Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[xipotec]

Trust me on this.. Khev loves the OT.

He thought the last 4 episode arc was great.

And without question there is room for improvement in the ST.

Khev and I just dont see it as the massive failure you guys do.

Of course I watch the whole TCW series and think about how great the PT could have been



As for pointing out the flaws of the OT.. I think its just to point out that they are there. That its OK for the ST to have its issues because the OT did also.

I can promise you that Khev ranks the OT much higher then the ST. Much much higher.

As for defending the ST on its own.. I think ST fans have done that but people just dont like the answers.

I have seen very little defending of the PT on its own merits also.. I see a lot of.. Sure its a mess and full of mistakes and not very good but its better then the ST.


So we are back to where we always are.. People picking their poison.

Personally I happy to drink it all

I liked the ST also quite a bit. It not the OT nothing ever will be.
As much as Mando is lauded , it?s no OT either.

Personally, I find the PT deplorable and near unwatchable. Actually the only one I ever watch again is ROTS.

The other two , IMO, are trash. They had a good plot idea, and ruined it. Many feel the same about ST.

To each his own, I will say the ST hate is still way stronger than PT ever was. I don?t like the films , but I rarely rail against them post after post like some folks here.

Better not to spend so much energy on something you despise.


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[Prime Clone]

Anybody that was a nobody in the PT and ST have basically remained nobodies.

Ford may also have remained a nobody if he didn't get the roles of Indy and Deckard in quick succession.

A classic example of the young assuming that their own personal knowledge = the collective knowledge of the world.

But you shouldn't need the collective knowledge of the world to recognise a household name. I for one only knew of him from ESB and Batman.

 

[xipotec]

Imagine people laughing at us older guys because we didn?t know the names Brando, Wayne , Hitchcock or Bogart.

Oh wait they didn?t, because we knew them.....

The idea that being young somehow excuses you from seeing the greatness in older films , actors and directors is stupid. You can recognize and appreciate films before you time, during your time , and in you older years.

And most people here were not born in the 50?s.....another stupid statement.

I doubt anyone in here is over 70 or ever 60

My first experience with a film much older than me in my teens was One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest.

Made 1962, saw it around 1988. That?s a 26 year gap.


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[TheDucky]

I liked the ST also quite a bit. It not the OT nothing ever will be.
As much as Mando is lauded , it?s no OT either.

Personally, I find the PT deplorable and near unwatchable. Actually the only one I ever watch again is ROTS.

The other two , IMO, are trash. They had a good plot idea, and ruined it. Many feel the same about ST.

To each his own, I will say the ST hate is still way stronger than PT ever was. I don?t like the films , but I rarely rail against them post after post like some folks here.

Better not to spend so much energy on something you despise.


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PT hate is still going strong after 20 years. PT hate was so extreme people knew of it pre-social media days. PT hate was so strong it ruined two lives and eventually led to George selling the franchise.

Nothing will top the PT hate.

 

[jye4ever]

PT hate is still going strong after 20 years. PT hate was so extreme people knew of it pre-social media days. PT hate was so strong it ruined two lives and eventually led to George selling the franchise.

Nothing will top the PT hate.

Holy crap I agree with Ducky!

Ducky!!

DUCKY!!!

 

[Prime Clone]

The idea that being young somehow excuses you from seeing the greatness in older films , actors and directors is stupid. You can recognize and appreciate films before you time, during your time , and in you older years.

Yeah but unless you're a rabid movie connoisseur the golden oldies won't even be on your radar if they're not "household names". And that is decided by previous generations.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'd love the see the definition of "normal people" on a site dedicated to dolls.


Another interesting point if you think about it is the "old people" here have had their life and adventures and are now settling back for some nostalgia of those classics and things that truly endeared and lasted... while the young folks are here for the "what's hot now" of which most will be forgotten. Too young for nostalgia.

I mean, if this site was around in 1977 we'd be talking Star Wars and Saturday Night Fever and Smokey and the Bandit. Only 1/3 of that 'here and now" remains relevant today.

 

[The Buffinator]

Imagine people laughing at us older guys because we didn?t know the names Brando, Wayne , Hitchcock or Bogart.

Oh wait they didn?t, because we knew them.....

The idea that being young somehow excuses you from seeing the greatness in older films , actors and directors is stupid. You can recognize and appreciate films before you time, during your time , and in you older years.

And most people here were not born in the 50?s.....another stupid statement.

I doubt anyone in here is over 70 or ever 60

My first experience with a film much older than me in my teens was One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest.

Made 1962, saw it around 1988. That?s a 26 year gap.

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While I agree with your sentiments, you?re a bit off with your recollection. Cuckoo?s Nest came out in 1975, not 1962. Maybe that was when the book came out?

 

[jye4ever]

I'd love the see the definition of "normal people" on a site dedicated to dolls.


Another interesting point if you think about it is the "old people" here have had their life and adventures and are now settling back for some nostalgia of those classics and things that truly endeared and lasted... while the young folks are here for the "what's hot now" of which most will be forgotten. Too young for nostalgia.

I mean, if this site was around in 1977 we'd be talking Star Wars and Saturday Night Fever and Smokey and the Bandit. Only 1/3 of that 'here and now" remains relevant today.

From JAWS to Infinity War cinema has had a great run.

This mini covid pause is a well earned break lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

This mini covid pause is a well earned break lol

Movies and the movie experience will never be the same. Its already changed greatly without covid. There is no going back.


I hope they get rid of the 16-plex and go back to making monster movie palaces with 2x IMAX screens, 3,000 seat amphitheaters and sound that you can hear 20 miles away. I mean, if I gotta drive 25 miles and pay $50 a ticket, I want that movie to blown me away in as many ways as possible.

Otherwise, just pipe me into streaming on my 112 inch screen at home.

 

[jye4ever]

Movies and the movie experience will never be the same. Its already changed greatly without covid. There is no going back.


I hope they get rid of the 16-plex and go back to making monster movie palaces with 2x IMAX screens, 3,000 seat amphitheaters and sound that you can hear 20 miles away. I mean, if I gotta drive 25 miles and pay $50 a ticket, I want that movie to blown me away in as many ways as possible.

Otherwise, just pipe me into streaming on my 112 inch screen at home.

I agree.

But no matter how big the Imax, how sharp the resolution, how rich the color or how powerful the bass it will never equal seeing SW for the first time during summer of 77 in NY.

I wish I could reconstitute that feeling and experience it from scratch again.

The best way I can describe it was that I was confused, curious and mesmerized as soon as it started.

It was unique.

It was different.

It felt otherworldly while also feeling like my parents beat up station wagon, familiar yet still foreign.

Who and what were those all white soldiers.

Holy bad ass black dude just choked out that white dude!

 

[punisher1974]

Movies and the movie experience will never be the same. Its already changed greatly without covid. There is no going back.


I hope they get rid of the 16-plex and go back to making monster movie palaces with 2x IMAX screens, 3,000 seat amphitheaters and sound that you can hear 20 miles away. I mean, if I gotta drive 25 miles and pay $50 a ticket, I want that movie to blown me away in as many ways as possible.

Otherwise, just pipe me into streaming on my 112 inch screen at home.

I agree with the bigger screens but the movies so much quickly by being on so many screens. The huge amphitheaters where you could hear the movie outside the theater was awesome for a big movie like star wars or raiders though. I miss those days. Most movies I watch at home now instead of going to the theater. I am waiting on the new Bond film to hit theaters though

 

[Wor-Gar]

it ever equal seeing SW for the first time during summer of 77 in NY.

I wish I could reconstitute that feeling and experience it from scratch again.

The best way I can describe it was that I was confused, curious and mesmerized as soon as it started.

It is an impossible experience to describe to a generation that has had all the benefit and clutter since its release -- so much sci-fi and adventure and fantasy, for years, piling up on video -- hell, people born 20 years ago had a huge stock pile of movies to watch that most probably still haven't gotten through most 80's movies.

Before all that, Star Wars was just so unlike anything before it. Fantasy movies were few and far between. We had Bond... and the Six Million Dollar Man... but very little in the way of fantasy. Sci-Fi was Silent Running and Westworld -- bleak, cold, cruel... unless you went way back to the 50's, and all that stuff was pretty hokey. Wizard of Oz still ruled as the biggest pure fantasy movie for kids. Like Lucas said, he wanted to make a morality play for kids because there just wasn't anything like that out there. Our rules came from Dirty Harry to Dirty Dozen. One of the reasons a man is a Godzilla suit became so famous is because there was that little pure fantasy available to young kids. That junk wouldn't fly today... hell, right after Star Wars, that junk didn't fly. The world had changed overnight. Fantasy/action/adventure/sci-fi were on the menu big time.

Just go back and watch 1976 Logan's Run and compare it to 1977 Star Wars one year later -- before Star Wars that's what studios thought of sci-fi. Logan's Run is cheap, shot like a TV show, bad sets, bad costumes, bad acting, bad effects, and hokey miniatures. And as a kid I thought it was amazing. There was the future. So that same kid walked into the Chinese Theater a year later to watch some weird movie called Star Wars where I already thought they ripped off the title from Star Trek and... well, here I still am, clinging to that electricity.

I lived about 30 miles from the Chinese at the time and my grandfather took me to see it. On the way home, he said I didn't utter a word. Lost in thought the whole drive home. Went back with two friends two weeks later to sit through it twice.

 

[abake]

Yeah, Star Wars was truly a game-changer.
I don't remember the experience in the theatre that well, but I do remember the lasting impression it had on me. I had to have the comics, the books, the soundtrack and, eventually, the toys.
But before that there were the Sinbad movies with Harryhausen's beautiful stop-motion animation. Those were a wonder to me as a kid. And I also have vague memories of my father taking my brother and me to watch 2001 during some re-run in a huge cinema in Rio de Janeiro. I must've been 6 at most.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Oh yeah, how could I forget the Golden Voyage of Sinbad...

Those were great in their time for fantasy, again most were oldies but I remember the Golden Voyage comeback and was excited for more... until Star Wars.

 

[ironwez20]

You should be out chasing girls and conquering the world. What the hell are you doing here so much???

It?s Covid and I?m on my phone when I?m on here. We young and I use the term lightly when referring to me stay on our phone 24/7. Something I should probably stop doing

 

[ironwez20]

Dumbest statement off all time here on the boards

Lol I knew you?d respond

 

[ironwez20]

Sinbad...... the animated movie by dreamworks? Lol I kid

 

[Prime Clone]

But no matter how big the Imax, how sharp the resolution, how rich the color or how powerful the bass will it ever equal seeing SW for the first time during summer of 77 in NY.

I wish I could reconstitute that feeling and experience it from scratch again.

Sorry, you'll never have... the pleasure.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Lucas: Happiness is... being surrounded by yes-people in your own world

Happiness is.... selling something for 4 billion dollars