Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

OMG a big hollywood blockbuster movie was altered during production say it ain’t so this is such groundbreaking news!

ZzzZzz

So when Hamill was advised that Vader was his father on the day of shooting they must have thought that up that very second right.

I guess ESB sucks now because Hamill ONLY LEARNED about that scene right before filming it.

Gee maybe Daisy like Hamill were not in the need to know group ever stop to think of that.

 

[TheDucky]

He was the MAIN one who said it was planned out. It was ridiculous. Like it was borderline insanity to think it was planned out and jye would join in also

Lol poor khev and jye. Tried desperately trying to convince themselves the franchise had a plan but it was so obvious it didn?t . Like it was sooooo obvious. Now khev is in his basement polishing his doomcock mask figuring out what to say

I pulled up the receipts. You can't make this stuff up. Khev was convinced they knew the plan for Rey in multiple comments

These comments are hilarious especially with that Daisy interview lmao!

Yep, Lucas has taken obvious glee in doubling down on the stupidest elements of his Saga. Who the hell in his right mind looks at the revised Han/Greedo scene and says "yeah, but how can I make it *worse*?"



It's such a misnomer to claim that the ST "had no plan." I'm surprised to see even you perpetuating that JAWS. They had a plan. They had the entire trilogy outlined with the endgame in sight before even RO hit theaters. Colin Trevorrow's script dated November or December 2016 literally proves this. And Trevorrow himself confirmed on Twitter that the Duel of the Fates script (and all accompanying concept art also completed over a full year before even TLJ hit theaters) was indeed his.

The ST had a more unified plan than *both the OT and PT.* Do you think Lucas had a script for ROTS and concept art a year before AOTC hit theaters? Hell no. Do you think that ROTJ was written in 1979? HELL NO, lol. Disney/LFL did their due diligence and planned out the entire trilogy well in advance.

And that plan was to have TFA seem familiar with Snoke in the Emperor's role and Kylo in Darth Vader's role. Everything appeared the same but they were "going backward to go forward." And the "going forward" part was the huge twist that Snoke would not be the Emperor for very long and that the Darth Vader character (Kylo) was going to reign supreme this time around. However Disney saw how divisive TLJ was with the new ideas it was leaning into and called an audible with TROS. "Ditch the original plan. Go back to the familiar that audiences loved so much in TFA." And so they did. And the trilogy feels a bit disjointed due to the "course correction" but it isn't because they were making it all up as they were going. Far from it.

But ROTJ ditched the entire plan that George had with ESB so it's in good company. And TROS did a hell of a lot better of changing things at the last second than ROTJ did as well.

Kids these days, lol.



Yes it is a literal fact that she was originally Rey Solana and that Kylo was going to tell her her last name right before he died in Trevorrow's script. But by all means continue to get your information from "Doomcock and the Fandom Menace" on YouTube and Twitter.

Obviously ignorance (or should I say derangement) really is bliss.

Bingo!

And this is why I am forever team Khev.

Besides team khev sounds a whole lot cooler than team ducky-wez lol

JAWS has made some amazing posts the dude is on fire and also truly bored at work BUT thank you for taking that one last Kool-aid away from him.



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I love that the STDS folks cling to their little Doomcockian narratives no matter what reality exists in front of their own eyes. "No plan." Right they only had Rey's freaking name spelled out on paper just a few months after TFA left theaters, lol.

What Khev said is right, the one that changed the plans for the sequel trilogy was TROS, the blame could be jj abrams or the executive producers that feared the backlash from TLj.
Rey was a nobody, the force choose her just like Anakin was choosen(He may be a creation of Darth Plagueis and grow under the umbrella of Palpatine but he was a nobody, a nameless slave), that why the broom boy and the Canto Bight scene is important is a message that disney wanted to pass to the public, that anyone can be destined to greatness.
The Colin Trevorrow's script dated November or December 2016, continues this and put the regular people to fight the facist First Order. Its like Luke ending the sith by saving his father and not killing Vader\Palpatine, he got rid of the EVIL but not the evil schemes of politics that gave the first order the advantage pre-TFA to destroy the new republic OR The political schemes that Palpatine used to create the empire.

This guy knows what's what.

It does appear that JJ didn't have a clear picture of how Episodes VIII and IX would go when he made TFA (but that's JJ for you) however RJ and and Trevorrow quickly devised a trajectory immediately after TFA that would have encompassed the entire trilogy. Which again means that the ST had more forethought than both the OT and PT.

Me dunkin on them...

No, they didn?t. It?s utterly hilarious how much of a fool you are making out of yourself right now

2017 Deadline Interview with RJ

Is there an overarching plot for where the trilogy goes? You obviously have The Force Awakens as a jumping off point, but is there a place you need to get to, in order to set up J.J. Abrams? Episode IX?

RJ: Not really. That?s what?s been really cool about the storytelling process. There is definitely the idea that we know it is a three-movie arc. We know the first film is an introduction, then the middle act is training, meaning challenging the characters. The third is where they all come together and you have to resolve everything.

But I was truly able to write this script without bases to tag, and without a big outline on the wall. That meant I could react to what I felt from The Force Awakens, and what I wanted to see. I could make this movie personal. I could also just take these characters where it felt right and most interesting to take them. I think part of the reason the movie feels like it goes to some unexpected places with the characters is that we had that freedom. If it had all just been planned out and written down beforehand, it might have felt a little more calculated, I suppose.


Rian Johnson Tweet from May 2017



Jurassic World?s Colin Trevorrow will take the reins from Johnson, directing and handling the script with his writing partner Derek Connolly. Though it was rumored Johnson wrote a treatment for the film, The Last Jedi director recently revealed that Trevorrow and Connolly would be working from scratch and craft their own film.

Though the news that these filmmakers are working without an overall plan for the characters in the franchise might worry some?did Abrams and Co. know who Rey?s parents were, or Snoke?s identity, or why Ben Solo became Kylo Ren?!?it?s not an unprecedented process even in the Star Wars Universe.

Article and source: https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/lucasfilm-no-plans-for-episodes-viii-ix-after-the-force-awakens/

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In May, Vanity Fair?s cover story focused on the making of Star Wars: Episode VIII ? The Last Jedi. Written by David Kamp, the very beginning of the article revealed that after Rey met Luke Skywalker at the end of The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams didn?t keep cameras rolling. And that?s because, Abrams ? one of the writers for The Force Awakens ? seemed to not know what was going to happen in the next installment. This notion isn?t a secret. The powers that be at Lucasfilm and Disney aren?t hiding this idea. Instead, the PR machine is giving the opposite impression, that the creative direction of the new Star Wars trilogy was never plotted out ahead of time.

https://www.inverse.com/article/349...jack-thorne-screenplay-cursed-child-last-jedi

 

[jye4ever]

I pulled up the receipts. You can't make this stuff up. Khev was convinced they knew the plan for Rey in multiple comments

These comments are hilarious especially with that Daisy interview lmao!















Me dunkin on them...

If a person is happy with the end results nothing you or Daisy will ever say will matter whatsoever to that person.

But by all means continue patting yourself on the back lol

 

[jye4ever]

During initial brainstorming for the ST any idiot working in that story group probably slapped a piece of paper down on the table with the names Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Luke, Palpatine and Plagueis as possible connections to Rey SINCE LUCAS ALREADY HAD COME UP WITH IT!

Boy such an impossible task so hard to write names on a piece of paper.

So impossible only the SW Theory Guy and Filoni possess the brains to accomplish such an impossible task!

Good thing Disney went with Lucas idea to end the ST with Palpatine!

Thank You Disney for going with Lucas idea.

Someone should inform the SW Theory guy about that his meltdown will look even more ridiculous lol

 

[Khev]

I don't recall Khev arguing that it was planned out

I never argued that TROS was planned from the beginning (it clearly wasn't but oh what an awesome audible to call on the last play of the game) but Colin Trevorrow's leaked script (that he himself confirmed was legit) proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that TLJ and Episode IX (Duel of the Fates) were indeed planned out before even Rogue One hit theaters. That's forethought that neither the OT nor the PT had. Forethought that obviously didn't pan out (due to Carrie's passing and fan backlash against TLJ) but that doesn't change the fact that it was indeed there.

 

[Khev]

OMG a big hollywood blockbuster movie was altered during production say it ain’t so this is such groundbreaking news!

I know right but clearly it is for some people who really should know better, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

I never argued that TROS was planned from the beginning (it clearly wasn't but oh what an awesome audible to call on the last play of the game) but Colin Trevorrow's leaked script (that he himself confirmed was legit) proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that TLJ and Episode IX (Duel of the Fates) were indeed planned out before even Rogue One hit theaters. That's forethought that neither the OT nor the PT had. Forethought that obviously didn't pan out (due to Carrie's passing and fan backlash against TLJ) but that doesn't change the fact that it was indeed there.

Disney saved the ST by going with Lucas original Palpatine idea and with how they respectfully treated Leia/Han and the rousing arcs they gave Rey/Kylo.

Was it all perfect of course not.

But let me repeat that again DISNEY SAVED THE ST with TROS!

 

[Mandible]

If a person is happy with the end results nothing you or Daisy will ever say will matter whatsoever to that person.

But by all means continue patting yourself on the back lol

Very, very, true.

But that's been the mind-numbing embarrassment of this thread; like what you like, but don't attack other people for not liking it. Don't cut off your nose to spike your face, trying endlessly to defend your stance/liking, without having any clue whatsoever of the truth; you didn't work on the film, so how could you possibly know.

Who gives a **** if anyone agrees with your opinion - did you write the film? No. What stake do you have in it, that you need to blindly defend it until your dying breath?

Anyone with half a brain/common sense/logic knew there wasn't a plan - but again, who gives a ****.

Like it. Love it. Enjoy watching it on repeat until your eyes bleed.

But this incessant need for people to ignorantly pick a side and dig the heels in, is an indictment of the current state of the human race.

Lame...

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

During initial brainstorming for the ST any idiot working in that story group probably slapped a piece of paper down on the table with the names Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Luke, Palpatine and Plagueis as possible connections to Rey SINCE LUCAS ALREADY HAD COME UP WITH IT!

Boy such an impossible task so hard to write names on a piece of paper.

So impossible only the SW Theory Guy and Filoni possess the brains to accomplish such an impossible task!

Good thing Disney went with Lucas idea to end the ST with Palpatine!

Thank You Disney for going with Lucas idea.

Someone should inform the SW Theory guy about that his meltdown will look even more ridiculous lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-palpatine-return-of-the-jedi-1202199342/amp/

“ According to Palpatine actor Ian McDiarmid, however, it was never Lucas’ intention to resurrect the villainous character.”
“I thought I was dead!” McDiarmid told Digital Spy in a recent video interview. “I thought he was dead. Because when we did ‘Return of the Jedi,’ and I was thrown down that chute to Galactic Hell, he was dead. And I said, ‘Oh, does he come back?’ And [George] said, ‘No, he’s dead.’ So I just accepted that. But then, of course, I didn’t know I was going to be doing the prequels, so in a sense he wasn’t dead, because we went back to revisit him when he was a young man. But I was totally surprised by this.”

 

[ironwez20]

OMG a big hollywood blockbuster movie was altered during production say it ain?t so this is such groundbreaking news!

ZzzZzz

So when Hamill was advised that Vader was his father on the day of shooting they must have thought that up that very second right.

I guess ESB sucks now because Hamill ONLY LEARNED about that scene right before filming it.

Gee maybe Daisy like Hamill were not in the need to know group ever stop to think of that.

Except it made sense and flowed well. You argued this had a plan from the get go and it has been proven it doesn?t and was made up on the fly cause they didn?t give a ****

 

[Khev]

Disney saved the ST by going with Lucas original Palpatine idea and with how they respectfully treated Leia/Han and the rousing arcs they gave Rey/Kylo.

Yep and call me easy to please but I even thought that Luke was treated respectfully in TROS and was just thinking the other day how cool it was that his line when he caught the saber "a Jedi's weapon deserves more respect" was basically the good guy version of Palpatine sneering at his own blade with contempt decades prior "ah yes, a Jedi's weapon, much like your father's..." Also poetic that Luke's father's weapon, the very one that Palpatine referenced, would one day be used to kill him once and for all.

Was it all perfect of course not.

But let me repeat that again DISNEY SAVED THE ST with TROS!

Nope it wasn't perfect but a homerun is a homerun whether it sails clear out of the stadium or awkwardly bounces off two players' heads, the wall, and then a fat guy ordering chips 10 rows up. It still counts!

 

[Khev]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-palpatine-return-of-the-jedi-1202199342/amp/

“ According to Palpatine actor Ian McDiarmid, however, it was never Lucas’ intention to resurrect the villainous character.”
“I thought I was dead!” McDiarmid told Digital Spy in a recent video interview. “I thought he was dead. Because when we did ‘Return of the Jedi,’ and I was thrown down that chute to Galactic Hell, he was dead. And I said, ‘Oh, does he come back?’ And [George] said, ‘No, he’s dead.’ So I just accepted that. But then, of course, I didn’t know I was going to be doing the prequels, so in a sense he wasn’t dead, because we went back to revisit him when he was a young man. But I was totally surprised by this.”

He meant Lucas' original idea for Palpatine in ROTJ silly. Obviously Lucas didn't have any idea at all for TROS, lol.

 

[ironwez20]

Disney saved the ST by going with Lucas original Palpatine idea and with how they respectfully treated Leia/Han and the rousing arcs they gave Rey/Kylo.

Was it all perfect of course not.

But let me repeat that again DISNEY SAVED THE ST with TROS!

No they didn?t ......... lmao they ruined it

 

[ironwez20]

Very, very, true.

But that's been the mind-numbing embarrassment of this thread; like what you like, but don't attack other people for not liking it. Don't cut off your nose to spike your face, trying endlessly to defend your stance/liking, without having any clue whatsoever of the truth; you didn't work on the film, so how could you possibly know.

Who gives a **** if anyone agrees with your opinion - did you write the film? No. What stake do you have in it, that you need to blindly defend it until your dying breath?

Anyone with half a brain/common sense/logic knew there wasn't a plan - but again, who gives a ****.

Like it. Love it. Enjoy watching it on repeat until your eyes bleed.

But this incessant need for people to ignorantly pick a side and dig the heels in, is an indictment of the current state of the human race.

Lame...

Nah stop. We are having a discussion. I hate when people do this. People have different views on Star Wars and can discuss them positive and negative. It?s fun debating and shooting stuff down. If everyone in this thread agreed it wouldn?t be nearly as fun

 

[jye4ever]

Yep and call me easy to please but I even thought that Luke was treated respectfully in TROS and was just thinking the other day how cool it was that his line when he caught the saber "a Jedi's weapon deserves more respect" was basically the good guy version of Palpatine sneering at his own blade with contempt decades prior "ah yes, a Jedi's weapon, much like your father's..." Also poetic that Luke's father's weapon, the very one that Palpatine referenced, would one day be used to kill him once and for all.



Nope it wasn't perfect but a homerun is a homerun whether it sails clear out of the stadium or awkwardly bounces off two players' heads, the wall, and then a fat guy ordering chips 10 rows up. It still counts!

Yes I forgot to mention Luke during my doomcock rage.

Good stuff about the lightsaber.

I lost a ton of respect for SW Theory Guy over this Daisy NON NEWS revelation I thought he was well versed in his SW history even just basic level SW history but I guess not.

 

[Khev]

Yes I forgot to mention Luke during my doomcock rage.

Good stuff about the lightsaber.

I lost a ton of respect for SW Theory Guy over this Daisy NON NEWS revelation I thought he was well versed in his SW history even just basic level SW history but I guess not.

I know right everything she says jives with what we already knew minus the little Kenobi bit.

So basically all she confirmed was that Kenobi was briefly entertained as her grandfather (probably from JJ during the writing/filming of TFA), then she was determined to be a nobody (as evidenced by both TLJ and Trevorrow's script) before the last minute audible was called that made her a Palpatine. And this is...news? lol

And lol at doomcock rage.

 

[aussiebottt]

Ahh Jye and Khev got busted big time but it's funny seeing them try to deny it. Go team Trump!

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I pulled up the receipts. You can't make this stuff up. Khev was convinced they knew the plan for Rey in multiple comments [emoji38]

These comments are hilarious especially with that Daisy interview lmao!















Me dunkin on them...

Khev: It's such a misnomer to claim that the ST "had no plan." I'm surprised to see even you perpetuating that JAWS. [emoji6] They had a plan. They had the entire trilogy outlined with the endgame in sight before even RO hit theaters.

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[JAWS]

So, Palpatine being able to broadcast his voice to an entire galaxy, because reasons, somehow isn't over the top... but cackling like an evil maniac is somehow the thing that is over the top....

I am referring to the performance... but I think you know that... you are just playing dumb.

 

[JAWS]

It makes the PT far far far more lasting, beloved, and important than the ST ever will be

Again.. Dodging the argument.. But that?s ok.