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I agree, but I can also see completist tendencies in myself, and I can understand how to a lot of people it is the act of collecting the entire line that gives them enjoyment, moreso than any particular figure.

But regardless of whether it is a good idea to be a completist or not, Sideshow should not ignore the completists, because once they alienate them, they lose a large part of their base.


Exactly. Completists, right or wrong, is a huge part of the core SW collectors. And for them its a very slippery slope between collecting all of a line and just quiting the line altogether.

So far, I've liked all the figures about equally, so its really not about picking which ones I like vs don't like.

Eventually it will come down to which figures can I afford vs not afford and well, if it came down to that I could easily talk myself into not needing ANY of them.
 
Not to be argumentative, but are the completists really that huge of a contingency? I don't know, thats why I ask. On message boards it seems to be a large part, but what about the large part who don't post and visit boards?
 
Not to be argumentative, but are the completists really that huge of a contingency? I don't know, thats why I ask. On message boards it seems to be a large part, but what about the large part who don't post and visit boards?


I guess I wouldn't know being they don't commune with us.
 
Not to be argumentative, but are the completists really that huge of a contingency? I don't know, thats why I ask. On message boards it seems to be a large part, but what about the large part who don't post and visit boards?

It's a valid question. I'm not sure if anyone really knows, and I'll admit that what I'm saying is largely based on my impression from reading online posts and the like. I'd be interested to know how many people consider themselves completists, but I'm not really sure if we need to get too hung up on that idea. I'm really referring to anyone who buys most of what SS releases.

The edition sizes for their figures are incredibly small compared to something like Hasbro and they still don't sell out of the regular editions for quite a while, so I think we're dealing with a pretty small customer base. That means that each customer is more valuable to SS than to some other companies.
 
I agree. Break free from the chains of being a "completist". It's quite liberating. Also, LFL and the licensees won't have you over a barrel the way they do now.

I think thats what makes being a completist (particularly SW) so painful for people. LFL knows that there is a base that will buy anything and everything, not matter how small the difference or cost. Just look at how many times Hasbro has repackaged the same Vader figure :monkey4:monkey4
 
And that's one of the main reasons why I stopped being a completist years ago.

There were two main reasons:

1. Exploitation. I just opened my eyes and was tired of being taken advantage of by LFL and the licensees who are more than aware of many collectors' "I must get it all" POV.

2. Clutter. Simply put, this stuff hit critical mass years ago. And unless you have a huge mansion with lots of space (or a nicely designed "museum" like Sansweet's) it becomes overwhelming and just looks like a bunch of junk, which is unfortunate because there are some amazing individual items.

I stopped being a completist, became very picky and selective and scaled back my entire collection and I've been a much much happier collector ever since.
 
And that's one of the main reasons why I stopped being a completist years ago.

There were two main reasons:

1. Exploitation. I just opened my eyes and was tired of being taken advantage of by LFL and the licensees who are more than aware of many collectors' "I must get it all" POV.

2. Clutter. Simply put, this stuff hit critical mass years ago. And unless you have a huge mansion with lots of space (or a nicely designed "museum" like Sansweet's) it becomes overwhelming and just looks like a bunch of junk, which is unfortunate because there are some amazing individual items.

I stopped being a completist, became very picky and selective and scaled back my entire collection and I've been a much much happier collector ever since.


Same for me, IrishJedi. I also would personally add the following to your list:

3. Endless "exclusive" hunts, which took away the "fun" of collecting (for me.)

That killed my Star Wars "completist" mentality abruptly. Since then, I've learned to be choosy with my acquisitions in Star Wars and other collectible lines that I have.
 
Same for me, IrishJedi. I also would personally add the following to your list:

3. Endless "exclusive" hunts, which took away the "fun" of collecting (for me.)

That killed my Star Wars "completist" mentality abruptly. Since then, I've learned to be choosy with my acquisitions in Star Wars and other collectible lines that I have.

I hear you there, except I would lump the endless hunt for "exclusives" in with the EXPLOITATION bullet point.
 
I'm getting them all because I want them all. Though I could quit at anytime honestly. LFL has some folks feeling they can't miss but as i said for me I'm doing it cause I want to.
 
I'm getting them all because I want them all. Though I could quit at anytime honestly. LFL has some folks feeling they can't miss but as i said for me I'm doing it cause I want to.


LOL. I don't think anyone is any different than that.

I personally buy them all because I want them all. The way I display the figures makes me want to get every figure in a certain scene, even if I'm not particularly fond of a certain character. Bubo for instance. Rather dull, but I've got the Jabba scene and I want it complete.

I think what I need to do is start ruling out complete scenes.
 
LOL. I don't think anyone is any different than that.

Maybe but this is why I don't mind the price issue because I know I don't have to have them. Therefore when it hits a certain point I know its reached the level that I'm sure as hell not paying. So then I move on.
 
Maybe but this is why I don't mind the price issue because I know I don't have to have them. Therefore when it hits a certain point I know its reached the level that I'm sure as hell not paying. So then I move on.

Silently or would you voice it?

I gotta think that as passionate as you are about the hobby, you'd voice your disappointment.

I think a lot of people are just putting up that yellow light now hoping to not reach the certain point they'd have to give SSC the red light.
 
Josh is just one of those who is pragmatic about things, which is totally fine.

Me? I'm Irish, so I get a little red under the collar every now and then and demand explanations. :lol
 
And that's one of the main reasons why I stopped being a completist years ago.

There were two main reasons:

1. Exploitation. I just opened my eyes and was tired of being taken advantage of by LFL and the licensees who are more than aware of many collectors' "I must get it all" POV.


I realize I may be in danger of becoming an apologist for all these evil companies like Lucasfilm and Sideshow who are constantly exploiting us fans (insert humorous sarcasm emoticon), but here's a reminder about SW merchandising and the completist...

Merchandising is the cornerstone of George Lucas' PRIVATELY OWNED empire. The reason why Lucasfilm is not a publicly traded company, and therefore subject to hostile takeovers, shareholder whim, and creative control
by Japanese and Saudi billionaire investors, is because Lucas has managed to retain ownership of everything. He's retained ownership over all his creations because of MERCHANDISING.

I've had this discussion with dozens of people. The profits from the SW films are but a FRACTION of LFL's bank account. It's the monies from all the toys, games, collectibles and such that make SW the sole property of its creator, which is UNHEARD of in modern film (unless you are Sundance festival indie filmmaker).

Who owns Superman? "Warner Bros., Adam." Who are the Warner Bros? They all died years ago. Who owns Superman NOW? "Uh... the shareholders of Warner Bros." Well, who are they? Most of us don't know. The ownership of Superman changes from decade to decade, depending on who owns stock in Time/Warner Communications.

Wouldn't it be cool if Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster (and their estates) still owned Superman? If Superman's creators still had stake, interest, and a say in the Man of Steel's direction? It'd make you feel a little better about how they got ripped off when they sold the rights years ago....

Now, what if the only way Seigel & Shuster could hold ON to Superman, was through merchandising? Tons of Superman CRAP, flooding the markets and making the brand a dirty word, just to keep Superman out of the hands of corporate investors and shareholder whim. Would that be a small price to pay to keep a beloved creation in the hands of its creators?

SW Merchandising is part of it all, we must accept it this. Much like Seigfried & Roy accepting the danger of being bitten by tigers at work. STAR WARS merchandising is part of the beast that is STAR WARS, and it will NEVER go away. It will never 'get better'. HASBRO will CONTINUE to repaint spaceships and characters to match last year's profits until LFL comes out with new SW tv shows to fuel the merchadising machine anew. It will go on & on. There's nothing you or your griping can do about it.

What is our recourse? Well, if you are a completist, you better start playing the lottery, or become selective. If you are NOT a completist (like me), then you just get WHAT YOU LIKE. Personally, I love STAR WARS. And I love 12" action figures. But I do NOT get every 12" STAR WARS that SS puts out. It either has to be a character I like, or such a phenomenal toy that I can't bear to be without it.

As I said, I'm not trying to be an apologist. But when I get upset about something, I try to figure out WHY it upsets me. It doesn't change the cause, but somehow KNOWING the reasons makes it easier to swallow.

I have a long, drawn-out theory as to why the SW Prequels aren't even close to the story & character quailty of the originals (I won't bore you with it here, it requires about 20 minutes to tell & a pitcher of margaritas). I've laid it on a few colleagues & friends in the past. Usually when I finish, the response is "Well, that's no excuse!!!". I point out that I never promised an excuse, all I offered was, that I might have a reason, just a plausible exlanation to the "Why, George Lucas, WHHHYYYY!?!?!?" rants that some SW fans like to go on.

My theory doen't make anything better, it doesn't improve any performances or suddenly make Jar-jar evaporate. It doesn't fill in plot holes, nor will it take you back to a time when STAR WARS was better than BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. It just makes the dissapointments in the Prequels easier to swallow, and for some reason the little bits that are really excellent SW all the more succulent.

All I'm suggesting through this LONG and useless post is that, if we take a minute to try to understand the things that confound and frustrate us (like this barrage of SW merchandising), it can make those things easier to bear as burdens.

If you're just into complaining, well.... I can't help you there. Rant away, Gunga Din; try some decaf while you're at it.

-AH!
 
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It is pretty cool that the Star Wars universe and the merchandising is all owned by an individual rather than a faceless corporation. Read about how and why it happened in The Story of Star Wars. Something about Fox not wanting to put in around $100K more in budget. I may be misremembering but it amounts to one of the biggest blunders a faceless corporate entity could ever make.

As for completists - I am a SSC SW completist and proud of it. I don't know about other SW merchandise because I don't collect it, but I know that SSC isn't going to release just any old crap because they know the "completeists" will buy it. I'll know if that happens because I'll feel bad about the purchase almost immediately. So far that hasn't happened with SSC SW and I don't expect it to.

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And as for price gouging - anyone see the DCD 13" Joker? $89.99 SRP. And there's not even the licensing excuse there - they own all their characters. I guess all those exclusive deals with multi-millionaire sculptors is really hitting the bottom line. :cool:
 
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