watch the movie die she'll do what needs to be done to salvage it.
You do if you're making movies with their money. Besides this whole little narrative of yours only holds water if you think that 21 and 22 Jumpstreet have more artistic merit than The Force Awakens and Rogue One. If you're all about the Jumpstreet movies then by all means let this turn of events get you all bent out of shape. Personally I think that TFA and RO beat the living **** out of 21 Jumpstreet and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs so I'll trust the artistic sensibilities responsible for the former films much more than those who created the latter.
What Kennedy appears to be doing is really trying for a "best case scenario" Star Wars film with each new entry. She hires up and coming directors like Gareth Edwards, Rian Johnson, and Lord and Miller (and even Trank) and then hopes that they make Star Wars magic with their own unique styles weaved in. However her trust and level of risk taking has limits and if she senses something backfiring she'll obviously call for backup.
Honestly I think that's a pretty good way to go about producing movies for such a high profile IP as Star Wars. If her choices are homeruns (which she seems to believe with Rian Johnson) then she lets them do their thing, if they fail (Trank and Lego guys) or need help (Edwards) then she won't just watch the movie die she'll do what needs to be done to salvage it.
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Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Not true. At all. Barry Jenkins, Damien Chazelle, Paul Thomas Anderson, David O. Russell, David Robert Mitchell, Nicolas Winding Refn...the list goes on. A great filmmaker doesn't have to "pay tribute" to the corporate machine to earn his service stripes. There's independent financing, out of pocket, film school lotteries....a great auteur can rise to the top with film #1 on a shoestring budget.
Studios (suits) on the other hand need visionaries to make money, not the other way around. There's a reason Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige aren't directing these movies.
Not true. At all. Barry Jenkins, Damien Chazelle, Paul Thomas Anderson, David O. Russell, David Robert Mitchell, Nicolas Winding Refn...the list goes on. A great filmmaker doesn't have to "pay tribute" to the corporate machine to earn his service stripes. There's independent financing, out of pocket, film school lotteries....a great auteur can rise to the top with film #1 on a shoestring budget.
Studios (suits) on the other hand need visionaries to make money, not the other way around. There's a reason Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige aren't directing these movies.
Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)
Not completely on topic but I thought the Donner cut of Supes 2 was inferior to the official version.
Not completely on topic but I thought the Donner cut of Supes 2 was inferior to the official version.
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