Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

But padme was already on the ship and hooked up to life support by that point. I think its more or less he snapped her neck when chocking her but George thought it was too dark so he created that ******** "lost the will to live reason" or that second reason "he funneled her life force but again Anakin was a sith at that point, it would break all continuity" sith cannot heal they are unwilling to give up their life force to save someone else, and if he had that power he would have used it on obi wan not padme or to revive padme by stealing obi wans life force. sith cannot do force healing because it requires a selfless act. He had not yet learned the power of darth Plageus the wise vamping and leaching the life force from others, that's how he avoided death. He would willingly sacrifice another human being by stealing its life force, jedi wouldn't do that an Anakin hadnt yet learned this power, this is the power Palpatine was hoping that him and Anakin (the chosen one) could unlock together. Palps never did learn it before he died so he came up with plan b then plan c then plan f (the Sequel trilogy)

 

[Bravomite]

put padme was already on the ship and hooked up to life support by that point. I think its more or less he snapped her neck when chocking her but George thought it was too dark so he created that ******** "lost the will to live reason" or that second reason "he funneled her life force but again Anakin was a sith at that point, it would break all continuity" sith cannot heal they are unwilling to give up their life force to save someone else, and if he had that power he would have used it on obi wan not padme or to revive padme by stealing obi wans life force. sith cannot do force healing because it requires a selfless act

My interpretation is that she was hooked up to the machines because she was choked to the point of losing consciousness by Anakin so they med-droids feared for the health of her unborn children so were monitoring her carefully before during and after the birth. Sith 'magic' was then used to drain her life force after the birth of the twins, the droids had no medical explanation for what was happening so came to a conclusion that made sense to them within their programming.

The scene was deliberately left open to interpretation which is one of the things I like about it so your version can still work, from a certain point of view.

 

[JAWS]

I agree that darth vader had to die in the ot, he could never truely redeem himself, in the real sense of the word he had committed too many atrocities, but he could stl save his son. The st ****ed up with ben solo by striping away any accountability for his actions by saying it was all snoke (or palps or ****ing dr who in his head manipulating him) he had really no control over his his actions (Unlike anakin who did he he made his own choice to slice off maces hand) it was just snoke in bens head the whole time then he explicitly kept telling Him to kill han solo his father so he could be a true sith (or in snokes mind rid him of his one weakness that could turn him back to the light), in that sense ben solo did not have to die, he was not evil he was simply a manipulated puppet- he could have been redeemed

Bucky in the mcu is a good example, he was brainwashed like kylo he is not a bad guy he just wasnt in control of his actions, someone else was. Vader on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing, he was in control of his actions, he just lost sight of what he was doing it for

Ben was still responsible. Ben chose to follow bad advice.

The Emperor was in Anakin's head also.. Just not literally. But he was undermining the Jedi every chance he could basically ****ing with Anakin's head.

Both mad self serving choices in the end that lead them down the dark path.

Kylo's path was much more selfish though.. It was all for him..

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

My interpretation is that she was hooked up to the machines because she was choked to the point of losing consciousness by Anakin so they med-droids feared for the health of her unborn children so were monitoring her carefully before during and after the birth. Sith 'magic' was then used to drain her life force after the birth of the twins, the droids had no medical explanation for what was happening so came to a conclusion that made sense to them within their programming.

The scene was deliberately left open to interpretation which is one of the things I like about it so your version can still work, from a certain point of view.

there is nothing wrong with that interpretation except for the fact that if he had that power he wouldn't have drained padme he would have drained obi wan, plus the minute he found out she died he would have just revived her using some poor souls life force. The vampire type lifestealing is what palpatine is referring too, you can save the ones you love by drawing the lifeforce from someone else effectively killing them- Palps wasn't lying no jedi could teach Anakin this cause they wouldn't teach any jedi such a horrible thing, the force healing we saw in TROS is jedi healing which again requires a selfless act. The sith way= steal life force from others killing innocents in the process or Jedi Healing-give up your own life force in a selfless act to save someone but in doing so you give up your own life

 

[user 64404]

But padme was already on the ship and hooked up to life support by that point. I think its more or less he snapped her neck when chocking her but George thought it was too dark so he created that ******** "lost the will to live reason" or that second reason "he funneled her life force but again Anakin was a sith at that point, it would break all continuity" sith cannot heal they are unwilling to give up their life force to save someone else, and if he had that power he would have used it on obi wan not padme or to revive padme by stealing obi wans life force. sith cannot do force healing because it requires a selfless act. He had not yet learned the power of darth Plageus the wise vamping and leaching the life force from others, that's how he avoided death. He would willingly sacrifice another human being by stealing its life force, jedi wouldn't do that an Anakin hadnt yet learned this power, this is the power Palpatine was hoping that him and Anakin (the chosen one) could unlock together. Palps never did learn it before he died so he came up with plan b then plan c then plan f (the Sequel trilogy)

Its impossible for him to break her neck, Anakin would NEVER do that and Obiwan checked and confirm she was fine after he release her to start the duel, she was still alive even after the babies were born, she was being drained by Palpatine(or Vader unconsciously).
It was not Force Heal it was Force Drain, Palpatine and all the sith used this power to extend life thats why all sith gets deformed.
Link explaining force drain ability: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force_drain

Its way more easy to drain Padme than Obi-wan because he has Force Shield
In the Clone Wars Anakin learned Force Drain in Mortis
Actually i can say this for absolute certain, Anakin is the one who drains Padme, Palpatine was telling the truth in ROTS and the Vader comics of this weeks confirms it

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Ben was still responsible. Ben chose to follow bad advice.

The Emperor was in Anakin's head also.. Just not literally. But he was undermining the Jedi every chance he could basically ****ing with Anakin's head.

Both mad self serving choices in the end that lead them down the dark path.

Kylo's path was much more selfish though.. It was all for him..

No he was literally being brainwashed like bucky. This is why it was so hard for him to kill Han solo, and he even asked him for help, its also why the act of killing han actually weakened him because he didn't want any of it, he was a puppet. Notice how bucky couldn't kill cap even when he was brainwashed its the same ****ing thing only difference is han actually helped ben do the act by grabbing the saber and saying "anything son", cap just laid there and basically said im in it for the long haul bucky which even in bucky's brainwashed state snapped him out of it for a split second. Obviously it didn't go down exactly the same way but its all pretty much brainwashing. You are not in control of yourself if someone is manipulating your thoughts to the point you are not longer making your own conscious decisions-both bucky and kylo fall into this category

 

[Prime Clone]

The scene was deliberately left open to interpretation which is one of the things I like about it so your version can still work, from a certain point of view.

I like the "diverting life force" theory, it "rhymes" with Ben's sacrifice at the end of TROS.

But I wish these things were spelt out, same with Anakin's true origin. I need certainty dammit!

 

[user 64404]

I like the "diverting life force" theory, it "rhymes" with Ben's sacrifice at the end of TROS.

But I wish these things were spelt out, same with Anakin's true origin. I need certainty dammit!

Anakin was born out of Sith magic by Darth Plagueis its on the Darth Plagueis novel and in the Vader Disney comics

 

[Prime Clone]

Are you sure your in the right thread, the BVS thread is like 5 doors down on the right side of the main page. Say there is no place like home then click your heals three times and the forum will instantly take your there

This *was* a BvS thread just a few pages back

For the record, I have no problem with Battfleck's portrayal. It showed us an older Batman driven to ultra-violence by (a) decades of futile crimefighting and (b) the emergence of a superman who emasculates him.

Anakin was born out of Sith magic by Darth Plagueis its on the Darth Plagueis novel and in the Vader Disney comics

Yes, ROTS heavily hinted it was Plagueis or Palpatine. But the Plagueis novel is no longer canon and the Disney comics hinted it was Palpatine, only for the Story Group to come out and say that's not for certain.

 

[user 64404]

This *was* a BvS thread just a few pages back

For the record, I have no problem with Battfleck's portrayal. It showed us an older Batman driven to ultra-violence by (a) decades of futile crimefighting and (b) the emergence of a superman who emasculates him.








Yes, ROTS heavily hinted it was Plagueis or Palpatine. But the Plagueis novel is no longer canon and the Disney comics hinted it was Palpatine, only for the Story Group to come out and say that's not for certain.

Plagueis unintentional created Anakin trying to manipulate the living Force with sith magic, Palpatine discover Anakin after TPM and like the comics show, he took Anakin under his wing like a father figure since.

 

[Bravomite]

This *was* a BvS thread just a few pages back

For the record, I have no problem with Battfleck's portrayal. It showed us an older Batman driven to ultra-violence by (a) decades of futile crimefighting and (b) the emergence of a superman who emasculates him.








Yes, ROTS heavily hinted it was Plagueis or Palpatine. But the Plagueis novel is no longer canon and the Disney comics hinted it was Palpatine, only for the Story Group to come out and say that's not for certain.

The Story Group's ability to contradict itself is insignificant next to the power of my head canon! The Plagueis book exists and I chose to accept that version. I don't need a group who collectively appear to have less knowledge or love of the source material than me dictate what I must and must not accept is canon that day.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Plagueis unintentional created Anakin trying to manipulate the living Force with sith magic, Palpatine discover Anakin after TPM and like the comics show, he took Anakin under his wing like a father figure since.

That was implied but not confirmed and like prime said they retconned it out. Palps was never a father figure to anakin he saw him as a means to an end, he was using him just like his clone “son” err I mean son

 

[user 64404]

That was implied but not confirmed and like prime said they retconned it out. Palps was never a father figure to anakin he saw him to a means to an end, he was using him just like his clone “son” err I mean son

Dude He is the one who would talk to anakin wherever he got problems in the training that's in the recent comics too, thats why the council asked Anakin to spy on Palpatine. He was Anakin father figure just like Obi-wan.
I am not 100% sure but he is the one who gave Anakin his brow leather robes.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Dude He is the one who would talk to anakin wherever he got problems in the training, thats why the council asked Anakin to spy on Palpatine. He was Anakin father figure just like Obi-wan.
I am not 100% sure but he is the one who gave Anakin his brow leather robes.

My point is he was never a father figure to anakin, fathers dont manipulate their sons into becoming evil for their own selfish means. Do fathers do this where you come from??

 

[Bravomite]

Dude He is the one who would talk to anakin wherever he got problems in the training, thats why the council asked Anakin to spy on Palpatine. He was Anakin father figure just like Obi-wan.
I am not 100% sure but he is the one who gave Anakin his brow leather robes.

I agree that Anakin’s relationship with Sheev was a father son dynamic. That’s some good manipulation on Palps part as he knew Anakin lacked a parental figure having been separated from his mother and then Qui-gon. Obi-wan was only ever an older brother to Anakin (one who initially viewed looking after him as a burden).

 

[user 64404]

I agree that Anakin’s relationship with Sheev was a father son dynamic. That’s some good manipulation on Palps part as he knew Anakin lacked a parental figure having been separated from his mother and then Qui-gon. Obi-wan was only ever an older brother to Anakin (one who initially viewed looking after him as a burden).

Yes i agree with you, but i think the relationship between Obiwan and Anakin, started as a burden and grow to brothers and in the end he treatened Anakin like a son, ignoring his mistakes and responsabilities to the Jedi order.
I would even say that he would even betray the Jedi order to protect Anakin and Padme.(if anakin remained in the light side of the force)

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Of course he preyed on that but palps was not father figure to anakin from his point of view, maybe anakins. Had quigon not died he would have had a father figure but he died so palps swooped in to prey on an anikans love of his family and twist it for his own purposes

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Is keneth Reiner a father figure? Maybe to alison mack but to most people in thier right mind who hadnt been brainwashed no he isnt anything close, he used the actress for his own selfish means. Like all cult leaders

 

[user 64404]

Of course he preyed on that but palps was not father figure to anakin from his point of view, maybe anakins. Had quigon not died he would have had a father figure but he died so palps swooped in to prey on an anikans love of his family and twist it for his own purposes

Palpatine saw Anakin as vassal, but for him to gain Anakin confidence he treat Anakin like a son, giving advices and stuff.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Palpatine saw Anakin as vassal, but for him to gain Anakin confidence he treat Anakin like a son, giving advices and stuff.

Before the tros retcon palps did not see him as a vessal he saw him as a threat. He was the chosen one that was supposed to destroy palps, his mission was to turn him so that prophecy would not come to pass. When anakin joined him he got greedy, he thought if they work together they would be able to unlock Plageus the wises secret. Then when obi wan ****ed him up, he was not longer a threat to palps (one lightning bolt could fry his circuits) he wanted a replacement for vader. Then luke came along, at first he saw him as a threat but vader convinced him he would be a great asset if he could be turned- thats when palp was like oh great idea he is perfect replacement for you.