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Re: Rogue
No, no, I'm not volunteering. I'm a steak and potatoes kinda guy, I couldn't deal with all the foreign food over there. It's not like I could eat orange chicken and steamed rice everyday.
I'm just saying, there's quite a few gung-ho folks here that seem pretty adamant about QC. . . they should go over there and do it.
No, no, I'm not volunteering. I'm a steak and potatoes kinda guy, I couldn't deal with all the foreign food over there. It's not like I could eat orange chicken and steamed rice everyday.
I'm just saying, there's quite a few gung-ho folks here that seem pretty adamant about QC. . . they should go over there and do it.
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Re: Rogue
You make good points. He's deliberately ignoring the fact that whatever the reason was, the QC was lacking for the paint apps in this piece.
We don't have to speculate when the proof of the outcome is in the horrendous final product in customers hands with photographic and testimonial evidence to back it up. That's way more proof than the other party has provided. Since he never ordered Rogue PF and has no interest in it, he's merely in the thread to cause trouble for the people with legitimate concerns who actually did order Rogue.
Customers don't have to speculate about anything when the final product is right in front of them. In devil's case, he never ordered Rogue so I all his posts are speculation.
Agreed, I didn't see any complaining about Nightcrawler CQ when he arrived cos they were up front about the color change.
so your speculating as to why other people's speculation is wrong. Makes perfect sense
basically it comes down to this, either SS is an incompetent company that did not provide adequate monitoring of the company manufacturing and painting their statues, and furthered that incompetence by not bothering to inspect said statues before sending them out to hundreds of buyers. Or SS is in fact very competent company and closely monitored the company producing and painting their statues, and upon inspecting said statues decided that the quality met their standards and that if they simply changed the pictures on their site the sheep that buy their product would not complain. I really can't think of any rational explanation of how a product that is this defective and different then the product solicited could have been shipped out to customers.
You make good points. He's deliberately ignoring the fact that whatever the reason was, the QC was lacking for the paint apps in this piece. We don't have to speculate when the proof of the outcome is in the horrendous final product in customers hands with photographic and testimonial evidence to back it up. That's way more proof than the other party has provided. Since he never ordered Rogue PF and has no interest in it, he's merely in the thread to cause trouble for the people with legitimate concerns who actually did order Rogue.
Customers don't have to speculate about anything when the final product is right in front of them. In devil's case, he never ordered Rogue so I all his posts are speculation.
and there wouldn't of been a fraction of the complaining that there has been.
Agreed, I didn't see any complaining about Nightcrawler CQ when he arrived cos they were up front about the color change.
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devilof76
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Re: Rogue
There's such thing as rational speculation. Then, there are witch hunts.
I can. And I have given you an extremely plausible reason why. How much money do you think the factories lose to repeated work?
Except that the true failure is the paint on the heads, and that can hardly be considered a change. Do you think they decided that the statue would look better with ____ed up eyes?
I am? Where did I say that quality control was successful? Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that the factory is on the other side of the planet, that it's not feasible for the company to maintain an American contact to oversee production, and that without a production sample they have only the word of their Chinese management to decide whther or not a piece is ready?
Did I say that anyone was speculating that the paint on the stautes was ____ed up?
What people are attempting to pass off as certain fact (when they have no clue beyond their own suspicions) is that they were deliberately deceived, that Sideshow was dishonest, and by extension, that nothing is going to be done to resolve the problem.
I am causing trouble by calling people out on their baseless accusations? My sincere apologies. Continue with your witch trial. Sorry for bringing reason into it. I guess Dave understood the situation much more clearly than I do.
Which is a major change.
And are you saying that you know the change was demanded by Marvel/Disney, and was not another factory failure?
so your speculating as to why other people's speculation is wrong. Makes perfect sense
There's such thing as rational speculation. Then, there are witch hunts.
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I can. And I have given you an extremely plausible reason why. How much money do you think the factories lose to repeated work?
Except that the true failure is the paint on the heads, and that can hardly be considered a change. Do you think they decided that the statue would look better with ____ed up eyes?
I am? Where did I say that quality control was successful? Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that the factory is on the other side of the planet, that it's not feasible for the company to maintain an American contact to oversee production, and that without a production sample they have only the word of their Chinese management to decide whther or not a piece is ready?
fuzzylojiks said:
Did I say that anyone was speculating that the paint on the stautes was ____ed up?
What people are attempting to pass off as certain fact (when they have no clue beyond their own suspicions) is that they were deliberately deceived, that Sideshow was dishonest, and by extension, that nothing is going to be done to resolve the problem.
fuzzylojiks said:
I am causing trouble by calling people out on their baseless accusations? My sincere apologies. Continue with your witch trial. Sorry for bringing reason into it. I guess Dave understood the situation much more clearly than I do.
fuzzylojiks said:
Which is a major change.
And are you saying that you know the change was demanded by Marvel/Disney, and was not another factory failure?
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Pass Da Joint
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Re: Rogue
I don't buy the marvel change either. If they let Kotobukiya get away with the Bishoujo pieces why would they want this changed?
I don't buy the marvel change either. If they let Kotobukiya get away with the Bishoujo pieces why would they want this changed?
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Re: Rogue
maybe true, but the google eyes we've come to accept from ssc. Isn't that a sad truth.
maybe true, but the google eyes we've come to accept from ssc. Isn't that a sad truth.
devilof76
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The fact that it's become a running joke makes you wonder how they could ever let it happen again, and from what I can tell, this is the worst it's ever been.
That sounds like something the devil would say... waaaaaaaaaait a minute.
maybe true, but the google eyes we've come to accept from ssc. Isn't that a sad truth.
The fact that it's become a running joke makes you wonder how they could ever let it happen again, and from what I can tell, this is the worst it's ever been.
quadcent
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yep, truely a sad situation. It seems they just don't give a shat. they're making a ton load of money on these statues and I'm guessing that they figure why worry about it. I know it's wrong but they're certainly not showing us anything to think differantly.
The fact that it's become a running joke makes you wonder how they could ever let it happen again, and from what I can tell, this is the worst it's ever been.
yep, truely a sad situation. It seems they just don't give a shat.
they're making a ton load of money on these statues and I'm guessing that they figure why worry about it. I know it's wrong but they're certainly not showing us anything to think differantly.
devilof76
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Re: Rogue
They don't care, or they can't figure out how to control the factories? And what kind of money do you expect them to make on a statue like this? If they replace or refund evey piece that a customer is unsatified with, wouldn't they lose money every time this happens?
In terms of having the problem still happening, yes, they are not showing us anything. But in terms of how long it's taking to produce a solution to this particular situation, that verdict is still out. People who are assuming that nothing will be done because the problem wasn't fixed the moment they complained are being unreasonable. If the failure is as extensive as it appears, it is going to take them more time than usual to resolve it (although if people get an answer in a week--or even two-- I don't think that's very long).
yep, truely a sad situation. It seems they just don't give a shat.
They don't care, or they can't figure out how to control the factories? And what kind of money do you expect them to make on a statue like this? If they replace or refund evey piece that a customer is unsatified with, wouldn't they lose money every time this happens?
quadcent said:I know it's wrong but they're certainly not showing us anything to think differantly.
In terms of having the problem still happening, yes, they are not showing us anything. But in terms of how long it's taking to produce a solution to this particular situation, that verdict is still out. People who are assuming that nothing will be done because the problem wasn't fixed the moment they complained are being unreasonable. If the failure is as extensive as it appears, it is going to take them more time than usual to resolve it (although if people get an answer in a week--or even two-- I don't think that's very long).
Re: Rogue
I don't believe they keep a full time employee over in China, because they try to take regular trips themselves over there.
I don't believe they keep a full time employee over in China, because they try to take regular trips themselves over there.
devilof76
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Re: Rogue
They also wouldn't need production samples as proof of quality if they had someone from the home office on-site.
They also wouldn't need production samples as proof of quality if they had someone from the home office on-site.
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Re: Rogue
The people who have ordered Rogue (unlike you) and have her in hand (unlike you) have valid concerns and didn't just jump into a thread to cause trouble after Rogue was shipped.
You don't see Marvel fans jumping into your 12" GI Joe 'Ask Sideshow' threads to get it closed with valid concerns do you? Your motives and the track record of your posts are quite transparent to everyone.
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100945&page=7
The final product speaks for itself and the customers who actually bought Rogue have legitimate concerns while csi and quadcent make some valid points.
The people who have ordered Rogue (unlike you) and have her in hand (unlike you) have valid concerns and didn't just jump into a thread to cause trouble after Rogue was shipped.
You don't see Marvel fans jumping into your 12" GI Joe 'Ask Sideshow' threads to get it closed with valid concerns do you? Your motives and the track record of your posts are quite transparent to everyone.
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100945&page=7
The final product speaks for itself and the customers who actually bought Rogue have legitimate concerns while csi and quadcent make some valid points.
devilof76
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Re: Rogue
Do you think that repeating that over and over is going to make it true?
The only people I see complaining about my posts are the people who can't answer my arguments (like you) and who appear to have a problem with being unable to make accusations without being held accountable for their reasoning.
What makes you think this thread will get closed if someone disagrees with someone else? Unless people lose their cool over the mere fact that someone is contradicting their unfounded claims, I see no reason why it would.
Now stop trolling me before you get the thread closed.
Do you think that repeating that over and over is going to make it true?
The only people I see complaining about my posts are the people who can't answer my arguments (like you) and who appear to have a problem with being unable to make accusations without being held accountable for their reasoning.
What makes you think this thread will get closed if someone disagrees with someone else? Unless people lose their cool over the mere fact that someone is contradicting their unfounded claims, I see no reason why it would.
Now stop trolling me before you get the thread closed.
Re: Rogue
I don't have this statue, but just read through the entire thread. There are only 2 pertinent facts here:
1. Many people are highly displeased with the quality of the production statue.
2. Ultimately (no matter what the circumstances) it is Sideshow's fault and responsibility for this displeasure and the apparent QC issues.
Really, what is there even to debate here??
Don't get lost in trivialities and semantics.
I don't have this statue, but just read through the entire thread. There are only 2 pertinent facts here:
1. Many people are highly displeased with the quality of the production statue.
2. Ultimately (no matter what the circumstances) it is Sideshow's fault and responsibility for this displeasure and the apparent QC issues.
Really, what is there even to debate here??
Don't get lost in trivialities and semantics.
Skiman
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Re: Rogue
I think you'll have the argument of "I want a Rogue in my collection that looks like the prototype... not my $$$"
and facts are it's a business, overhead to do that ^^^ will cost them too much, here's your refund or a partial refund, end of story. (<-- this is despised and not a solution to others, well it is a solution it's just not the solution you may want which I understand is frustrating.)
but such is life, YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT because you spend good hard earn money on it... You can get your money back but some things are just not in the cards. Those of the breaks, you win some you lose some.
I don't have this statue, but just read through the entire thread. There are only 2 pertinent facts here:
1. Many people are highly displeased with the quality of the production statue.
2. Ultimately (no matter what the circumstances) it is Sideshow's fault and responsibility for this displeasure and the apparent QC issues.
Really, what is there even to debate here??
I think you'll have the argument of "I want a Rogue in my collection that looks like the prototype... not my $$$"
and facts are it's a business, overhead to do that ^^^ will cost them too much, here's your refund or a partial refund, end of story. (<-- this is despised and not a solution to others, well it is a solution it's just not the solution you may want
which I understand is frustrating.)but such is life, YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT because you spend good hard earn money on it... You can get your money back but some things are just not in the cards. Those of the breaks, you win some you lose some.
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Re: Rogue
Oh, no doubt. If people are demanding a statue that looks like the prototype, well that's not gonna happen. Ship has sailed. Those who have it and are unhappy should just send em back and get a refund. If Sideshow has to sit on a bunch of QC defective product that no one wants maybe the QC will get a shot in the arm somehow. But that's for future product. It's too late for Roque.
I think you'll have the argument of "I want a Rogue in my collection that looks like the prototype... not my $$$"
and facts are it's a business, overhead to do that ^^^ will cost them too much, here's your refund or a partial refund, end of story. (<-- this is despised and not a solution to others, well it is a solution it's just not the solution you may want
but such is life, YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT because you spend good hard earn money on it... You can get your money back but some things are just not in the cards. Those of the breaks, you win some you lose some.
Oh, no doubt. If people are demanding a statue that looks like the prototype, well that's not gonna happen. Ship has sailed. Those who have it and are unhappy should just send em back and get a refund. If Sideshow has to sit on a bunch of QC defective product that no one wants maybe the QC will get a shot in the arm somehow. But that's for future product. It's too late for Roque.
devilof76
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Re: Rogue
I agree 100%.
The only question I'm addressing is whether they deliberately screwed over the people who ordered the statue in order to fleece them.
I agree 100%.
The only question I'm addressing is whether they deliberately screwed over the people who ordered the statue in order to fleece them.
Re: Rogue
I don't think that's the case here. But when you're dealing with QC issues like this, intent is irrelevant IMHO. The product is flawed and it's still their fault.
That said, they have shown bait-and-switch tendencies in the past (the photos of the 12" Luke & Han Stormtroopers immediately comes to mind) so who knows. I just don't think they did anything deliberately untoward in this case. But, again, that's kinda immaterial to the overall issue/problem.
I don't think that's the case here. But when you're dealing with QC issues like this, intent is irrelevant IMHO. The product is flawed and it's still their fault.
That said, they have shown bait-and-switch tendencies in the past (the photos of the 12" Luke & Han Stormtroopers immediately comes to mind) so who knows. I just don't think they did anything deliberately untoward in this case. But, again, that's kinda immaterial to the overall issue/problem.
