Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

Here is a-dev watching XII

That cat gif is me internally decanonizing each moment as it occurs

Wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong-maybe-wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong!!!!

 

[jye4ever]

I’m still laughing at a-dev decanonizing at seizure speed

 

[ironwez20]

The same was true of TFA - domestic box office champ, 93% on RT. It was only later (not unlike ROTS) that people started picking it apart. And let's be honest, if RJ hadn't subverted expectations with TLJ and alienated so many SW fans, those same fans would have likely been more forgiving of TFA's derivative plot. Regardless, its being perched at the top of the all-time box office list means it won't be "buried and forgotten" anytime soon.

I?m sure it will. Lots of artist and singers hit billboard top 100 and they are forgotten within a year. That doesn?t matter. Look at avatar. Nobody cared after 2009

 

[Wor-Gar]

Plenty of huge movies that just disappeared off people's radar. Happens all the time, especially with Oscar favorites.

 

[jye4ever]

The Green what.

 

[SwedishHeat]

We will have to wait and see what happens with the younger generation and their feelings towards these films. I doubt they will have the issues we all had / have.

I think the key difference between the ST and the PT, in regards to the relative hate, is that the PT was targeted towards kids, or at least 'all ages'. The ST was made for grown-up Star Wars fans. There's no one left to 'grow up' loving the ST.

There's still a lot of love for The Clone Wars, but the Resistance cartoon is done, and I don't think there are any plans to continue telling stories in the ST-era. We know the next big push is in the High Republic era, so there's really nothing there to carry on the ST banner, the actors are more or less distancing themselves from the films. Meanwhile the Obi-Wan series is on the horizon.

It just doesn't look good for the future of the ST stuff.

 

[The Buffinator]

I?m sure it will. Lots of artist and singers hit billboard top 100 and they are forgotten within a year. That doesn?t matter. Look at avatar. Nobody cared after 2009

That's hardly a valid comparison. TFA is the ALL-TIME box office champ, not just for a particular year. And these days NO MOVIE is talked about or cared about the following year - everyone is always moving on to the next new thing. That's just the nature of the entertainment industry. People may not care about TFA going forward, but like Avatar and Titanic before it, it will be remembered every time there's a chance that a new film might challenge it for box office supremacy. That's the point I was making when I said it wouldn't be buried and forgotten anytime soon. And in our new pandemic-marred reality, it could be quite a while before any film comes close to reaching those box office heights again.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I await the next Disney trilogy that makes us all look back at the ST with found memories.



I can hear it now: at least the ST was well acted, at least it had the OT cast, at least it was competently directed, at least it didn't look so cheap, at least it had John Williams score, at least it wasn't made for 8 year olds, etc...

I think Star Wars is telling of the pop-culture of its era. The first trilogy came after out after Jaws and the 1970s. It was a time of more freedom for creative control, the concept of the big special effects block buster, and some amazing Sci-Fi.

The late 1990s/early 2000s was the first phase of the CGI blockbusters. You had the Matrix and such that pushed CGI boundries not seen since Jurassic Park for blockbusters. You also had the LOTR and Titanic. But generally, it was an era of decreasing quality of scripts, and throwing out more and more CGI to get the masses to pack in masses. The Mummy and Armageddon are two movies I can think that start to rely heavily on CGI to draw an audience into the theater. The prequels, while pushing newer technology, had uninspired direction (characters talking in front of green screens barely moving), and lackluster scripts.

The new trilogy is well into the prime of the CGI blockbuster, which has become the norm and expected. Studios invest now 150 million into each of these movies now at a minimum, and expect +500million grosses to be considered not a failure. Studios now are much more involved in the making of the films, and the director being able to express a vision very rare or limited. The movies often show photo-realistic CGI often, and are screened privately multiple times to test the movie. These movies rarely suffer from bad casting, its usually poor writing, or more accurately generic writing. The goal is to appeal everyone, which is often appealing to nobody. Often, the movies are remakes, or reboots, or re-imagining of the blockbusters and media popular 30+ years ago, to get the 30-50 year old to show up to the theater to spend money on nostalgia.

The sky-walker trilogy matches this current philosophy. The CGI is tighter, the acting is better, and the scripts a bit more polished then the prequel era. But overall, its bland, uninspired, and empty. It feels like a better movie than the prequels because its crafted to hit certain surface level impressions of what a good movie should look like. They just aren't memorable movies, since its artificially sweetened. It is trying to remind you of what a cola tastes like since its been so long, but those of us that see enough movies know the taste of aspartame. When the last jedi goes off in another direction, part of the reaction isn't that we are going from one flavor to another, but the whole enterprise feels unfocused and not giving us at least the nostalgia flavor we signed up for.

Really Star Wars is just a representation of the rehash, generic corporate product we come to expect. Many loved the prequels, and many love this trilogy. In time we will see CGI Mark Hamel and CGI Harrison Ford on crazy adventures in photo real movies, since nostalgia levels will ramp up so high we need movies based on decades old content using actors that have already passed at that point. Sure some people will hate it, but plenty of Star Wars fans will be looking forward to Luke Skywalker and Iron Man fighting Captain Hook.

 

[ironwez20]

That's hardly a valid comparison. TFA is the ALL-TIME box office champ, not just for a particular year. And these days NO MOVIE is talked about or cared about the following year - everyone is always moving on to the next new thing. That's just the nature of the entertainment industry. People may not care about TFA going forward, but like Avatar and Titanic before it, it will be remembered every time there's a chance that a new film might challenge it for box office supremacy. That's the point I was making when I said it wouldn't be buried and forgotten anytime soon. And in our new pandemic-marred reality, it could be quite a while before any film comes close to reaching those box office heights again.

Huh. Joker and endgame are still talked about . And yea it reached that height but no one is going to care when it gets beat. Once the next movie beats it the remembrance will set in about that forgettable star wars trilogy. Same thing happened to avatar. It got remembered cause TFA best it then slinked back into obscurity. And I?m sure once movies open again the next big thing will beat it easily.

Also let?s be real. It?s only there cause it was a continuation to the best sci-fi franchise of all time and people thought it was the start of a great trilogy .

 

[The Buffinator]

Huh. Joker and endgame are still talked about . And yea it reached that height but no one is going to care when it gets beat. Once the next movie beats it the remembrance will set in about that forgettable star wars trilogy. Same thing happened to avatar. It got remembered cause TFA best it then slinked back into obscurity. And I?m sure once movies open again the next big thing will beat it easily.

Also let?s be real. It?s only there cause it was a continuation to the best sci-fi franchise of all time and people thought it was the start of a great trilogy .

Well TFA was released in December of 2015 and yet here we are, talking about it. I didn't say it would be remembered fondly or that anyone would care, just that it would be remembered. And outside of DC diehards & Joaquin Phoenix's immediate family, I'm betting TFA will be discussed more in 2025 than Joker. It's a Star Wars movie, after all, Hell, the ST/PT debate will likely still be raging here, and you just know that come 2027 Prime Clone will have us rank all the films again for SW's 50th anniversary.

As for the "next big thing" beating it easily - If Endgame couldn't take it down, it's going to take something extraordinary to top TFA. Plus until there's an effective COVID vaccine available, no one (with a brain) will be eager to sit amidst a bunch of strangers in a crowded theater. And if the theaters aren't crowded, the movies being screened won't be setting any records.

 

[jye4ever]

Well TFA was released in December of 2015 and yet here we are, talking about it. I didn't say it would be remembered fondly or that anyone would care, just that it would be remembered. And outside of DC diehards & Joaquin Phoenix's immediate family, I'm betting TFA will be discussed more in 2025 than Joker. It's a Star Wars movie, after all, Hell, the ST/PT debate will likely still be raging here, and you just know that come 2027 Prime Clone will have us rank all the films again for SW's 50th anniversary.

As for the "next big thing" beating it easily - If Endgame couldn't take it down, it's going to take something extraordinary to top TFA. Plus until there's an effective COVID vaccine available, no one (with a brain) will be eager to sit amidst a bunch of strangers in a crowded theater. And if the theaters aren't crowded, the movies being screened won't be setting any records.

Holy crap great point about box office records but I think eventually going to the movie theater will return to normal that is unless more bio weapons continue to be manufactured and released.

But yeah I guess these current box office records are not going to be dethroned anytime soon.

lol at 50th anniversary

 

[hellgrammite00]

Well TFA was released in December of 2015 and yet here we are, talking about it. I didn't say it would be remembered fondly or that anyone would care, just that it would be remembered. And outside of DC diehards & Joaquin Phoenix's immediate family, I'm betting TFA will be discussed more in 2025 than Joker. It's a Star Wars movie, after all, Hell, the ST/PT debate will likely still be raging here, and you just know that come 2027 Prime Clone will have us rank all the films again for SW's 50th anniversary.

As for the "next big thing" beating it easily - If Endgame couldn't take it down, it's going to take something extraordinary to top TFA. Plus until there's an effective COVID vaccine available, no one (with a brain) will be eager to sit amidst a bunch of strangers in a crowded theater. And if the theaters aren't crowded, the movies being screened won't be setting any records.

I mean the Phantom Menace is still talked about. Heck, showgirls is still brought up every now and then. I actually re-watched it yesterday and can't decide if I like it or not. The movie attacks me like its a triple-agent.

TFA will get less remembered, and more grouped into the Kennedy Trilogy, as I refer to it.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Tfa will always be remember as part of the st instead of being judged on its own merits, if it was a one off like rogue one or even solo it would be remembered fondly but because of its association with the garbage that followed it will forever be remember as part of that crappy disney trilogy. Like sith is remember as being the last movie in the crappy PT. Had sith been a one off movie i guarantee it would have been viewed much differentLy, but the damage was already done to the film by atoc and pm (eg the garbage that proceeded it)- its the opposite for TFA since that was the best movie in the st but its been completely destroyed by the garbage that followed all goodwill lost- and like sith-will be remember not for its own merits but as being part of that garbage trilogy for all eternity.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

The ST is indeed unforgettable.

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[hellgrammite00]

Tfa will always be remember as part of the st instead of being judged on its own merits, if it was a one off like rogue one or even solo it would be remembered fondly but because of its association with the garbage that followed it will forever be remember as part of that crappy disney trilogy. Like sith is remember as being the last movie in the crappy PT. Had sith been a one off movie i guarantee it would have been viewed much differentLy, but the damage was already done to the film by atoc and pm (eg the garbage that proceeded it)- its the opposite for TFA since that was the best movie in the st but its been completely destroyed by the garbage that followed all goodwill lost- and like sith-will be remember not for its own merits but as being part of that garbage trilogy for all eternity.

TFA felt recycled and unfocused, but it had potential, especially with those actors. But the follow-up movies went in different directions, and it really wasn't much of a trilogy (technically yes, but not thematically.) With the sequels not delivering, it makes the good will people had towards TFA disappear. It is a shame, since the actors were all solid. But at the end of the day, we got handed a story that didn't mean or really close anything, and was a story we didn't need to be told. The prequels at least fleshed out a story we all wondered about, how Anakin became Darth Vader. The Kennedy trilogy gave us the overarching story of....the emperor making snokes in a jar. The Skywalker trilogy ended with ROTJ in my mind.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wonder if TFA had instead been called The Revenge of Palpatine if it would have appeared to have a more cohesive trilogy.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I wonder if TFA had instead been called The Revenge of Palpatine if it would have appeared to have a more cohesive trilogy.

Jar Jar Snoke is the better title. People would have been debating that for years. People be like 'nah, that doesnt mean he actually came from a jar!'

 

[a-dev]

I wonder if TFA had instead been called The Revenge of Palpatine if it would have appeared to have a more cohesive trilogy.

That would have been weird considering Episode III was called Revenge of the Sith. But then again the whole storyline was so repetitive anyway why the hell not.

 

[hellgrammite00]

That would have been weird considering Episode III was called Revenge of the Sith. But then again the whole storyline was so repetitive anyway why the hell not.

Thinking about it, it really isn't the skywalker saga, its the palpatine saga.

 

[jye4ever]

TFA should have been: Little Annie Awakens

TLJ should have been: Salt and Wounds

TROS should have been: The Revenge of Shmii