Ah, interesting then. As you mentioned AOTC > ANH, it seemed statistically likely you were younger than me. I don't hate the plot of the PT, I just dislike the execution except for ROTS, and at least the PT was its own unique thing, unlike the ST which didn't progress the storyline at all and at the end of the trilogy, we're at exactly the same place as at the end of ROTJ, except they've killed off all our original heroes in ways not befitting their statuses as cultural icons. I am very glad I didn't see TROS at the cinema.
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Biggest movie disappointments list, in order of when they hit me (each taking a chunk of soul until the killer blow was delivered by last Jedi):
1. Alien 3 (I saw it on VHS almost immediately after Aliens with no preconceived notions of how it would turn out) - circa 10 years old, it was my first one and a biggy
2. Jurassic Park 3 (saw it at the cinema, still too young for spoilers but I loved the first two movies and books, the trailer looked good and Alan Grant was back) - this one cut deep not least because I had to watch cats and dogs immediately beforehand for my younger siblings in return for watching this film so it was a powerful afternoon of bad cinema!
3. X-men 3 (my favourite comic book, favourite cartoon and until then one of favourite movie series) - seeing cyclops (my favourite character) killed by Jean at the beginning of the movie gave me alien 3 flashbacks and then it only became worse. It was so bad I refused to watch first class at the cinema and that one turned out good. At least DOFP gave me some closure lol years later.
4. Wolverine origins (with such decent source material to adapt from how do you make it suck soo bad and what they did to deadpool!).
5. Terminator 3. Recasting JC, killing Sarah off screen, making the victory in judgement day pointless and the movie was pg13 or something plus no James Cameron. Argh another franchise severely tainted.
6. Spider-Man 3 - emo spidey (which I love now) venom so mishandled and miscast, too much going on and that downer ending to the series. It didn’t hurst as bad as the others above because there was still lots of good and Rami directed so it had a consistent tone.
7. AVP - I actually persuaded friends to see this hyping it up and then they were dying with laughter in the cinema at how bad it was. It was pretty funny but such as waste of two good franchises.
8. Indy 4 - I was older and wiser by this point but was tricked into thinking this might be good because all of the original players were back. Blindsided by how bad this was.
9. Dark Tower - such an epic book series, horribly miscast and mishandled. They tried to truncate 7 massive books into one short film. It was a disgusting abomination.
10. The last Jedi. This was the last time because now I’m indifferent to everything haha. After the others this was last franchise that I really loved and it too was finally destroyed on screen like the others. Mando has done some healing but these films will only ever be canon to Khev and Jye, even LucasFilm accepts that.
1. Alien 3 (I saw it on VHS almost immediately after Aliens with no preconceived notions of how it would turn out) - circa 10 years old, it was my first one and a biggy
2. Jurassic Park 3 (saw it at the cinema, still too young for spoilers but I loved the first two movies and books, the trailer looked good and Alan Grant was back) - this one cut deep not least because I had to watch cats and dogs immediately beforehand for my younger siblings in return for watching this film so it was a powerful afternoon of bad cinema!
3. X-men 3 (my favourite comic book, favourite cartoon and until then one of favourite movie series) - seeing cyclops (my favourite character) killed by Jean at the beginning of the movie gave me alien 3 flashbacks and then it only became worse. It was so bad I refused to watch first class at the cinema and that one turned out good. At least DOFP gave me some closure lol years later.
4. Wolverine origins (with such decent source material to adapt from how do you make it suck soo bad and what they did to deadpool!).
5. Terminator 3. Recasting JC, killing Sarah off screen, making the victory in judgement day pointless and the movie was pg13 or something plus no James Cameron. Argh another franchise severely tainted.
6. Spider-Man 3 - emo spidey (which I love now) venom so mishandled and miscast, too much going on and that downer ending to the series. It didn’t hurst as bad as the others above because there was still lots of good and Rami directed so it had a consistent tone.
7. AVP - I actually persuaded friends to see this hyping it up and then they were dying with laughter in the cinema at how bad it was. It was pretty funny but such as waste of two good franchises.
8. Indy 4 - I was older and wiser by this point but was tricked into thinking this might be good because all of the original players were back. Blindsided by how bad this was.
9. Dark Tower - such an epic book series, horribly miscast and mishandled. They tried to truncate 7 massive books into one short film. It was a disgusting abomination.
10. The last Jedi. This was the last time because now I’m indifferent to everything haha. After the others this was last franchise that I really loved and it too was finally destroyed on screen like the others. Mando has done some healing but these films will only ever be canon to Khev and Jye, even LucasFilm accepts that.
I don't think I was aware of the ''On Earth...'' teaser at the time. At least I don't remember being so disappointed that it was some other planet. Mainly I was unhappy about the Newt and Hicks deaths and the lack of guns.
But as you know I've since come to love the film especially after the Assembly Cut. And A:R, AvP and AvP:R demonstrated that guns, action set pieces and bringing the creatures to Earth were not the way forward for the series anyway.
I also would have mistakenly presumed a younger age based on your AOTC preference over ANH. You're older than me.
Yep. It was just a fairly pointless series of films ultimately. The same galaxy set-up, the same stories repeated with new characters, the same ending to it all - but not before destroying the lives of the OT heroes in every conceivable way. Worth it just to see the original actors back in their roles? Not for me.
I did see TROS in the cinema just for something to do that particular day since my brother invited me. Was I disappointed by it? Well no, because I never expected to be swayed by it. I already knew I hated the general story they had gone with and was completely indifferent to the outcome. I was just passing some time. I do somewhat regret contributing to the box office but ehhh, whatever.
I may not like the PT but there most definitely was a raison d'etre to them, there was a story worth telling. And they came from the Maker himself....such as they were.
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jye4ever
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Still an awesome teaser.
But the trailer wasn’t wrong because opening night audiences still screamed…….in rage lol
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Holy crap you're right in 1992 on Earth everyone did hear everyone else screaming, lol.
But that's only because those films had terrible writers and directors. David Fincher would have never made anything like those. Imagine BR 2049 with xenomorphs but all rainy and gory like Se7en and with Sigourney and Biehn in their primes. Sigh, what could have been.
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punisher1974
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That would have been awesome for sure.
Lol...
Sounds like they were gonna do something new, then just went "ah **** it"
jye4ever
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Ahhh you did read Trevorrow’s detailed plot breakdown right lol
Can't remember if I did but explain.
jye4ever
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I love how no name parents and truck drivers that have never held political office are sweeping Woke Dem elections nationwide. Who knew TROS would be so prophetic, lol.
"How could the Resistance gather so many candidates they have no Trump."
"It's people. Just people."
"How could the Resistance gather so many candidates they have no Trump."
"It's people. Just people."
jye4ever
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I love how no name parents and truck drivers that have never held political office are sweeping Woke Dem elections nationwide. Who knew TROS would be so prophetic, lol.
"How could the Resistance gather so many candidates they have no Trump."
"It's people. Just people."
Just to circle back on this bit. Obviously no one's mind is going to be changed at this point but I disagree that the reasons you state (same stories repeated with new characters/same ending to it all) automatically makes the ST pointless. Lots of very celebrated sequels do just that in fact, whether it be James Bond, Indiana Jones, Mad Max, Star Wars, ALIEN/ALIENS, MCU or many others. Sometimes it's all about the fun of hopping on that merry-go-round again.
And I actually do think that the overall narrative had a valid enough point just for the simple reason that it addressed previously open threads from the PT and OT that were never really followed through on. "Cheating death," "unlimited power," "luminous beings who use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the Power of the Force" to name some of the big ones. All of those manifested for the first times in the Saga. Even Yoda advising Luke in ESB that "once you go start down the quick and easy path forever will it dominate your destiny." TLJ showed that no matter how powerful Luke got Yoda's warning held true compared to ROTJ which implied that Luke had permanently leveled up and would never struggle with any repercussions to his mistakes ever again.
Also the super annoying continuity error of Leia being the "other" and somehow being the new last hope if Luke failed to rescue her, even though him failing by definition meant that she'd die too. The ST allows for the (IMO) satisfying retcon that Yoda was looking ahead to Rey and not Leia which as has been discussed before is closer to what they were going for when writing the script for ESB anyway.
Plus the galaxy did end in a different place than where it was at the end of the OT since it was no longer dependent on a centralized Republic, Resistance or Rebellion to defend them from military tyranny. For the first time ever the common people of the galaxy united and learned that they could easily far outnumber, and defeat, any new such threat that might arise again. It really did allow for a definitive end so to speak to the "star wars."
Again I know that no one's mind will be changed but just thought I'd weigh in for the fun of it anyway.
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Don't justify the ST. Like Han said, "It's trash, all of it."Just to circle back on this bit. Obviously no one's mind is going to be changed at this point but I disagree that the reasons you state (same stories repeated with new characters/same ending to it all) automatically makes the ST pointless. Lots of very celebrated sequels do just that in fact, whether it be James Bond, Indiana Jones, Mad Max, Star Wars, ALIEN/ALIENS, MCU or many others. Sometimes it's all about the fun of hopping on that merry-go-round again.
And I actually do think that the overall narrative had a valid enough point just for the simple reason that it addressed previously open threads from the PT and OT that were never really followed through on. "Cheating death," "unlimited power," "luminous beings who use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the Power of the Force" to name some of the big ones. All of those manifested for the first times in the Saga. Even Yoda advising Luke in ESB that "once you go start down the quick and easy path forever will it dominate your destiny." TLJ showed that no matter how powerful Luke got Yoda's warning held true compared to ROTJ which implied that Luke had permanently leveled up and would never struggle with any repercussions to his mistakes ever again.
Also the super annoying continuity error of Leia being the "other" and somehow being the new last hope if Luke failed to rescue her, even though him failing by definition meant that she'd die too. The ST allows for the (IMO) satisfying retcon that Yoda was looking ahead to Rey and not Leia which as has been discussed before is closer to what they were going for when writing the script for ESB anyway.
Plus the galaxy did end in a different place than where it was at the end of the OT since it was no longer dependent on a centralized Republic to defend them from military tyranny. For the first time ever the common people of the galaxy united and learned that they could easily far outnumber, and defeat, and new such threat that might arise again. It really did allow for a definitive end so to speak to the "star wars."
Again I know that no one's mind will be changed but just thought I'd weigh in for the fun of it anyway.
That's your Uncle Doomcock talking.
jye4ever
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First Mandate Order taken out by the average citizen lolJust to circle back on this bit. Obviously no one's mind is going to be changed at this point but I disagree that the reasons you state (same stories repeated with new characters/same ending to it all) automatically makes the ST pointless. Lots of very celebrated sequels do just that in fact, whether it be James Bond, Indiana Jones, Mad Max, Star Wars, ALIEN/ALIENS, MCU or many others. Sometimes it's all about the fun of hopping on that merry-go-round again.
And I actually do think that the overall narrative had a valid enough point just for the simple reason that it addressed previously open threads from the PT and OT that were never really followed through on. "Cheating death," "unlimited power," "luminous beings who use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the Power of the Force" to name some of the big ones. All of those manifested for the first times in the Saga. Even Yoda advising Luke in ESB that "once you go start down the quick and easy path forever will it dominate your destiny." TLJ showed that no matter how powerful Luke got Yoda's warning held true compared to ROTJ which implied that Luke had permanently leveled up and would never struggle with any repercussions to his mistakes ever again.
Also the super annoying continuity error of Leia being the "other" and somehow being the new last hope if Luke failed to rescue her, even though him failing by definition meant that she'd die too. The ST allows for the (IMO) satisfying retcon that Yoda was looking ahead to Rey and not Leia which as has been discussed before is closer to what they were going for when writing the script for ESB anyway.
Plus the galaxy did end in a different place than where it was at the end of the OT since it was no longer dependent on a centralized Republic, Resistance or Rebellion to defend them from military tyranny. For the first time ever the common people of the galaxy united and learned that they could easily far outnumber, and defeat, any new such threat that might arise again. It really did allow for a definitive end so to speak to the "star wars."
Again I know that no one's mind will be changed but just thought I'd weigh in for the fun of it anyway.
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