Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Perfect.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

What a career. That dude was on Star Trek TOS, The Wraith and now gonna be in irrelevant Star Wars prequel.

Don't forget Evilspeak.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Superman II was a good film. It could have been great.

Richard Donner had one of Hollywood's more famous blowouts with Ilya and Alexander Salkind and was fired from Superman II with roughly 80% of the film complete. The Salkinds had Richard Lester ghosting Donner throughout production on I&II (which shot at the same time) and Lester was more pliable to the Salkind's wishes. Richard Lester needed to film 51% of the final cut to have a Director's credit by 1980 DGA rules. Several notable names refused to participate in the extensive re-shoots, using the escape clause provided by the firing of a Director to walk away. Production halted for one year while the pieces were picked up. Gene Hackman did not return to production after Donner's firing, nor did Brando, John Williams, and many others with the stripes to walk away without career suicide. Christopher Reeve bulked up some during this time and Margot Kidder lost a substantial amount of weight becoming gaunt in the face. There appearance changes make it easy to pick out Lester's extensive re-shoots.

Among the creative differences was the butchering of Superman II's ending to serve Superman I. Superman I would have ended with Superman saving California. An ICBM unintentionally frees the Phantom Zone villains and laves a cliffhanger ending. No Lois dying and no time-turn-back scene. The Salkinds felt it was emotionally weak.

The Salkinds had Mario Puzo revise the ending of Superman I by stealing the end of Superman II. Originally in SII Ursa killed Lois by breaking her neck. Kal-El, in spite of his grief, performs the crystal chamber trick and steals the villain's powers. He then turns back time to save Lois from Ursa, ultimately undoing time all the way back past the point where Lois found out about Clark and Superman. Superman was able to confront the Kryptonians before their powers could manifest. Lois never knows his secret and the world is never subjected to Zod, Ursa and Non.

The "Richard Donner Cut" attempts to revise some of these ideas but some pivotal scenes - like Ursa's murder of Lois - were never filmed.

The Han Solo movie might be salvageable but it will always carry a question mark of what it might've been.

Thanks for some of those details, knew about 75% of that but the details are interesting.

"Several sources close to the movie and others close to the directors tell EW that ever since filming began back in February, Lord and Miller, who are known primarily for wry, self-referential comedies like 21 Jump Street and the pilot episodes for Brooklyn 99 and Last Man on Earth, began steering the Han Solo movie more into the genre of laughs than space fantasy..."

"As usual with stories like this, not all sources agree. Another individual close to the movie says it wasn’t a question about how much comedy would be in the film. The consensus [from sources], however, is that the filmmakers were encouraging significant improvisation from the actors, which some at Lucasfilm believed was shifting the story off course."

"But others on the project say they pushed too far. It wasn’t just a question of tone. The variations added up to significantly change the story. They may have been brought aboard to give young Han Solo a wiseacre vibe and an irreverent style, but Lucasfilm still felt the directors had a responsibility to tell the story as written. When dailies began rolling in featuring improvisation from the actors and new ideas from the directors that significantly parted ways with the script, the relationship with the home office at Lucasfilm became fraught. As principal photography for the movie approached its end, it became clear that the filmmakers and producers did not share the same vision for some critical scenes. Reshoots were always possible (they are factored into almost every major film these days, and each new Star Wars project has undergone them), but as Lord and Miller dug in, refusing to compromise on what they saw as best for the film, the partnership went from strained to fractured. If they wouldn’t do the scenes as Lucasfilm and Kennedy wanted them now, why would they do them that way during reshoots?"

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Howard made Ransom, Backdraft, Rush and Apollo 13. This is good news.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Don't forget Evilspeak.

Evilface forgot Evilspeak lol

 

[spindrift]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Just totally lost interest in this film now- Howard will create a generic feel good vanilla Disneyer.
Sigh Opie has done well though......watch an old Andy episode and stare at Opie knowing he will guide Han Solo through the galaxy

 

[guyver1]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Howard made Ransom, Backdraft, Rush and Apollo 13. This is good news.

Nobody like the two Cocoon films

My personal favs in Howard's directing career

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

"But others on the project say they pushed too far. It wasn’t just a question of tone. The variations added up to significantly change the story. They may have been brought aboard to give young Han Solo a wiseacre vibe and an irreverent style, but Lucasfilm still felt the directors had a responsibility to tell the story as written. When dailies began rolling in featuring improvisation from the actors and new ideas from the directors that significantly parted ways with the script, the relationship with the home office at Lucasfilm became fraught. As principal photography for the movie approached its end, it became clear that the filmmakers and producers did not share the same vision for some critical scenes. Reshoots were always possible (they are factored into almost every major film these days, and each new Star Wars project has undergone them), but as Lord and Miller dug in, refusing to compromise on what they saw as best for the film, the partnership went from strained to fractured. If they wouldn’t do the scenes as Lucasfilm and Kennedy wanted them now, why would they do them that way during reshoots?"

Meatballs, Lego and Jump Street should have given an indication of 'self-referential comedy' preference from these two guys.

I'm not sure why some here are assuming that the two directors have a better take on Han Solo than Disney/Kennedy.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

It'll be what it'll be

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Meatballs, Lego and Jump Street should have given an indication of 'self-referential comedy' preference from these two guys.

I'm not sure why some here are assuming that the two directors have a better take on Han Solo than Disney/Kennedy.

Everyone here is assuming everything.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Howard made Ransom, Backdraft, Rush and Apollo 13.

 

[abake]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I don't really care about this Han Solo movie, TBH, so I'm not really that interested in who's directing it, but I like Ron Howard's movies.
What does sadden me is how this almost indie, auteur driven series of movies has now become another one of those flavour-of-the-week, made-by-committee franchises...

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Howard made Ransom, Backdraft and Apollo 13. This is good news.

Yeah, a hundred years ago.

The guy's incredibly lackluster now.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yeah, a hundred years ago.

The guy's incredibly lackluster now.

The only real action movie he ever made was Willow with Lucas..... and was 30 years ago. Don't see what he brings to the table other than being reliable to make the movie the way Kasdan and Kennedy want it.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I like the idea of Opie directing. It's crazy enough that it just might work.

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[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Hopefully Warwick Davis watches Han do something cool so he can shout "You ah great!" again.

 

[stshammgod]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

The only real action movie he ever made was Willow with Lucas..... and was 30 years ago. Don't see what he brings to the table other than being reliable to make the movie the way Kasdan and Kennedy want it.

That's pretty much it right there.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I like the idea of Opie directing. It's crazy enough that it just might work.

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I like it because I saw an interview where RH said that when he first met GL about American Graffitti, GL told him, " if you want to direct you should get into animation so you don't have to deal with actors. (paraphrasing)" So there's a bit of resonance there. I don't like it because RH is a mostly mediocre director who is coming in to homogenize something that might have added an interesting element to nu-Star Wars, if I may assume along with everyone else.

 

[CriterionCollector]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wow! Ron Howard directing? WHat could go wrong? Now I get to watch a feel good story about how the underdog Han Solo coming back to triumph against the odds like every other Ron Howard movie. blech!

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I'm not sure why some here are assuming that the two directors have a better take on Han Solo than Disney/Kennedy.

Not just Disney/Kennedy but Kasdan too. If he somehow turned in a Raiders-quality script again (not likely obviously but hypothetically speaking) then I can definitely see him and Kennedy getting pissed if the directors decided to replace good portions of it with their own dialogue.