Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You all are hilarious. :lol

Maybe I'll change my name to "Eopie fart." It'll work well with my being unnecessarily long-winded and leaving others feeling disturbed or queasy.

For now, though, I'll just settle for the new avatar (hopefully no one else is using it).
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Poor, poor Ben Burtt.


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Speaking of Ben Burtt . . . one of the few things about the prequels that I will always praise was the sounds. In particular, Jango Fett's seismic charges in AOTC stand out to me as one of the times where I sat in a theater and was wowed by a sound effect.



Some of the pod racing sounds (among many other PT sound effects) were really cool too; but for some reason, the seismic charges have continued to be especially impressive and memorable for me.

Thank you, Ben Burtt!!
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Both those examples are perfect!

But as much as I dislike TLJ, the use of no-sound (and blinding light) in Holdo's suicide run was also an insane moment at the cinema. I will not forget that.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I also liked the Lancaster bomber sound of Padme’s ship coming in to land on Coruscant in the opening scene of AOTC.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That wedding scene with Poe is unbelievable :lol

I had to look into it and it is indeed true... I don’t know how anyone could approve that. They ditched the old EU for that? :lol

Poor, poor Ben Burtt. To go from creating this:

to this:

Your post finally made me realize what the last issue I had with TLJ was... but I couldn’t quantify it until now, so I never mentioned it in my previous critiques. To me the movie lacked a certain ‘atmosphere’ and I finally realize that it was due to the lack of a rich soundscape unlike all the mainline SW movies before it. Something is just missing and it could be a big part of why it doesn’t ‘feel’ like a Star Wars movie to so many. It’s missing the ‘layers’ of sound SW is known for and additional cool new sounds every movie had (outside of the lobster guard armor penetration effect).

So I got into looking into it - and I’m not sure, this may be old news to everyone here, but I certainly wasn’t aware - and it turns out Ben Burtt didn’t even work on TLJ!

It seems they didn’t quite give him the respect he deserves either. In his own words:

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Disney ultimately declined to assist in arrangements for this interview. I asked Burtt himself if there’s bad blood between them since his work on The Force Awakens.
“I don’t know if there’s bad blood,” he answered. “Nobody . . . I was just never consulted or hired to do any of them (after 2015). No one’s ever told me why. No, I was told—on the new regime, I was just told, ‘Just stay in your room and make sounds and just send stuff to us. We’ll decide what to do.’” It was a change in philosophy that, Burtt thought, would “doom the whole process.”

It was a considerable demotion as well. Burtt was deeply involved in Lucas’s prequel trilogy, working as an editor and second-unit director in addition to his usual role in the sound department. “I had a lot of influence on all that,” he said. “It wasn’t always easy working with George, but at least it was one voice. And you could get his attention and have your say and present something and get a yes or a no. But it was just one person you had to get past. Not banks of different people who want to have a say.”

Burtt has a model plane, a Nieuport fighter aircraft, dangling from the ceiling; there’s a miniature cutout of Force Awakens director J.J. Abrams standing in it, waving anachronistically from the cockpit. “Matt Wood (who took over sound design on TLJ) put that there to torment me. I came in one day and he’s flying my plane.” Burtt laughed. “Anyways. That’s reality.” He also explained his decision not to use any Star Wars footage in a sound-design class he taught earlier in the year: “Then I’d have to deal with Disney.”

Burtt told the magazine that he doesn't expect to be invited to Abrams' "Episode IX" or any other future "Star Wars" film, though he did contribute to the "Forces of Destiny" series and a "Star Wars" video game. One possible reason for being pushed out of the big show, though, may be his own exhaustive work in collecting sounds may have contributed to his demise.
"They know there are big [audio] libraries that people can just click and drag things out of and make a lot of noise," he said.

With the extra time on his hands, Burtt is now at work trying to persuade the decision-makers at Skywalker Sound to turn his accumulation of physical artifacts and curiosities into a museum.
“You know that line in Indiana Jones, ‘It belongs in a museum’?” he says. “That’s me. I’m a museum piece.”

Seems another legacy SW contributor has been burned by the current regime, sad to hear.

I understand he didn’t work on RO either, and that was missing a similar aural tour de force, but not being a main episode I thought it was understandable - but I never realized that wasn’t his choice either.

However, in possibly good news, and contrary to what he felt at the time of the interview, he is listed on IMDb on sound for Ep9 (Though IMDb isn’t always regarded for its accuracy). But it’s known JJ likes him, so I hope he gets his last ride and is able to go out with a bang (made from a combinations of two unrecognizable sounds you’d never think to put together :rock)
 
Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

One thing I don't care for in TLJ is the new sound of blasters. They remind me of old Battlestar Galactica lasers. Particularly Captain Phasma shooting her hand gun at Rose and Poe and Leia shooting at the shuttle Finn and Rose stole. Those sounds just don't sound Star Wars to me. They sound very generic.

Rian Johnson must secretly be a huge BSG fan. The similarity with the episode "33", the sound of lasers, and even the gorilla walkers heads remind me of Cylons. The solid red eye and the shape of the face are very reminiscent of Cylons.

Sorry to discuss this in the wrong thread, but hearing about Ben Burtt made me think how I miss the sounds of traditional blasters used by Stormtroopers and Hans blaster. Those sounds are pure SW and not the generic sounding blasters in the ST, especially TLJ. Suddenly that makes a lot of sense. Bring back Ben Burtt!



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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rian Johnson must secretly be a huge BSG fan. The similarity with the episode "33", the sound of lasers, and even the gorilla walkers heads remind me of Cylons. The solid red eye and the shape of the face are very reminiscent of Cylons.

I’ve thought this myself many times, including the ‘33’ analogue. A lot of his visual sensibilities mesh really well with that franchise, as well as his story telling style that’s more focused on moments and subversion/twists, which is exactly what BSG is about. In addition to the cylon influences I personally felt many other things took on a more ‘hard’ sci-fi feel as well, as opposed to the usual fantastical SW elements. I won’t get into that here, but I think he’s perfect for a BSG movie on many levels.

And indeed, bring back Ben Burtt!
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I also liked the Lancaster bomber sound of Padme’s ship coming in to land on Coruscant in the opening scene of AOTC.


I don't think it was a Merlin engine sound. It's a mash up of a few things. But they did use a lot of old aircraft engine sounds for ships in the prequels, the clone drop ships for example were old biplanes diving. The sound design in the prequels was pretty fantastic all around tbf....


Edit: I just watched this again on YT and there is a hint of Merlin right before it touches down actually at 2:48.. I never noticed that before!


 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don't think it was a Merlin engine sound. It's a mash up of a few things. But they did use a lot of old aircraft engine sounds for ships in the prequels, the clone drop ships for example were old biplanes diving. The sound design in the prequels was pretty fantastic all around tbf....


Edit: I just watched this again on YT and there is a hint of Merlin right before it touches down actually at 2:48.. I never noticed that before!





Cool, thanks for the insight!
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

With Episode IX filming officially starting, and with all the talk about boycotts and SW being damaged by TLJ and Solo, I started thinking about what the expectations are for the box office results. If anyone here would be willing to post his/her prediction, I'd be really interested to see it. For context, TFA made about $2.1 billion worldwide, and TLJ made about $1.3 billion.

My own prediction: a $2.0 billion worldwide box office for Episode IX. Just a little less than TFA. And I think that kind of performance would officially end the "TLJ ruined Star Wars" logic that's a popular belief right now. I may be way off, obviously, but I honestly think the demise of Star Wars has been exaggerated.

Any other guesses/predictions for Ep9 box office? I'd love to eventually revisit predictions here (in the more immediate TLJ/Solo aftermath) to see how it all ends up by comparison. Long way away, I know; but I won't forget to check back.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I do agree that the prequel trilogy had great sound effects and Phantom Menace had a great score by Williams. Plus the Maul battles were awesome. I liked a lot of the creature designs too.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

With Episode IX filming officially starting, and with all the talk about boycotts and SW being damaged by TLJ and Solo, I started thinking about what the expectations are for the box office results. If anyone here would be willing to post his/her prediction, I'd be really interested to see it. For context, TFA made about $2.1 billion worldwide, and TLJ made about $1.3 billion.

My own prediction: a $2.0 billion worldwide box office for Episode IX. Just a little less than TFA. And I think that kind of performance would officially end the "TLJ ruined Star Wars" logic that's a popular belief right now. I may be way off, obviously, but I honestly think the demise of Star Wars has been exaggerated.

Any other guesses/predictions for Ep9 box office? I'd love to eventually revisit predictions here (in the more immediate TLJ/Solo aftermath) to see how it all ends up by comparison. Long way away, I know; but I won't forget to check back.

I think 9 will end up slightly lower than your prediction. It's the ending, which will add appeal to the casuals and unhappy campers alike. JJ is a big-moment, fan servicey director so I think the trailers and commercials will sing. But think the media hubbub over the angry nerds vs. Rian Johnson and the wet fart of Solo's box office may still be a bucket of cold water on the general audience perception of it's need-to-see factor.

Curious to see how it shakes out either way. I like Abrams and I'm rooting for him, even if I can't imagine this trilogy getting turned around for me, personally.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I think a Christmas opening and the conclusion of the trilogy will serve Episode IX well but I definitely don't see it hitting 2 billion. Even IW only just barely crossed that threshold and that's a franchise that enjoys almost universal goodwill from its fans.

I'm guessing it'll do RO-ish numbers in the neighborhood of 1.0 to 1.3 billion.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

With Episode IX filming officially starting, and with all the talk about boycotts and SW being damaged by TLJ and Solo, I started thinking about what the expectations are for the box office results. If anyone here would be willing to post his/her prediction, I'd be really interested to see it. For context, TFA made about $2.1 billion worldwide, and TLJ made about $1.3 billion.

My own prediction: a $2.0 billion worldwide box office for Episode IX. Just a little less than TFA. And I think that kind of performance would officially end the "TLJ ruined Star Wars" logic that's a popular belief right now. I may be way off, obviously, but I honestly think the demise of Star Wars has been exaggerated.

Any other guesses/predictions for Ep9 box office? I'd love to eventually revisit predictions here (in the more immediate TLJ/Solo aftermath) to see how it all ends up by comparison. Long way away, I know; but I won't forget to check back.

I'm guessing around $900 million based on the drop off between TFA and TLJ.... The only reason TFA made $2.1 billion was because it was the first Star Wars movie in a long time and they were bringing back the original cast... TFA was ok even though the whole Death Planet was rather lame. IMO the only good thing about TFA was seeing Han and Chewbacca again, I thought Rey was a decent character until she blinked and became a Jedi Master, that was rather lame... Poe and Finn acted like they were hopped up on sugar/caffeine the whole time …. I was hoping the new characters would be more fleshed out in TLJ but they weren't..

The way TLJ ended, It didn't leave you with that "Oh Man I gotta see what happens next" kind of moment like they had in Empire Strikes Back... I think a lot of people will be fine waiting for it to come out on Blu-Ray or Netfilx or something...
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Not sure what it will make but I know it won't be making anything from me, much like TLJ, although I was conned into going to see it at the cinema I have not bought the DVD or Blu ray or any merchandising (nor will I be) and although normally a Star wars film in December would be on my must see list since seeing TLJ I'll be waiting for the Nexflix release to see this.
 
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