Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[JAWS]

BUT Yoda was Blue in the Novelization also.

Owen Lars is found out to be Obi Wan's brother in the ROTJ Novelization.

And Jabba looked like this:

But that was in simpler times, when the comics were "secondary canon"!

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Now this I will give you.. I am not sure of the age of his son.. Its 30 + years after ROTJ.. So I can accept that Palps impregnated a chick right before the events of ROTJ.. which would work just fine IMO. He does look younger then 37 years.

The age thing wasnt a problem he was already a boy at birth its concievable he was already close to being a teenager. Palaptine called him a boy like he did luke. He was never a baby. The son was created-grown on exegal after rotj

 

[JAWS]

Derp.. Just found out Padme died 4 years after Luke and Leia were born.. Its in the Return of the Jedi Novelization.. Must be true.. Especially since Leia says she can remember her mother.

Finally we can officially say the PT never happened and was an Alt Universe..

 

[JAWS]

The age thing wasnt a problem he was already a boy at birth its concievable he was already closed to teenager. Palaptine called him a boy like he did luke. He was never a baby. The son was grown on exegal after rotj

I don't get why you have to hold onto this just because its in the novel... Do you accpet that Padme was still alive 4 years after Luke and Leia were born??

 

[JAWS]

For the record.. I still believe Han shot first

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

The extended cut of the movie will settle it lol lets just agree to disagree for now atleast. Maybe that part of the novel was poorly written and his dna was spliced with that of another but either way his son was created “unnaturally” or in a lab. Maybe disney didnt want to imply that any chick would lower themselves to sleep with such an evil dude. Kk pushed alot of her agendas in these movies

 

[Prime Clone]

For the record.. I still believe Han shot first

Finally, something we can ALL agree on!

 

[JAWS]

The extended cut of the movie will settle it lol lets just agree to disagree for now atleast. Maybe that part of the novel was poorly written and his dna was spliced with that of another but either way his son was created “unnaturally” or in a lab. Maybe disney didnt want to imply that any chick would sleep with such an evil dude. Kk had pushed alot of her agendas in these movies

For now its just something that does not bother me.. I like the idea that Palps banged some poor chick before the events of ROTJ and that he grew up as a decent unforce sensitive person and had a child and had to hide her from the cloned Emperor.

If it turns out it was a Palps clone... I will think its a bit more silly because The only way the palps clone would get out is if he was in possession of it

 

[JAWS]

Naw the prequel books were exact mirrors of the movies with just a few extra details.

Wait... You read all the PT Novelizations and they were pretty much just like the films??








j/k

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Wait... You read all the PT Novelizations and they were pretty much just like the films??








j/k

Heck ya i read every star was movie novel no matter how bad the movie is cause the books are usually better. The characters motivations are more fleshed out as well as the story itself. In the case of tros though i wanted to know how the hell the emperor was back the comment ?pathways of the force to some abilities some would call unnatural? was not enough for me to understand how he survived the death star ****, what his actual plan was at first (esp factoring all that snoke ****) what the deal was with all those ****ing cloned snokes, and he is a ****ing clone himself, when did he **** a ***** and have a son i was like wtf is going on.. so ya i read the book hoping for more insight and at least i got what i was looking for doesnt mean i have to like it or it has to make sense but its better then no explanation. Overall though the book is better then the movie, just some of it is a chore to get thru most of the dumb **** with poe and one more dig at luke. They emphasized that both he and lando went after that dagger right before kylo had turned but luke gave up his search that rey in the end was the only one who could find it (the hinted at that in the movie too i believe). The added leia inner dialog was really good, same with kylo ren. There is a conversation with luke and leia prior to her connecting with beN, its really moving and they should have kept it or at least put in the movie but carrie fisher probably died before they could film that scene such a shame. One thing i found strange is the book did not identify the force ghost voices at the end by name, the quotes were the same though. I had to visualize and remember what jedi was saying the quotes from the movie itself so poor deaf people will never know lol

 

[Prime Clone]

BUT Yoda was Blue in the Novelization also.

Owen Lars is found out to be Obi Wan's brother in the ROTJ Novelization.

Forgot to mention, all non-screen material was consigned to Legends status when Disney took over (including comic and book adaptations of the films).

 

[Otomofan]

Disney has no authority over me. Just because they own the "rights" to the property doesn't mean it's "real."

What happened to Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, and the droids after their Endor party? Who knows. It's entirely up to you.

If you reject this Disney ******** corporate lifeless soulless **** like I do, then just refuse to accept it. You need someone to hold your hand and officially announce it's not "canon?" I don't. It was never canon to me. The story ended with Leia pulling Luke back into his circle of friends, after he said goodbye to the ghosts of his past. What happens next is wide open.

I guess if you LIKE the idea of the three of them wasting their lives and dying pointless deaths, with all of their heroics amounting to nothing, that's your choice.

I don't think those characters would let that happen to them. I think they're stronger than that.

The Emperor is dead. Anakin Skywalker is redeemed. There is and never will be any character known as "Rey."

That's how I see it. Just cause the biggest corporation in the world hired a bunch of salty middle aged women to take a big old Cleveland Steamer on the trilogy I was raised on doesn't make it valid in the slightest. Anyone with enough money can do anything. Disney could make Citizen Kane 2 where he jumps out of bed and starts dancing around the room, but it'll never be "canon."

Anyway....I'm rambling again. This stinking thread does that to me. TL;DR F Disney in the A. Without lube.

 

[Prime Clone]

Well said Otomofan, stick to your guns!

But I?m the type of fan who?ll settle for mediocre SW just because it means more SW (heck, I did it with TPM, why stop now).

Rey as the offspring of a clone actually makes it easier for me to accept her as a ?Skywalker?, as it means both she and Anakin are the result of ?unnatural? experiments involving The Force.

 

[ironwez20]

Disney has no authority over me. Just because they own the "rights" to the property doesn't mean it's "real."

What happened to Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, and the droids after their Endor party? Who knows. It's entirely up to you.

If you reject this Disney ******** corporate lifeless soulless **** like I do, then just refuse to accept it. You need someone to hold your hand and officially announce it's not "canon?" I don't. It was never canon to me. The story ended with Leia pulling Luke back into his circle of friends, after he said goodbye to the ghosts of his past. What happens next is wide open.

I guess if you LIKE the idea of the three of them wasting their lives and dying pointless deaths, with all of their heroics amounting to nothing, that's your choice.

I don't think those characters would let that happen to them. I think they're stronger than that.

The Emperor is dead. Anakin Skywalker is redeemed. There is and never will be any character known as "Rey."

That's how I see it. Just cause the biggest corporation in the world hired a bunch of salty middle aged women to take a big old Cleveland Steamer on the trilogy I was raised on doesn't make it valid in the slightest. Anyone with enough money can do anything. Disney could make Citizen Kane 2 where he jumps out of bed and starts dancing around the room, but it'll never be "canon."

Anyway....I'm rambling again. This stinking thread does that to me. TL;DR F Disney in the A. Without lube.

Damn. Good post.
Yea some of the ST fans here only like the film cause it has OT aspects in it and so it gets a pass. That?s absolutely hilarious to me imo. Just cause a franchise caters to your nostalgia doesn?t make it good. These were poorly told. Plain and simple. Forgotten and done with.

It?s sad really. The three biggest fans here know it sucks.

Jaws knows it sucks but accepts it for what it is.

Khev thinks it sucks so much he created a duel personality

And jye is a huge ot purist. So anything with a millennium falcon and storm troopers has his money .

 

[ironwez20]

Well said Otomofan, stick to your guns!

But I?m the type of fan who?ll settle for mediocre SW just because it means more SW (heck, I did it with TPM, why stop now).

Rey as the offspring of a clone actually makes it easier for me to accept her as a ?Skywalker?, as it means both she and Anakin are the result of ?unnatural? experiments involving The Force.

If they explained that in the films and built up towards that then people would ease off the Mary Sue stuff but since she seems to of gotten strong out of nowhere it makes no sense.

Can anyone explain that stupid scene where she happens to know how to do a Jedi mind trick out of her ass and it works? That was the huge reveal she was a Jedi. I thought that scene was so damn stupid. How the hell she know how to do that?

 

[Prime Clone]

Can anyone explain that stupid scene where she happens to know how to do a Jedi mind trick out of her ass and it works?

Did that happen before or after she turned Kylo's mind probing against him? Cos I got the impression that awakened her mind-trick ability.

 

[Khev]

I thought I recalled Khev saying the TROS commentary referred to Rey as Palps' literal granddaughter and made no reference to a clone father.

Correct. Both Kylo Ren and Palpatine call Rey his granddaughter in the film and JJ calls her out as being Palps' granddaughter in one of the TROS docs included on the blu-ray. There's no question that that's what she is according to the movie. Literally zero ambiguity.

Those who kneel at the altar of KK's idiot "Story Group" are obviously free to pretend that she's the daughter of a clone for their own alternate head canons though.

 

[Asta]

Isn't Boba considered to be Jango's "son" even though he's a clone of him?

So if the Emperor cloned himself, it would be his "son", and his son's daughter would be his granddaughter...

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme... a new novelization of,a clone of pappy Sheev.

 

[Khev]

Didn't we go through this with TLJ as well? Didn't Khev argue in favour of it, then admit he was just making fun? Or was that someone else?

Nope you're right I did flip flop spectacularly on TLJ and now it's just me and ajp who love it again, lol. TROS redeemed all the aspects I had grown to take issue with and I've just decided to let go of the stupid RJ stuff for the sake of being able to fully embrace two entire trilogies.

 

[JAWS]

Disney has no authority over me. Just because they own the "rights" to the property doesn't mean it's "real."

What happened to Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, and the droids after their Endor party? Who knows. It's entirely up to you.

If you reject this Disney ******** corporate lifeless soulless **** like I do, then just refuse to accept it. You need someone to hold your hand and officially announce it's not "canon?" I don't. It was never canon to me. The story ended with Leia pulling Luke back into his circle of friends, after he said goodbye to the ghosts of his past. What happens next is wide open.

I guess if you LIKE the idea of the three of them wasting their lives and dying pointless deaths, with all of their heroics amounting to nothing, that's your choice.

I don't think those characters would let that happen to them. I think they're stronger than that.

The Emperor is dead. Anakin Skywalker is redeemed. There is and never will be any character known as "Rey."

That's how I see it. Just cause the biggest corporation in the world hired a bunch of salty middle aged women to take a big old Cleveland Steamer on the trilogy I was raised on doesn't make it valid in the slightest. Anyone with enough money can do anything. Disney could make Citizen Kane 2 where he jumps out of bed and starts dancing around the room, but it'll never be "canon."

Anyway....I'm rambling again. This stinking thread does that to me. TL;DR F Disney in the A. Without lube.

Exactly.. I had erased the PT as Canon for years. Just some well made fan fiction. After TFA and TLJ came out I was about ready to cancel out the ST.

Then Came TROS and I ended up accepting all of it as canon.

Damn. Good post.
Yea some of the ST fans here only like the film cause it has OT aspects in it and so it gets a pass. That?s absolutely hilarious to me imo. Just cause a franchise caters to your nostalgia doesn?t make it good. These were poorly told. Plain and simple. Forgotten and done with.

It?s sad really. The three biggest fans here know it sucks.

Jaws knows it sucks but accepts it for what it is.

Khev thinks it sucks so much he created a duel personality

And jye is a huge ot purist. So anything with a millennium falcon and storm troopers has his money .

In no way do I think the ST sucks as a whole. Well except TLJ. I accept that it sucks as a whole because I only really like about 25% of the story. TROS has plot issues but I love the look, feel, and overall story. TFA was made better to me because of TROS.

I dont think the PT sucks because its SW. But they are such awkward films with some ideas that I like and some that I really hate. Bad acting takes me out of a movie each and every time and the PT has that in abundance. If the actors cant believe they are in a galaxy far far away, then how can I. AOTC Sucks though. I give it a pass because its SW but I really dont like anything in that film. Its just less offensive then the stuff I hate in TLJ.

So Again.. I just say that most of SW other then two films are problematic and less then perfect.

The ST has a lack of a plan issue, some plot holes, some bad ideas, with a bad middle chapter but has great acting and some great sets and FX and some good action.

The PT is a mess of bad acting, dialogue, direction, some bad ideas with a bad middle chapter but has some great world building, imagination, FX and some good action.

Pick you poison.

Swallow it all.

Or stay healthy and don't try any of it