Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

After watching this SW mess play out over the last few years, both on screen and on this forum...IT FEELS GOOD TO WIN!

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[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I thought you would like that one

 

[jye4ever]

Anyone who expects me to DISREGARD a SW movie that has Hamill, Ford and Leia in them while simultaneously wanting me to worship ROTS is OUT OF THEIR FREAKING MIND!

 

[abake]

You guys really take "he said, she said" to a new level...

 

[Khev]

Part of me still wishes Rey turned out to be Vader who joined up with Luke and both killed the emperor then they ruled the galaxy like father and son just like Vader wanted in ESB but in a good way.

Just this time it is hottie Vader and son.

Dude I'm just going to repost this as a reminder to why TROS warts and all will always be an epic homerun for me:

Dude I can't even begin to describe how blown away I am by TROS's "horror" elements. In fact I decided to do some hunting in Google (since this site's Search is utter crap) to pull up some musings that go all the way back to when TFA was still in theaters. Check out this exchange from February 2016:

Quote Originally Posted by Khev View Post
I can't help but wonder if Kylo will fashion himself a true Vader suit (accurate to the OT) to wear by Episode IX.
Quote Originally Posted by rushmore223 View Post
So, that will basically make him a cosplayer?
Quote Originally Posted by Khev View Post
Yes but in the tradition of those 80's slasher flicks where some troubled kid puts on the hat/mask of the main killer. Kylo already crossed into a bit of F13 Pt 2 territory with the "relative's head on a shrine" deal, maybe he'll go all the way.

It'd certainly be a way for Disney to keep the suit relevant/current.
Quote Originally Posted by rushmore223 View Post
Wouldn't have ever thought it possible to draw parallels between Friday the 13th and TFA.
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Holy ****, maybe REY will put on Vader's suit to get Kylo to lower his guard so Finn can finish him off!

"You have done well Grandson, now kneel..." *slice!*

Can you imagine getting a ****ing Rey Vader figure in a few years?
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I really kind of want to see Darth Rey now.

Actually in all seriousness I could see it playing out this way:

Rey dons Vader's costume. Pretends to be Vader, approaches Kylo. Kylo lets down his guard and reaches out to his beloved grandfather. Rey runs the son of a ***** through with a lightsaber. Kylo's last few seconds of life are spent in anguish as he believes he is being murdered by the one he loves the most. Poetic justice for what he did to his dad.


And then October 2018: "Ever since TFA I've said that if it were up to me Rey should pull a "Ginny" from Friday the 13th Part II and put on Vader's mangled mask to **** with Kylo's head long enough to run him through."


Then in TROS we get:

compared to:

_______________________

Distracted by the silhouette of his mother:

long enough for the girl to run him through.

So Kylo pretty much got defeated in the exact way that I wanted to see him taken down from day one. Never in a million years did I actually think I'd get my wish in a Disney produced Star Wars flick but holy crap here we are.

But then with the *added* twist of him getting redeemed and reconciling with his dad before heading off to join forces with Rey against Palps so that I could get the *other* ending that I always wanted by seeing Force twins taking on the Emperor. And I thought all of the above was pretty much perfectly executed so that's just the icing on the cake.

Granted those were some pretty out there directions to take the story so I get why many were turned off by it but damn, to say that I got what I wanted would be the understatement of the decade, lol.

 

[a-dev]

Anyone who expects me to DISREGARD a SW movie that has Hamill, Ford and Leia in them while simultaneously wanting me to worship ROTS is OUT OF THEIR FREAKING MIND!

They lose me with the second, madness I agree. But the first I have no problem with. Otherwise I'd have to love Terminator Dark Fate and accept it as canon.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

They lose me with the second, madness I agree. But the first I have no problem with. Otherwise I'd have to love Terminator Dark Fate and accept it as canon.

Luke and leia were in rots granted they were babies but they were there lol. Atleast the baby luke didnt break his character, he had just as much screen time in the st. That 2 minute shot of hammil staring at rey in tfa, whoever that was in tlj it definately wasnt luke skywaker from the ot- sure it was mark hammil but who gives a **** if the character is unrecognizable. Maybe we will find out it was really the emperor using a new st force power to project himself as jake skywalker. MH was also in the flash tv show doesnt mean i have to like it cause he played toy man, it wasnt luke so who ****ing cares.

Opps i meant to quote jye

 

[JAWS]

And yet what you did above is the textbook definition.

Maybe there are other posts that support your case, but in this instance

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Not sure I agree with you Buffy.. I dont see a problem with what Turd wrote.

"truth is right there in black and white"

"This is" "something taken out of context"... "There are more posts in this thread such as these. I only quoted what was pertinent to the discussion at hand, which is that the ST".... "had a plan"....

Anyone who expects me to DISREGARD a SW movie that has Hamill, Ford and Leia in them while simultaneously wanting me to worship ROTS is OUT OF THEIR FREAKING MIND!

I don't care so much that the core three were in the films.. I am not sure I would have like the films any more or less with them in it.. I do however have issues with people who talk about the lack of quality of the films while propping up the PT..


Having said that, that is the same issue that the PT seem to have.. They just can't imagine someone enjoying this series while hating on the PT.


Peeps like a-dev are really the only ones who are right.... They hate both PT and ST

 

[TheDucky]

Yep, so many people these days really are all about the narratives made up in their own heads instead of the truth aren't they.

Says the guy who literally picks and chooses what is or what isn't cannon to apply to the ST... and re-writing the entire saga to fit with the ST.

The fact that Toys Sell well means nothing about the quality of the movies.. That is where the argument lies.

Thing is, ultimately the quality of the movies don't matter when they will be all but forgotten and unloved. That is why merch sales matter. It shows how loved a trilogy still is. How much it resonates with someone. PT is still alive and well... and still will be 50 years from now just as the OT is.

You definitively can not say the same about the ST. It will be some little niche cult like following. It's like the Home Alone franchise. Everyone loves the first two, nobody cares about the rest. That's how the ST will be remembered.

ROTS > JAWS!

Filoni > JAWS/RAIDERS era Spielberg!

ROTJ Han > TROS Han!

Doomcock Momma > Yo Momma!

Exactly. Look at all those truths. Now you are getting it Jye!

Interesting how you only picked the portion of his original post that supports your narrative.



Maybe you should have actually taken the time to read the ENTIRE post that you tracked down? He said there was a plan mapped out, but then clearly states that Disney didn't follow that plan with TROS due to their getting cold feet from TLJ's reception, making the trilogy feel disjointed as a result. If you did read all of it, exactly what part do you disagree with??



Per the evidence provided above, no back pedaling required. I don't see any claim that the ST as seen on screen played out exactly as Disney planned it, which is what you're implying was stated.

Moving the goal posts now. The argument was that the ST had a plan or any semblance of the plan, not "playing out exactly as Disney planned." Colin had a script, doesn't mean Disney had a plan. If they did, Colin would have got his movie!

Maybe YOU should read the rest of Khev's post. You even bold the part that destroys your counter argument

Here it is: "but it isn't because they were making it all up as they were going."

THEY WERE MAKING IT UP AS THEY WENT ALONG. Per the Daisy interview. Always changing her lineage. Oh she is a Skywalker, now she is a Kenobi, now she is a Palpatine.



Come on.

They didn't even have a plan for TLJ per Rian. Just made it up. They didn't map out their story at all for anything.

All they did was rush to market without taking some time to think things through, all to cash in.

Interesting how one could continue to deny when the truth is right there in black and white.

This is not something taken out of context. There are more posts in this thread such as these. I only quoted what was pertinent to the discussion at hand, which is that the ST never had a plan, and Kennedy is completely incompetent.

Thank you. No idea why continue to deny deny deny. Nothing was taken out of context. We aren't moving goal posts.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Not sure I agree with you Buffy.. I dont see a problem with what Turd wrote.





I don't care so much that the core three were in the films.. I am not sure I would have like the films any more or less with them in it.. I do however have issues with people who talk about the lack of quality of the films while propping up the PT..


Having said that, that is the same issue that the PT seem to have.. They just can't imagine someone enjoying this series while hating on the PT.


Peeps like a-dev are really the only ones who are right.... They hate both PT and ST

The st would have been better for me if they werent in the movies at all especially luke and leia, i was fine with hans arc he was the only OT character they didnt really destroy in the process

Tfa is a very well made movie and decent star wars film
Tlj is a well made movie but terrible star wars film
Tros- isnt well made nor is it a good star wars movie- its had some cool imagery and bens redemption was handled really well - Adam driver is the best part of this movie

PM- definately not a well made movie but its a decent star wars film for lore and world building
Atoc- terrible movie dialog and acting, not a good star wars movie whatsoever
Sith- well made movie outside of balcony scene and vader “noooooooo”, And good star wars lore

 

[JAWS]

The st would have been better for me if they werent in the movies at all especially luke and leia, i was fine with hans arc he was the only OT character they didnt really destroy in the process

Tfa is a very well made movie and decent star wars film
Tlj is a well made movie but terrible star wars film
Tros- isnt well made nor is it a good star wars movie- its had some cool imagery and bens redemption was handled really well - Adam driver is the best part of this movie

Interestingly enough... My fav of the three is TROS and thats the one were the core three are in it the least.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Interestingly enough... My fav of the three is TROS and thats the one were the core three are in it the least.

For me its

Tfa is by far the best but it mislead me into thinking star wars was in good hands for that i sort of hate it now
Tros its better then last jedi thats all i can say lol
Tlj- utter disaster, i almost walked out of the theater same feeling i had watching atoc

 

[JAWS]

For ST fans only...

Pretty much everything I liked or loved about the ST in one cool video.

 

[chewblacca]

I don’t know how relevant this is but this is the idea for episode 7 as done by Michael Ardnt. https://www.quora.com/How-different...-if-screenwriter-Michael-Arndt-had-never-left Would this have been better or worse that what we got?

 

[ironwez20]

Interesting how you only picked the portion of his original post that supports your narrative.



Maybe you should have actually taken the time to read the ENTIRE post that you tracked down? He said there was a plan mapped out, but then clearly states that Disney didn't follow that plan with TROS due to their getting cold feet from TLJ's reception, making the trilogy feel disjointed as a result. If you did read all of it, exactly what part do you disagree with??



Per the evidence provided above, no back pedaling required. I don't see any claim that the ST as seen on screen played out exactly as Disney planned it, which is what you're implying was stated.

Then maybe you should go back and read what was written . It?s not that damn hard to find really. Read ducky?s post. Guy said it set up perfectly and now saying it?s not. If you want proof go back and read what the guy wrote

 

[ironwez20]

No it wasn't

Yea I don?t get that dude either. If he wants proof then he should just scour the thread for khev?s 200 post about the subject.

 

[JAWS]

Yea I don?t get that dude either. If he wants proof then he should just scour the thread for khev?s 200 post about the subject.

I read what Khev wrote.. His point was that the ST was very much planned out.. BUT that they abandoned that plane.

I just figure go by what is on screen... It is obvious that the final product was not planed out from start to finish with what ended up on screen.

They had a much bigger plan with TLJ and the part 9.. Enough that the directors were even talking to each other.

But Disney got cold feet after TLJ Blow back and thankfully, for me, went in the other direction... I dont think I would have liked the planned out version.

 

[ironwez20]

Anyone who expects me to DISREGARD a SW movie that has Hamill, Ford and Leia in them while simultaneously wanting me to worship ROTS is OUT OF THEIR FREAKING MIND!

This will forever be a sad mentality. It means you?ll except actual **** as long as it caters to your nostalgia. So you are blindly buying and loving what is thrown at you even if it?s made horribly cause it has things you remember from the past.

I did the same thing with the Asm films. Spider-Man is my fav hero and I would defend his movies even tho tasm movies were **** cause it?s all I had in terms of spidermen movie content and I didn?t demand better and I thought it would t get better than this.

So as long as they cater to your nostalgic needs you?ll accept anything. Even if it?s told poorly. Unbelievable.

It?s like here is a pile of **** with specs of gold on it lol.

 

[ironwez20]

I read what Khev wrote.. His point was that the ST was very much planned out.. BUT that they abandoned that plane.

I just figure go by what is on screen... It is obvious that the final product was not planed out from start to finish with what ended up on screen.

They had a much bigger plan with TLJ and the part 9.. Enough that the directors were even talking to each other.

But Disney got cold feet after TLJ Blow back and thankfully, for me, went in the other direction... I dont think I would have liked the planned out version.

I seem to recall him saying how certain scenes worked so well and how you can tell she was a palpatine from the beginning. Idk who knows

 

[ironwez20]

Also before anyone comes in and starts crying I like to remind you guys we are having a friendly debate. No bashing or anything. Just different opinions being thrown back and forth! Lol cause some people get to uptight and think it?s to mean