Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Avatar a FOX movie? Gotta good chuckle there Wor.

Exactly.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Well, its a battle right now. Some studios are giving the filmmakers complete control (FOX is excelling at this)

Josh Trank and Tim Miller disagree.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Josh Trank and Tim Miller disagree.

Yeah, they ****ed up with Trank. The worst thing about it is that it was all reactionary. The test screenings said the film was too dark and the studio [moronically] listened, leading to the awful, virtually non-existent third act and bull**** happy ending we got in the final cut.

Basically the same thing that happened to Edwards on RO.

Maybe in ten years they'll release DCs for both those movies.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

I'm curious as to what you think would have been a darker SW story than one that had all the good guys dying. Saving Private Ryan level gore?

Vader's massacre was added at the last minute to lighten up the story?

I hope you were at least able to recognize that your friend who claimed to watch the super dark hardcore "Gareth Edwards" cut was totally full of it unless he actually is Edwards, one of the film's editors, Kennedy or Gilroy.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

In a perfect world, suits just pay the bills while auteurs tell the story. In a perfect world.

Well, in this perfect world you speak of, we would have almost no comic book movies. Or action movies. Maybe something like Tank Girl and A History of Violence in the comic domain. Or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in the action domain.

Vader's massacre was added at the last minute to lighten up the story?

Since you mention it, that scene really does feel like a way of perking the audience up, if they cared about the new characters to begin with (big "if"). Yeah, Vader kills a bunch of anonymous grunts. But the audience, if they are affected at all, are only going to be excited with something like that. It was designed purely as a nostalgic throwback. . .to that videogame that came out 2 or 3 years ago. Which is a long time for kids!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Well, in this perfect world you speak of, we would have almost no comic book movies. Or action movies. Maybe something like Tank Girl and A History of Violence in the comic domain. Or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in the action domain.


Since you mention it, that scene really does feel like a way of perking the audience up, if they cared about the new characters to begin with (big "if"). Yeah, Vader kills a bunch of anonymous grunts. But the audience, if they are affected at all, are only going to be excited with something like that. It was designed purely as a nostalgic throwback. . .to that videogame that came out 2 or 3 years ago. Which is a long time for kids!

I want to hesitantly agree with you regarding Vader but I still see him as the bad side killing the "good" side (more on that below) even if that scene is simultaneously providing a fist pounding moment.

DiFabio had the best political discussion going regading if the Rebellion was good or evil but that discussion is currently experiencing technical difficulties.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

The political authority labels terrorists. We have a list of foreign terrorist organizations maintained by the State Department. in the original films, rebels are terrorists, no doubt. They commit violence against the state with the objective of upending the status quo. As for good and evil, well, that's a trickier discussion. If an authoritarian leader curtails freedom, but ensures stability that ends up with more people having good paying work and the ability to raise families. . .which system is more evil here? Truman bombed two cities with nukes, full of civilians, for what he considered the greater good. There is a parallel with the Death Star here, arguably. I never saw concentration camps or forced laborers under the Empire's rule. The guys on Tatooine seemed to be doing OK by and large. . .

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Waits for DiFabio's response...


Still waiting....

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

I like hearing of the hidden stories behind movies and learning details of rough cuts and so forth but the narrative that Gareth Edwards had his own super dark version of RO just doesn't hold water.

The whole movie was an idea pitched to Kathleen Kennedy by John Knoll. Written by Chris Weitz with tweaks by Tony Gilroy. A novelization that hit shelves in December that very closely matched the finished film.

A finished film with the entire cast dying.

I'd really like to know where this supposed wiggle room existed for a completely different version of the film. *All* evidence points to Edwards establishing the tone from the get go and directing 80-90% of what we see on screen with select reshoots commissioned to better link certain scenes together while possibly redoing a key moment or two that needed improvement.

Obviously there are some very interesting shots that didn't make it into the movie but that's the case with pretty much all films. Deleted scenes often take on a life of their own until you see them and go "that's it?"

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

I like hearing of the hidden stories behind movies and learning details of rough cuts and so forth but the narrative that Gareth Edwards had his own super dark version of RO just doesn't hold water.

The whole movie was an idea pitched to Kathleen Kennedy by John Knoll. Written by Chris Weitz with tweaks by Tony Gilroy. A novelization that hit shelves in December that very closely matched the finished film.

A finished film with the entire cast dying.

I'd really like to know where this supposed wiggle room existed for a completely different version of the film. *All* evidence points to Edwards establishing the tone from the get go and directing 80-90% of what we see on screen with select reshoots commissioned to better link certain scenes together while possibly redoing a key moment or two that needed improvement.

The dude directed the FIRST SW anthology movie so no matter what he is part of a very important piece of cinematic history.

Every interview i've seen where he is with Kennedy he is extremely humble, super respectful and a master *** kisser to her in other words a perfect Hollywood marriage lol.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

The dude directed the FIRST SW anthology movie so no matter what he is part of a very important piece of cinematic history.

Every interview i've seen where he is with Kennedy he is extremely humble, super respectful and a master *** kisser to her in other words a perfect Hollywood marriage lol.

Yep, and as a huge fan of what he contributed to the Saga I still don't have any problem with the reality that he didn't oversee every single shot that made it on screen. All players involved have pretty much straight up confirmed that Jyn in her prison cell, getting rescued by Rebels, Bodhi being apprehended by Two Tubes, and Cassian's meeting with the Rebel informant were all Gilroy. That fact never takes me out of the movie, in fact I appreciate the finished film that much more because of how well they were done.

And if Gareth's first cut had Saw rescuing young Jyn, then title screen, and then immediately cutting to adult Jyn on Yavin saying "I rebel" then that categorically would NOT have been a better edit. And from what I've pieced together it sounds like Jyn, Cassian, and K-2 initially stole the plans (possibly never in Imperial disguises) then ran them across the beach where K-2 died with Chirrut and Baze. There's a BTS photo showing K-2 lying in the sand next to that door they were holed up by.

So again, if Gilroy was responsible for shooting the scenes of Jyn and Cassian putting on disguises and K-2 dying at the vault then I think that that too would have been the better way to go. K-2's death was amazing in the finished film. And I've always found it interesting that while they were still deep in the Imperial base Jyn and Cassian stopped to take off their disguises before making their escape. I'm guessing it was done so that when they leave the base they're back in the same outfits that Gareth shot them in. Which could mean that their beach death was straight Edwards.

So if Gilroy was brought in to book end the movie with some extra intros and add in the vault stuff, maybe redo a transitionary scene or two, none of that is a slap in the face or disgrace to Edwards. I can simply appreciate the efforts of all involved and be thankful that Disney had the willingness to spend the extra time and money and that Edwards and Gilroy worked together seamlessly as they had previously done on Godzilla. There's that old adage "It's amazing what can be accomplished when no one cares who gets the credit." Something that Lord and Miller might want to give some thought to.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yep, and as a huge fan of what he contributed to the Saga I still don't have any problem with the reality that he didn't oversee every single shot that made it on screen. All players involved have pretty much straight up confirmed that Jyn in her prison cell, getting rescued by Rebels, Bodhi being apprehended by Two Tubes, and Cassian's meeting with the Rebel informant were all Gilroy. That fact never takes me out of the movie, in fact I appreciate the finished film that much more because of how well they were done.

And if Gareth's first cut had Saw rescuing young Jyn, then title screen, and then immediately cutting to adult Jyn on Yavin saying "I rebel" then that categorically would NOT have been a better edit. And from what I've pieced together it sounds like Jyn, Cassian, and K-2 initially stole the plans (possibly never in Imperial disguises) then ran them across the beach where K-2 died with Chirrut and Baze. There's a BTS photo showing K-2 lying in the sand next to that door they were holed up by.

So again, if Gilroy was responsible for shooting the scenes of Jyn and Cassian putting on disguises and K-2 dying at the vault then I think that that too would have been the better way to go. K-2's death was amazing in the finished film. And I've always found it interesting that while they were still deep in the Imperial base Jyn and Cassian stopped to take off their disguises before making their escape. I'm guessing it was done so that when they leave the base they're back in the same outfits that Gareth shot them in. Which could mean that their beach death was straight Edwards.

So if Gilroy was brought in to book end the movie with some extra intros and add in the vault stuff, maybe redo a transitionary scene or two, none of that is a slap in the face or disgrace to Edwards. I can simply appreciate the efforts of all involved and be thankful that Disney had the willingness to spend the extra time and money and that Edwards and Gilroy worked together seamlessly as they had previously done on Godzilla. There's that old adage "It's amazing what can be accomplished when no one cares who gets the credit." Something that Lord and Miller might want to give some thought to.

That's exactly what this new Spiderman director just said in a recent interview, being in a room with 2nd unit directors, editors and producers comes with the expectations that the best idea wins but it is also understood that the check writers get to choose who has the best ideas not the other way around.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

That's exactly what this new Spiderman director just said in a recent interview, being in a room with 2nd unit directors, editors and producers comes with the expectations that the best idea wins but it is also understood that the check writers get to choose who has the best ideas not the other way around.

Totally, and if my theory is correct that Tony Gilroy filmed all the scenes of Jyn and Cassian in disguise then not even all of his work made the cut:

Compared to Gareth's reshoots that did:

At the end of the day it came down to whichever scenes made for the best movie and since the filmmakers played nice it was win win for both them and the audience.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

But maybe if difabio had difabio to difabio the difabio, we couldn't difabio the difabio's difabio.


:difabio

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

"Situation Normal." --DiFabio

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

lolololololololol

 

[Ropen]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

The political authority labels terrorists. We have a list of foreign terrorist organizations maintained by the State Department. in the original films, rebels are terrorists, no doubt. They commit violence against the state with the objective of upending the status quo. As for good and evil, well, that's a trickier discussion. If an authoritarian leader curtails freedom, but ensures stability that ends up with more people having good paying work and the ability to raise families. . .which system is more evil here? Truman bombed two cities with nukes, full of civilians, for what he considered the greater good. There is a parallel with the Death Star here, arguably. I never saw concentration camps or forced laborers under the Empire's rule. The guys on Tatooine seemed to be doing OK by and large. . .

Am I the only one who thinks the Empire are the freaking good guys????


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[xipotec]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

But maybe if difabio had difabio to difabio the difabio, we couldn't difabio the difabio's difabio.


:difabio

Why does he keep coming up......

Same posts every time......


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[Spartan Rex]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

Truman bombed two cities with nukes, full of civilians, for what he considered the greater good. There is a parallel with the Death Star here, arguably. I never saw concentration camps or forced laborers under the Empire's rule. The guys on Tatooine seemed to be doing OK by and large. . .

From a moderator no less...
You gloss over ALOT of historical facts to make a poor analogy.

 

[Khev]

Re: Han Solo: An SJW Story (May 25th, 2018)

You gloss over ALOT of historical facts to make a poor analogy.

I agree. It was very plainly stated that Jyn Erso was in an Imperial Labor Camp when she was rescued by the Rebels. So the Empire is NOT better than the United States, they're equal. Come on kara, get it right.