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It's not right for a real warrant officer. I understand that. Flint is not a real warrant officer. He is a toy/comic book character. For his beret to be green would be wrong because he is a classic RAH figure. I don't understand what there is to discuss.

If you want a real warrant officer based loosely on RAH Flint, or a real ranger loosely based on RAH Beachhead, then a green beret would be perfect.
 
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It's not right for a real warrant officer. I understand that. Flint is not a real warrant officer. He is a toy/comic book character. For his beret to be green would be wrong because he is a classic RAH figure. I don't understand what there is to discuss.

If you want a real warrant officer based loosely on RAH Flint, or a real ranger loosely based on RAH Beachhead, then a green beret would be perfect.

Well, if Sideshow were simply making "classic RAH" figures, that would be fine. But that's not what they've stated they're doing. They're supposed to be making deluxe figures with modern, realistic accesories based on the classic characters. Sideshow Duke is great, but original Duke never had knee pads or goggles. Original RAH Duke's bandoleer wasn't a bag. He didn't have a modern assault rifle either. So if they can update Duke's accesories (and a hat is an accesory), it doesn't seem unreasonable for Sideshow to update Flint's beret to a proper color. Same goes for Beach-head.

They've given Flint a modern, tactical shotgun. That's not what the original RAH figure had. That's not what the card art showed, but it's an update and a more realistic choice for Sideshow. And unless one is getting the exclusive figure, that's what comes with Flint - and I imagine a lot of fans will go find a 1/6 sawed off shotgun to their liking and swap it out. However, Sideshow isn't just going "by the book" of classic ARAH figures. They're modernizing, they're improving, and they're trying to make these classic characters look like plausible commandos. And according to their file cards - the original ARAH file cards - Flint should wear a green beret, and Beach-Head should wear a Ranger beret.

They've never stated that they were just making "Classic RAH" figures. If you want that, Hasbro made the 12 inch "Hall of Fame" line back in the early 90's. I'm sure you could find some on ebay. Or just buy the recent "Hall of Heroes" 1:figure. It's even close to the original size - so you'll get as close to the original as possible.
 
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So what realistic commando is Snake Eyes based on? Or Storm Shadow, Zartan, Destro? These are imaginary characters and they are iconic. I'll take the inaccurate black beret over the "realistic"- whatever that means in GI Joe ARAH- green beret. Has anyone even touched on Duke's jumpwings being on the wrong side? Who gives a F? they're Joes, they can wear what they want.
 
These figures are "realistic" depictions of fictional characters that exist within a semi-realistic environment. You can't expect complete realism. If you did, you couldn't use the fictional names and backstories they are given, because they aren't "real." No green beret is excusable, and in fact, the black is necessary, because that's what Flint wore in the comic, in the cartoon, and as a toy. If he had a green beret, he would be Falcon or Stalker.

Like preeny says, is a megalomaniacal former used car salesman dressed with a towel over his head realistic? What about a Scottish weapons dealer who wears a shiny metal mask, a ninja, and a shape-shifting, make-up wearing schizophrenic who make up his circle of elite advisors/mercenaries?
 
It has a lot to do with the character. Flint's always been a Special Forces Warrant Officer - a "Green Beret". The only reason his original figure had a black beret was because it was cheaper to paint it that color... and so that became "tradition", but that doesn't make it correct.

I don't understand how it would've been cheaper to paint it that color. They were already using a like green for his suspenders and watch in his production run so it would've cost the same to use black or green. His shirt was molded in black, not painted, so the paint for the beret was added. Personally, I think if you're gonna go that overboard in nitpicking the Joe line's military accuracy, you'd probably be better off picking up a proper military line, vs. a line created solely for the nostalgia of playing off of toys, a comic and a cartoon aimed at children ages 5 and up from the 80's.
 
They've never stated that they were just making "Classic RAH" figures. If you want that, Hasbro made the "Hall of Heroes" line back in the early 90's. I'm sure you could find some on ebay.

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Did they never stated that they were making classic RAH? Damn. You must have been here for the Superbowl unveiling of the line. I'm glad you were, otherwise I would have wallowed in my ignorance forever.

Off to ebay...
 
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Did they never stated that they were making classic RAH? Damn. You must have been here for the Superbowl unveiling of the line. I'm glad you were, otherwise I would have wallowed in my ignorance forever.

Off to ebay...

I guess ur done collecting Joes...
 
So what realistic commando is Snake Eyes based on? Or Storm Shadow, Zartan, Destro? These are imaginary characters and they are iconic. I'll take the inaccurate black beret over the "realistic"- whatever that means in GI Joe ARAH- green beret. Has anyone even touched on Duke's jumpwings being on the wrong side? Who gives a F? they're Joes, they can wear what they want.

No green beret is excusable, and in fact, the black is necessary, because that's what Flint wore in the comic, in the cartoon, and as a toy. If he had a green beret, he would be Falcon or Stalker.

Like preeny says, is a megalomaniacal former used car salesman dressed with a towel over his head realistic? What about a Scottish weapons dealer who wears a shiny metal mask, a ninja, and a shape-shifting, make-up wearing schizophrenic who make up his circle of elite advisors/mercenaries?

Wow, let's all gang up on the new guy.
But I'll play along.
Preeny begins by asking "What realistic commando is snake-Eyes based on"? Actually, Lara Hama has said on multiple occasions that Snake-Eyes was based on a fellow Vietnam vet, Sgt. Bob Light. So there's the answer to your question, but I don't think that really gets to the issue you brought up...

All U.S. Tier-One Special Operators (Delta Force, DevGru, Intelligence Support Activity) pretty much wear whatever type of uniform they want in the field. They sometimes wear jeans, or athletic shirts. They grow beards, they do a lot of "unorthodox" stuff. So, if Snake-Eyes is a commando who operates and night, it is in no way far fetched for him to wear all black. And U.S. commandos wear baklavas and masks ALL THE TIME. It's not far fetched at all. Masks are pretty standard in Counter-Terrorism operations.

As for the Cobras, that's not the issue. Cobras are not serving in the military. They're a bunch of terrorists. Whatever they want to wear is their business. I couldn't care less.

But yeah, I wouldn't mind them moving Duke's Masterblasters over to the correct side. Hasbro painted the original figures in the most cost effective way possible... that doesn't mean that it was the best possible way. Hasbro has also produced Flint figures with Green Berets. In fact, when Hasbro produced the "Hall of Heroes" line in the early 90's, Flint was given a Green Beret. SO the first 12" Flint - from Hasbro - has a Green Beret.
 
I don't understand how it would've been cheaper to paint it that color. They were already using a like green for his suspenders and watch in his production run so it would've cost the same to use black or green. His shirt was molded in black, not painted, so the paint for the beret was added. Personally, I think if you're gonna go that overboard in nitpicking the Joe line's military accuracy, you'd probably be better off picking up a proper military line, vs. a line created solely for the nostalgia of playing off of toys, a comic and a cartoon aimed at children ages 5 and up from the 80's.

It was easier/cheaper because his hair was already black. The suspenders aren't exactly the proper color green, they were more an Olive Drab Green, rather than a proper forrest Green. To just use the black that they used on the boots, hair, and eyebrows was cheaper than adding another color (Forrest Green).

I do collect proper military figures. I like them quite alot. However, I'm not saying that Flint should get rid of the shotgun shells or the suspenders or not wear a black shirt. I'm not saying that Duke needs camo or anything like that. I don't want the Joes to change into something that they're not. I simply think the berets were always wrong in the original toy line (with the exception of Falcon) and Sideshow could fix that. It's a missed opportunity. It's not really a problem. I'll just fix my Sideshow Flint. I've preordered the exclusive, so I'll just put a proper green beret on him when I display him.
 
Why order the exclusive? He doesn't have the proper sawed-off shotgun. You can find a much more accurate looking one to the original Hasbro figure.
 
In fact, when Hasbro produced the "Hall of Heroes" line in the early 90's, Flint was given a Green Beret. SO the first 12" Flint - from Hasbro - has a Green Beret.

He was also in tigers. But that's not flint. Neither was the Duke they released in Cookie or the Blue Ranger Snake Eyes, Zebra-striped Stalker, PT Grunt & Heavy Duty, etc.. I get what you're saying but taking SF doctrine into consideration, if they can dress how they wanna, then Duke can poke his wings on the other side and Flint can wear a black beret and stalker a green. If they were being released in their Class A's, that'd be another story entirely.
 
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Did they never stated that they were making classic RAH? Damn. You must have been here for the Superbowl unveiling of the line. I'm glad you were, otherwise I would have wallowed in my ignorance forever.

Off to ebay...

Good luck. They're ususally easy to find.
Here's a picture of the first Two 12" Flint figures by Hasbro, both have Green Berets.
 
He was also in tigers. But that's not flint. Neither was the Duke they released in Cookie or the Blue Ranger Snake Eyes, Zebra-striped Stalker, PT Grunt & Heavy Duty, etc.. I get what you're saying but taking SF doctrine into consideration, if they can dress how they wanna, then Duke can poke his wings on the other side and Flint can wear a black beret and stalker a green. If they were being released in their Class A's, that'd be another story entirely.

I served in Special Operations Command at Ft. Bragg. I was in 4th Psy Ops Group. I wasn't a Green Beret, or a Ranger, but I worked with lots of them. Good guys.

When it comes to the "whatever works" uniform policy, that doesn't extend to berets and "chest candy". They take those off when they're working. But no Green Beret would be caught dead wearing a black beret - that's what every regular soldier wears, there's nothing special about it. Stalker and Beach-Head, who both served in the Ranger Regiment, would wear proper berets as well. If they wore berets at all, they would wear the correct one. They EARN the right to wear those berets. It means a lot to those guys. I wore a Maroon beret for the Airborne - it's not nearly as exclusive as a Tan or Green Beret, but there's no way I would want to wear a black beret.

The "Hall of Fame" figures... I hear what you're saying, but it is Flint, and Duke, and Stalker. They were the first "deluxe" 12" figures produced by Hasbro of these characters. They set a precedent. I understand what you're saying, and I agree that I prefer for the 12" figures to more closely resemble the original figures. But even Sideshow Duke takes some suble liberties.
 
Why order the exclusive? He doesn't have the proper sawed-off shotgun. You can find a much more accurate looking one to the original Hasbro figure.

The exclusive has BOTH shotguns. In fact, it's my understanding (at least when it was first announced, and I ordered it) that the Exclusive version is the ONLY one that comes with the sawed-off shotgun.
 
I served in Special Operations Command at Ft. Bragg. I was in 4th Psy Ops Group. I wasn't a Green Beret, or a Ranger, but I worked with lots of them. Good guys.

When it comes to the "whatever works" uniform policy, that doesn't extend to berets and "chest candy". They take those off when they're working. But no Green Beret would be caught dead wearing a black beret - that's what every regular soldier wears, there's nothing special about it. Stalker and Beach-Head, who both served in the Ranger Regiment, would wear proper berets as well. If they wore berets at all, they would wear the correct one. They EARN the right to wear those berets. It means a lot to those guys. I wore a Maroon beret for the Airborne - it's not nearly as exclusive as a Tan or Green Beret, but there's no way I would want to wear a black beret.

The "Hall of Fame" figures... I hear what you're saying, but it is Flint, and Duke, and Stalker. They were the first "deluxe" 12" figures produced by Hasbro of these characters. They set a precedent. I understand what you're saying, and I agree that I prefer for the 12" figures to more closely resemble the original figures. But even Sideshow Duke takes some suble liberties.

See, I dunno. If it was a regular military line, I'd expect strict adherence to uniform code. To me it's only worth complaining if you look at the figure and gotta think about who he is. After that, it's simply a matter of bashing them the way you see fit if not satisfied with the out of box figure. And it didn't used to be that way about the black beret. I remember Rangers going ape____ when General ********* decided the uniform was gonna change. Using the black beret for regulars was almost as disgraceful as the ACUs themselves.

The exclusive has BOTH shotguns. In fact, it's my understanding (at least when it was first announced, and I ordered it) that the Exclusive version is the ONLY one that comes with the sawed-off shotgun.

This is correct. :lecture
 
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