Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Rey is technically his daughter not granddaughter

This is straight from the book

?The dying emperor called on all the dark power of the force to thrust his consciousness far far away, to a secret place he had been preparing. His body was dead, an empty vessel, long before it found the bottom of the shaft, and his mind jolted to a new awareness in a new body- a painful one, a temporary one.

It was too soon. The secret place had not completed it preparations. The transfer was imperfect, and the cloned body wasnt enough. Perhaps plagueis was having thr last laugh after all. Maybe his secret remained secret. Because palpatine was trapped in a broken, dying form.

The heretics of the sith eternal toiled, splicing his genes, bolstering tissue, creating unnatural abominations in hope that one of these dna stand casts would succeed and become a worthy recepticle. The heretics would do anything, risk anything, sacrifice anything, to create a cradle for thier god-consciousness.

Nothing worked. But their efforts were not entirely in vain. One genetic strand cast lived. Thrived even. A not quite identical clone. His ?son? the clone was useless, powerless failure. Palpatine could not even bear to look upon such disappointing ordinariness. The clones only worth would lie in continuing the bloodline through more natural methods?

So no the emperor never had sex and it was a clone of his dna it just wasnt a perfect clone and the body did not have force powers or sensitivity So he junked it.

I guess from a certain point of view you can call her his granddaughter but the genetic strand in his cloned “son” was mainly just his dna, so i dont know if obi wan is telling the truth lol

Boba was a clone of jango does that make him his son just because he calls him his son and is a smaller version of him. No its basically the same person now if they spliced the emperors gene 50-50 with another unknown person then yes the clone would be his son but then it wouldnt be called a clone either it would be referenced as a lab baby or something along those lines.

 

[JAWS]

Rey is technically his daughter not granddaughter

This is straight from the book

?The dying emperor called on all the dark power of the force to thrust his consciousness far far away, to a secret place he had been preparing. His body was dead, an empty vessel, long before it found the bottom of the shaft, and his mind jolted to a new awareness in a new body- a painful one, a temporary one.

It was too soon. The secret place had not completed it preparations. The transfer was imperfect, and the cloned body wasnt enough. Perhaps plagueis was having thr last laugh after all. Maybe his secret remained secret. Because palpatine was trapped in a broken, dying form.

The heretics of the sith eternal toiled, splicing his genes, bolstering tissue, creating unnatural abominations in hope that one of these dna stand casts would succeed and become a worthy recepticle. The heretics would do anything, risk anything, sacrifice anything, to create a cradle for thier god-consciousness.

Nothing worked. But their efforts were not entirely in vain. One genetic strand cast lived. Thrived even. A not quite identical clone. His ?son? the clone was useless, powerless failure. Palpatine could not even bear to look upon such disappointing ordinariness. The clones only worth would lie in continuing the bloodline through more natural methods?

So no the emperor never had sex and it was a clone of his dna it just wasnt a perfect clone and the body did not have force powers or sensitivity So he junked it.

I guess from a certain point of view you can call her his granddaughter but the genetic strand in his cloned “son” was mainly just his dna, so i dont know if obi wan is telling the truth lol

Boba was a clone of jango does that make him his son just because he calls him his son and is a smaller version of him. No its basically the same person now if they spliced the emperors gene 50-50 with another unknown person then yes the clone would be his son but then it wouldnt be called a clone either it would be referenced as a lab baby or something along those lines.

Hmmmmm I saw Rey's father in TROS.. Looked nothing like him... Worst Clone Ever

Movie mentions nothing about Rey being a clone..


Even if you want to take the book as fact... I would bet the Emperor had sex and a lot of it if he wanted it...



Dont get the hang up on this one.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Its not hang up just another example of how poorly thought out the st was and how stupid disney is. They refer to it as a clone thats what it is. Yes it doesnt look alot like him which is why it was a failed attempt but it was still mostly just his dna. Of course they didnt explain it in the movie, they didnt explain very much when it came to palps because they knew it made no sense, they were hoping the audience would just take it at face value.

 

[punisher1974]

Idk. Once jye figures out that khev is doomcock then he may lose himself. He has been in khev?s corner for this long but will he be once he finds out khev secretly leads the charge alongside ducky to dismantle the ST?

You might be right. I still chuckle at the name DoomCock.

 

[JAWS]

Its not hang up just another example of how poorly thought out the st was and how stupid disney is. They refer to it as a clone thats what it is. Yes it doesnt look alot like him which is why it was a failed attempt but it was still mostly just his dna. Of course they didnt explain it in the movie, they didnt explain very much when it came to palps because they knew it made no sense, they were hoping the audience would just take it at face value.

Well that is why SW is great for Head Canon... I have no problem ignoring the books.. It does not fit in with what was on screen so its easy to ignore.

At the same time i like the idea that the essence of Palps transfered to a clone.. Of course its mentioned in passing in the film so its much more canon then the Rey's father was a clone.

Just seems like a strange thing to hold onto if its only in the book. I mean.. Did you read the book? Or just reading what other people have said about it.. If you never read it its even less canon

To me its much easier to accept Palps banging some slave girl, prostitute, or Gold Digger and having them give birth to a bastard son the all the goofy clone **** from the novel.

 

[JAWS]

Oh i agree ben and yoda were cowards to some degree, more so ben then yoda. Yoda was old as **** so i caN imagine after his fight with palps in sith he realized he was done. Didnt have the strengh to do it anymore, the problem is the both stil hid away while other jedi were still being hunted down and slaughterd. I dont think they worried about leia being discovered because she was not ?force sensitive? or could mary poppins yall in space during the ot or even pre ot. They werent simply worried about vader or the emperor sensing her presence because they had no reason to be. Why they brought luke back to his dads birthplace expecting vader not to search there is beyond stupid, they could have easily had anakin be raised on some other desert planet. Its still stupid he didnt search there but i can see Why ben did stay behind to protect luke.

Luke was not like yoda or ben, he was different. He was much like his father and even wonder Rey, he did not reject love or compassion he put his friends before the rules of the order which is why he disobeyed yoda and ben on multiple occasions. Ben lied to him because both he and yoda believed vader couldnt be saved (once you travel down that dark path Forever will it dominate your destiny....) that luke had to do the unspeakable thing of killing his own father. But again luke rejected their advice and ended up turning his father Because he was willing to die instead of kill him. That same luke would not have even thought about trying to kill his nephew cause he saw some darkness in him when he had already succeeded in turning the most evil bastard in the galaxy back to the light (when no jedi before him thought it could be done. No instead he helps create a monster then runs and hides on a rock leaving his sister and his friends to be annihilated by that same monster he had a hand in creating. That sounds like something ben kenobi or yoda would do but not Luke Skywalker. Say you take away the ****ing stupid ****ing **** of him raising his saber to kylo in his sleep and he failed with kylo due to the emperor corrupting him, he wouldnt have left his sister and his friends to be murdered by kylo, we would have tried to trun ben back because he was t like ben and yoda. Ben and yoda failed due to thier beliefs, its stupid to have luke making the same mistakes when he had already proved the other two wrong. I see why ben and yoda hid but having luke hide is just too much of a departure of his character

Tros did nothing to fix this characterization, in fact they had him admit he was scared and even as a super powered force ghost that could whoop palps ass he still decides to hide on the rock so wonder rey can save the dizzzzay because only she has overcome and confronted the ?fear?. Luke already confronted his fear in the cave and overcome his temptation in the final fight with vader. He like wonder rey was able to use anger and emotions to fuel him but not let them consume him. Why they regressed his character into an unrecongizable recluse wierdo is beyond me

Well at least your consistent

I guess I just did not look up to Luke like so many others.. I was more of a fan of Han and the villains in the OT. Luke was OK and all but I found him borderline unlikable in ROTJ.. Well maybe not unlikable but dull.

SO having him become interesting again was fine with me. I liked that he was flawed, I thought Hamill's performance was great and in the end he gave his life to save the resistance and his sister.. So he went out as a hero. Admittedly it would have been more fun if he actually showed up. But what was he going to do against the first order army?

Of course I never saw him as a coward. But just someone who could not deal with the guilt of the mistake he made. That he could not look his family and friends in the eye. TLJ is a hero's journey for Luke.

Anyways thats how I felt /feel. Its really the highlight of TLJ for me otherwise there would be no reason to watch that one.

 

[The Buffinator]

Hmmmmm I saw Rey's father in TROS.. Looked nothing like him... Worst Clone Ever

Movie mentions nothing about Rey being a clone..

Even if you want to take the book as fact... I would bet the Emperor had sex and a lot of it if he wanted it...

Dont get the hang up on this one.

Yeah, not sure what movie was playing in the theater OG Kush went to, but I saw Rey's father as well. I don't follow why he's mixing Palp's making clones of himself with his having a child. In fact, didn't he order the death of his son & his wife because he sensed that their child would be a potential threat to him? If that was his clone it would have been a bizarre form of suicide. Rey would have been dispatched as well if they hadn't hidden her.

 

[a-dev]

Or better yet, let's all agree to disagree and move on to The Mandalorian and (hopefully) other future SW properties. Let's face it, the arguments (and even the jokes) from both sides have gotten pretty stale/repetitive...

The midichlorian count of this post is off the charts.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Yeah, not sure what movie was playing in the theater OG Kush went to, but I saw Rey's father as well. I don't follow why he's mixing Palp's making clones of himself with his having a child. In fact, didn't he order the death of his son & his wife because he sensed that their child would be a potential threat to him? If that was his clone it would have been a bizarre form of suicide. Rey would have been dispatched as well if they hadn't hidden her.

Because he was a clone. I dont know if any of you watch clone wars but in the final season they show a group of clones that were imperfect replicas, like rejects but they were still clones of jango fett, they just didnt look like exact replicas. Even the clones that did had small variations in hair color and features, captain rex vs fives

 

[The Buffinator]

Because he was a clone. I dont know if any of you watch clone wars but in the final season they show a group of clones that were imperfect replicas, like rejects but they were still clones of jango fett, they just didnt look like exact replicas. Even the clones that did had small variations in hair color and features, captain rex vs fives

Well that may be the case in TCW and in some book that very few people have read, but in the movie TROS that tidbit was never even hinted at, so in my mind he was simply Palp's bastard child and he probably didn't dispatch him sooner because he was too busy waiting for his acolytes to create a viable Snoke suit. Once he had one, he realized his son married a woman that was to be portrayed by Jodie Comer (aka Killing Eve's brilliant and psychotic Villanelle), so he knew any child of theirs would be a formidable foe.

 

[JAWS]

Because he was a clone. I dont know if any of you watch clone wars but in the final season they show a group of clones that were imperfect replicas, like rejects but they were still clones of jango fett, they just didnt look like exact replicas. Even the clones that did had small variations in hair color and features, captain rex vs fives

But they still had a Jango Fett look... You could tell they were in the same family.

Not the guy in the movie.

If not for the book you would just assume that he was the child of palps..

That it what we all thought when the movie came out, I think there is a great chance that is what JJ wanted or that he really did not think it mattered at all that because there is no attempt to explain that she came from a clone of palps..

Ny point is.. Its such an easy thing to ignore if it bothers you that much.

 

[JAWS]

Well that may be the case in TCW and in some book that very few people have read, but in the movie TROS that tidbit was never even hinted at, so in my mind he was simply Palp's bastard child and he probably didn't dispatch him sooner because he was too busy waiting for his acolytes to create a viable Snoke suit. Once he had one, he realized his son married a woman that was to be portrayed by Jodie Comer (aka Killing Eve's brilliant and psychotic Villanelle), so he knew any child of theirs would be a formidable foe.

Exactly. I am not even sure he knew he had a son until Rey was born.. I assume his son did not have the force or was not very strong in it but he could sense it in Rey.. IDK make of it what you wish.. Its open to interpretation.

 

[The Buffinator]

The midichlorian count of this post is off the charts.

 

[Wor-Gar]

For the first time since its reissue in 1997, The Empire Strikes Back is #1 at the boxoffice again. Apparently its on 400+ screens.

Deadline reports...

 

[a-dev]

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The former. I was saying Amen.

 

[jye4ever]

For the first time since its reissue in 1997, The Empire Strikes Back is #1 at the boxoffice again. Apparently its on 400+ screens.

Deadline reports...

Disney took the top 3 spots lol

1. ESB
2. BP
3. Inside Out


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[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Well that may be the case in TCW and in some book that very few people have read, but in the movie TROS that tidbit was never even hinted at, so in my mind he was simply Palp's bastard child and he probably didn't dispatch him sooner because he was too busy waiting for his acolytes to create a viable Snoke suit. Once he had one, he realized his son married a woman that was to be portrayed by Jodie Comer (aka Killing Eve's brilliant and psychotic Villanelle), so he knew any child of theirs would be a formidable foe.

Its not from a random book very few people have read its from the rise of skywalker movie novelization. The whole book is exactly what you see on screen just with more explanation. Maybe we will see it in the 3 hour jj cut who knows lol. Thats the complete explanation for how the emperor survived and what his goals were atleast at that point in the story. They shouldnt have referred to it as a a clone, a strand of his dna if they intended it to be his actual son, but again the whole story is bonkers. I didnt write this stuff but it is what it is. Its probably why that **** was cut from the final film as well as that wierd spider on baby head creature which again was in the book. Kylo runs into him in mustafar at the beginning of the movie after he slaughters all the weird looking natives right before finding the wayfinder. You can tell there is a major edit in the scene which is why it ends so abruptly.

They marketed rey as his granddaughter but someone who watched the uncut version was like wait a ****ing minute if he is a failed clone and “imperfect replica” that doesnt make him his “son” it makes it him just a slightly mutated version of himself. If you ever saw the ****** alien resurrection movie you will see that they cloned her ripley but they failed many times before getting it right, leaving a bunch of muted versions. That exec be like take all that explanation out and jj be like but it explains how palp is alive and how reys father exists . The exec says well then you should have just called rey his daughter from a failed clone not his granddaughter. The book even reinforces the idea that the failure would atleast serve the emperor in propagating his bloodline in more “natural ways” eg ****ing, having sex, doing the nasty, man and woman creating a baby lol. His “son”was not created naturally again he was created using a strand of palps dna there is no reference to any other donor of dna, knowing palps he wouldnt want that anyway it would just dilute his own genes.

 

[aussiebottt]

Agreed. ROTS is my 2nd favourite after Empire.

You Sir have great taste is movies.

 

[The Buffinator]

The former. I was saying Amen.

I know that's what you meant, but I throw up in my mouth a little every time I see/hear the term "midichlorian count".

 

[The Buffinator]

Its not from a random book very few people have read its from the rise of skywalker movie novelization. The whole book is exactly what you see on screen just with more explanation. Maybe we will see it in the 3 hour jj cut who knows lol. Thats the complete explanation for how the emperor survived and what his goals were atleast at that point in the story. They shouldnt have referred to it as a a clone, a strand of his dna if they intended it to be his actual son, but again the whole story is bonkers. I didnt write this stuff but it is what it is. Its probably why that **** was cut from the final film as well as that wierd spider on baby head creature which again was in the book. Kylo runs into him in mustafar at the beginning of the movie after he slaughters all the weird looking natives right before finding the wayfinder. You can tell there is a major edit in the scene which is why it ends so abruptly.

They marketed rey as his granddaughter but someone who watched the uncut version was like wait a ****ing minute if he is a failed clone and ?imperfect replica? that doesnt make him his ?son? it makes it him just a slightly mutated version of himself. If you ever saw the ****** alien resurrection movie you will see that they cloned her ass but they failed leaving a bunch of muted versions. That exec be like take all that explanation out and jj be like but it explains how palp is alive and how reys father exists . The exec says well then you should have just called rey his daughter from a failed clone not his granddaughter. The book even reinforces the idea that failure would atleast serve the emperor in propagating the bloodline in more ?natural means? ege ****ing having sex doing the nasty man and woman creating a baby lol. His ?son?was not created natural again he was created using a strand of palps dna there is no reference to any other donor of dna, know palps he wouldnt want that anyway it would just dilute his own genes.

I'm sorry, but saying it's the novelization of the movie does NOT equate to it being widely read.

As you've acknowledged, it was cut from the final film (if it was ever in the script at all), so IMO it's irrelevant and not canon. It's like those early ROTJ drafts where GL was going to have Yoda or Ben's force ghost block Palpatine's lightning to save Luke. If this is canon, then it's hypocritical to say a force ghost can't physically interact with/affect the living world. We don't get to pick and choose which discarded drafts are canon and which are not.