Spider-Man: No Way Home (December 17th, 2021)

[darth dennis]

Tobey got a little weird at times, but my take on Garfield was excellent Spidey, but waaay too cool and cocky for Peter Parker. Watching him slouch around on that skateboard it was like he was channeling River Phoenix or something.

I think the reason I like Holland is that he's a pretty awesome Peter Parker and a good Spiderman. I think Tobey was the best Peter and Garfield the best Spiderman, but Tom is the best blend, IMO. Very similar to how there are better Bruce Wayne's that aren't as great a Batman and vice versa.

I also liked the introduction of organic web shooters as it eliminated some of the questions around running out of webbing in mid-flight. I assume with the non-organic shooters that it was sort of like printer ink, running out when you're in the middle of an important print...

 

[matticus]

I also liked the introduction of organic web shooters as it eliminated some of the questions around running out of webbing in mid-flight. I assume with the non-organic shooters that it was sort of like printer ink, running out when you're in the middle of an important print...

I always thought his body could only produce so much that he would pass out at some point.

 

[ZE_501]

I always thought his body could only produce so much that he would pass out at some point.

Yeah, in terms of suspension of disbelief I preferred the mechanical shooters. Also, gross!

 

[matticus]

I wonder if people will get mad if all of these Raimi and Webb Spidey characters are not from their movies, but a variant of their original characters? I don't know if Feige would risk the possible disappointment of that.

 

[Ropen]

New Rockstars was debating if Dr Strange really was Mephisto after all( Dr Strange‘s signature hair style is different and both love fireplaces) and maybe him and Spiderman go on a quest to go after movie villains to collect power for him hence the weapon Spider-Man’s carrying? Who knows.

Something’s definetely up if Sam Raimi would film Multiverse of Madness and this movie tying into directly we will see

But I also speculated that what if Tom Holland was astrally projected into the other variant’s spidermen and maybe has to do something with how they recognize them but still hehe

 

[user 64404]

Like he should be, Spider-Man should ooze confidence and hope. Tobey was like watching Mr Bean be Spider-Man.
Andrew is the best Spider-Man and Peter. Glad to see my boy back on screen.

View attachment 536119

At the bottom is a leaked picture of Andrew in NWH. Also rumour has it,

continue at your own risk

that Tom is going to give him the Iron Spider suit to use in the movie, or he’s going to make him one more technologically advanced

Totally agree, Andrew was the best Peter\Spider-Man, TASM2 only error was focusing on Peter parents too much, the chracter development was great mainly in the end when we saw how amazing is Spider-Man as a character, the last scene with the kid and the death of Gwen always make me tear.

I just dont get people who say that Peter looks to cocky in the TASM movies, he is just a normal introvert nerd,it would be out of character if he was the popular kid with a lot of friends.

 

[matticus]

New Rockstars was debating if Dr Strange really was Mephisto after all( Dr Strange‘s signature hair style is different and both love fireplaces) and maybe him and Spiderman go on a quest to go after movie villains to collect power for him hence the weapon Spider-Man’s carrying? Who knows.

Something’s definetely up if Sam Raimi would film Multiverse of Madness and this movie tying into directly we will see

But I also speculated that what if Tom Holland was astrally projected into the other variant’s spidermen and maybe has to do something with how they recognize them but still hehe

I think it is Strange. He just wants to do something simple but Parker ruins it, which honestly fits into a Peter Parker storyline.

I am starting to wonder about Holland being in another Parker's body. The suit that Tobey wears might be hinting at that and I never thought of astral projection, so good call on that one.

I think Sony would be pissing off many people if they delay this movie.

 

[Victοr]

I remember that now. I don't think we should utter their names. It's sickening and sad.

I get that it's a deep pathology but I still wonder at how things can go so wrong. As an awkward young teen I remember reaching, trying to better myself, taking risks. And after the inevitable embarrassing and crushing failures, eventually I grew and became a better version of myself. It took a very long time. And at that age you don't understand time.

He was screwed by his environment in a way. He grew up in a rich area where he was at the lower end of the scale. So he didn't have to worry about money the way average teens would, but he couldn't wow the girls of his circle just by flexing. And then he fell into body dysmorphia. He frequented bodybuilding forums (the now infamous "I thought the average was 4"; this is very unsettling" post springs to mind) and then got hit by lookism. Those people go beyond focusing on a flaw or whatever and wanting to get their nose done. They measure canthal tilts, norwoods and so on. His problem, ultimately, was that he was a short guy who wanted to be a jacked GigaChad ThunderCock and bag all the 10/10 rich blondes. And that just couldn't happen. He wasn't ugly, especially compared to all the other people who fall into lookism. They're chinless jawlets with bad hair and whatever else. He wasn't ugly. He was just short. But instead of trying to work with that he fell more and more into denial and some kind of self-worship fueled by his self-loathing over not being what he wanted to be; the big guy with a big johnson.

Honestly, he was just a fuckup. He went up to a sorority, but when they wouldn't open he packed up and left. That was his original target. He couldn't even do that "right". I don't know if there were red flags or anything his folks had missed. Or if they didn't even care. But his problem ultimately came down to some extreme narcissism. There are a lot of guys in his shoes. Lost in looksmaxing/lookism and all that. We're talking about the generation, give or take, that entered puberty and got unlimited free internet porn. MySpace gave way to Facebook and Twitter which produced Instagram and OnlyFans and all that. It moves lightining fast and you're compared to every single person in the world, not your immediate circle. This is a pretty complicated talk but the short of it is that there are a ton of financially poor, isolated, awkward guys who got dealt a bad hand by the genetic lottery. They usually give up and wallow in their despair, sometimes adopting a misanthropic attitude, but usually they're defeatists. His problem was his entitlement from the environment he grew up in. And whatever other inherent problems he had, down to the genes that made him "him".

Anyway, I honestly hate Holland's Iron Boy. I wish he could get Jason Todd'd by Stormin Norman. Nostalgia aside, I actually think Garfield was the best one. He captured Ditko's original jittery Parker and the more mellow versions that followed. He's pretty close to the Ultimate books too. I wouldn't mind seeing him become the Sony Spider-Man, while Iron Boy continues in the MCU with Tobey either getting his own Old Man Spider flicks or just riding off into the sunset.

 

[GreenRanger-Kush]

Tobey got a little weird at times, but my take on Garfield was excellent Spidey, but waaay too cool and cocky for Peter Parker. Watching him slouch around on that skateboard it was like he was channeling River Phoenix or something.

I agree with you he was being too cocky, but that was the point of that first part of the movie. From the moment he got his powers he still wasn't Spider-Man. When he put on his suit for the first time, he still wasn't Spider-Man. It was only after the bridge scene, where he sits in his room and reflects on the mask what it means to be Spider-Man.

Afterwards, he still is pretty cocky but that's what I love about Spider-Man. And to get that perfect Spider-Man, the man behind the mask has to resemble some of his traits. Just like how Tobey Spider-Man is more stiff, if you know what I mean.

I like them both but if I have to choose, it has to be TASM. First movie was great, solid 8.4. Second movie should have ditched the story line about his parents (why start a Spiderman movie with a Jason Bourne sequence?!). There is also a comic book tie in which explains how Peter got the new suit from Gwen, which is such a nice touch. Why they cut this or didn't mention it 1 time in the movie is beyond me.

The way TASM2 ends, what it promised and how it got cancelled was terrible, so I'm extra excited for Andrews return as the masked menace. And to have Tobey back as well, icing on the cake.

 

[ironwez20]

Like he should be, Spider-Man should ooze confidence and hope. Tobey was like watching Mr Bean be Spider-Man.
Andrew is the best Spider-Man and Peter. Glad to see my boy back on screen.

View attachment 536119

At the bottom is a leaked picture of Andrew in NWH. Also rumour has it,

continue at your own risk

that Tom is going to give him the Iron Spider suit to use in the movie, or he’s going to make him one more technologically advanced

No actually not. Spider-Man is confident but Peter Parker isn’t. Peter Parker isn’t a ****** bag he’s very shy and antisocial and the guy you couldn’t see be a superhero. Tobey embodied that perfectly.

Peter is a nerd who over time grows to be confident as Spider-Man he wears a mask and cracks jokes causes he’s really scared inside and it helps him cope.
Andrews portrayal was just a huge ****** all around pretty boy who was given the power and it didn’t happen by chance. He was a good Spider-Man but a terrible Peter

 

[ironwez20]

Totally agree, Andrew was the best Peter\Spider-Man, TASM2 only error was focusing on Peter parents too much, the chracter development was great mainly in the end when we saw how amazing is Spider-Man as a character, the last scene with the kid and the death of Gwen always make me tear.

I just dont get people who say that Peter looks to cocky in the TASM movies, he is just a normal introvert nerd,it would be out of character if he was the popular kid with a lot of friends.

No he’s not a normal introvert nerd. He skated in the hall ways and gets the hottest girl in school. That’s introvert to you?

 

[GreenRanger-Kush]

No actually not. Spider-Man is confident but Peter Parker isn’t. Peter Parker isn’t a ****** bag he’s very shy and antisocial and the guy you couldn’t see be a superhero. Tobey embodied that perfectly.

Peter is a nerd who over time grows to be confident as Spider-Man he wears a mask and cracks jokes causes he’s really scared inside and it helps him cope.
Andrews portrayal was just a huge ****** all around pretty boy who was given the power and it didn’t happen by chance. He was a good Spider-Man but a terrible Peter

Well Andrew was very shy, antisocial and you couldn't see him become a superhero in the first act of the first movie.... Did the skateboarding part trigger you that hard to overlook those parts?

No he’s not a normal introvert nerd. He skated in the hall ways and gets the hottest girl in school. That’s introvert to you?

Its not really his fault if the (your opinion) hottest girl goes to him right.

 

[ironwez20]

Well Andrew was very shy, antisocial and you couldn't see him become a superhero in the first act of the first movie.... Did the skateboarding part trigger you that hard to overlook those parts?

Lol huh? Of course you could see him be a superhero cause his das literally tampered with his blood. Or did u forget the damn movie. Trigger? And he was shy for the first 5 min of the film then he acted like a total dick.

 

[ZE_501]

Well Andrew was very shy, antisocial and you couldn't see him become a superhero in the first act of the first movie.... Did the skateboarding part trigger you that hard to overlook those parts?

Its not really his fault if the (your opinion) hottest girl goes to him right.

By the time Garfield played Parker, he was channeling a Post Modern nerd. The kind of guy who runs a start-up. The original Parker was someone who got sand kicked in their face. Bit of a difference there. I see the points being made for Garfield, and appreciate them within the context of the film, but against the source material? Too cool.

 

[ironwez20]

He was screwed by his environment in a way. He grew up in a rich area where he was at the lower end of the scale. So he didn't have to worry about money the way average teens would, but he couldn't wow the girls of his circle just by flexing. And then he fell into body dysmorphia. He frequented bodybuilding forums (the now infamous "I thought the average was 4"; this is very unsettling" post springs to mind) and then got hit by lookism. Those people go beyond focusing on a flaw or whatever and wanting to get their nose done. They measure canthal tilts, norwoods and so on. His problem, ultimately, was that he was a short guy who wanted to be a jacked GigaChad ThunderCock and bag all the 10/10 rich blondes. And that just couldn't happen. He wasn't ugly, especially compared to all the other people who fall into lookism. They're chinless jawlets with bad hair and whatever else. He wasn't ugly. He was just short. But instead of trying to work with that he fell more and more into denial and some kind of self-worship fueled by his self-loathing over not being what he wanted to be; the big guy with a big johnson.

Honestly, he was just a fuckup. He went up to a sorority, but when they wouldn't open he packed up and left. That was his original target. He couldn't even do that "right". I don't know if there were red flags or anything his folks had missed. Or if they didn't even care. But his problem ultimately came down to some extreme narcissism. There are a lot of guys in his shoes. Lost in looksmaxing/lookism and all that. We're talking about the generation, give or take, that entered puberty and got unlimited free internet porn. MySpace gave way to Facebook and Twitter which produced Instagram and OnlyFans and all that. It moves lightining fast and you're compared to every single person in the world, not your immediate circle. This is a pretty complicated talk but the short of it is that there are a ton of financially poor, isolated, awkward guys who got dealt a bad hand by the genetic lottery. They usually give up and wallow in their despair, sometimes adopting a misanthropic attitude, but usually they're defeatists. His problem was his entitlement from the environment he grew up in. And whatever other inherent problems he had, down to the genes that made him "him".

Anyway, I honestly hate Holland's Iron Boy. I wish he could get Jason Todd'd by Stormin Norman. Nostalgia aside, I actually think Garfield was the best one. He captured Ditko's original jittery Parker and the more mellow versions that followed. He's pretty close to the Ultimate books too. I wouldn't mind seeing him become the Sony Spider-Man, while Iron Boy continues in the MCU with Tobey either getting his own Old Man Spider flicks or just riding off into the sunset.

Yea people do have a very defeatist attitude. There is a whole Reddit group of people call 30 plus give up or something where people just gave up on life and wanted a girlfriend or to get laid but they couldn’t cause they felt they were ugly. It’s very depressing. Seeing people just give up on life like that and wallow in despair for the rest of time.

 

[GreenRanger-Kush]

Lol huh? Of course you could see him be a superhero cause his das literally tampered with his blood. Or did u forget the damn movie. Trigger? And he was shy for the first 5 min of the film then he acted like a total dick.

Such a tiny part shouldn't be such a big deal in my opinion. I've red people complaining about it because it makes Spider-Man lose his status as an average Joe hero.. What. Just because his dad mutated his blood instead of being bitten by a spider immediately makes him less relatable?

Its not like we're getting bitten by radioactive spiders, mutating and shooting webs out of our ass like Spider-M,... Wait what.

 

[user 64404]

By the time Garfield played Parker, he was channeling a Post Modern nerd. The kind of guy who runs a start-up. The original Parker was someone who got sand kicked in their face. Bit of a difference there. I see the points being made for Garfield, and appreciate them within the context of the film, but against the source material? Too cool.

But the source material must adapt to the actual time of the movie, it would not make sense for peter to be a classical nerd from the 60's in a 2012 movie, he still is very shy, antisocial and introvert.

 

[Otomofan]

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Just full of the exaggerated swagger of a black teen.

 

[ZE_501]

But the source material must adapt to the actual time of the movie, it would not make sense for peter to be a classical nerd from the 60's in a 2012 movie, he still is very shy, antisocial and introvert.

Well ... the film could have gone in another direction had the director decided to. In context it works but it's not like there aren't still "classical nerds" in contemporary society.

 

[Victοr]

Yea people do have a very defeatist attitude. There is a whole Reddit group of people call 30 plus give up or something where people just gave up on life and wanted a girlfriend or to get laid but they couldn’t cause they felt they were ugly. It’s very depressing. Seeing people just give up on life like that and wallow in despair for the rest of time.

Reddit's too normalcore but it still has its crazy dens like r/AsianMasculinity or that one place where women over 30 gather to say how much they don't need men. A lot of these people are ugly or have some genuine mental issues. People get dealt bad hands. But whereas back in the day they isolated themselves, now they can find each other through the internet or forget their pain through consuming. Some however are just average people who get caught up in the narrative and end up worse than they were.

The newer (mine too) generations are weaker in a sense, but it's a pretty complicated issue. I've said it before, but I think one of the reasons why it got so overblown is due to the marketing shift. Back in the day they showed you beautiful models and gyms. They advertised a fake, unreachable to a lot of people, reality, but it was "honest". Then that shifted to "positivity" and while everyone kept acting the same, they put on a mask and pretended otherwise. Dishonesty is worse than harshness, I think.

The internet exposed every facet of reality. And as they all interconnect, and the worst of the worst are constantly contrasted with the best of the best, some just give up.