Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Python]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Years ago, new footage for a SW film was like finding lost pages of the Bible.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"Years ago, new footage for a SW film was like finding lost pages of the Bible"

That was my reaction going on the original Star Tours ride for the first time in the late 80's. I never thought I'd ever see new live-action X-Wing/TIE Fighter footage again after ROTJ and was absolutely blown away.

Then in the early 90's watching the "From Star Wars to Jedi" video with new *old* footage (the original Han and Jabba scene) I was blown away all over again.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Well JJ Abrams joined Instagram today. He said before he was too secretive with TFA, hopefully he'll have more and more news from the set.

I think they've already proven that they're going to show their hand much more than with the past two Episodes by announcing Luke and Leia's appearance in the movie over a year in advance. I'm sure they'll drop as much info as they can to appease any disgruntled fans. Hopefully that doesn't mean they go full "BvS Doomsday trailer reveal" but we'll see.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah anything early 90’s was rather mind blowing even the printed page.

I hope first pic from IX is Rose just to **** with people lol

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That was my reaction going on the original Star Tours ride for the first time in the late 80's. I never thought I'd ever see new live-action X-Wing/TIE Fighter footage again after ROTJ and was absolutely blown away.

Then in the early 90's watching the "From Star Wars to Jedi" video with new *old* footage (the original Han and Jabba scene) I was blown away all over again.

I really still want to be like that. I'm gonna try and get hyped for IX. I need SW fandom in my life.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah anything early 90’s was rather mind blowing even the printed page.

I hope first pic from IX is Rose just to **** with people lol

You really have turned to the dark side Jye. There is no good in you.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I really still want to be like that. I'm gonna try and get hyped for IX. I need SW fandom in my life.

Awwwww how cute.

See my post above yours

Edit: you already have lol

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Awwwww how cute.

See my post above yours

Edit: you already have lol

I think Hereditary has had a seriously negative effect on you. Hail Paimon! I mean Rose, I mean KK. Hail KK!
That sounds very wrong.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It's amazing...this time last year everyone was so hyped for that thing...this time next year I will be too. Years ago, new footage for a SW film was like finding lost pages of the Bible...now it's another film. The ST really made that magic feeling disappear.

I've made this point plenty of times (and others have as well), but apparently it needs to be repeated often: for many of us, the prequels had already destroyed that "magic" of going to the theater to watch a Star Wars film. Those movies were so offensively bad to some of us that it was like being at the dentist (sometimes worse). Not so much looking forward to going, but rather just hoping it would get better. Now, there's a bunch of people who are feeling the same way about the sequel trilogy (TLJ in particular). Nothing new; been there, done that.

If I watch any of the PT movies, then follow it by watching TFA or TLJ, I'm left baffled by how anyone can feel that the ST hasn't been vastly superior in virtually every single way. But then there are fans who feel the reverse. I genuinely don't understand what they're watching, but I accept that it's their honest and true opinion/feeling. So, I would say that it's a minority of fans who have enjoyed all eight chapters anywhere near equally so far.

The OT will always be impossible to measure up to adequately. The less we compare either of the other two trilogies to what SW was like prior to 1999, the fairer it is - to those movies, and to ourselves as well.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Quiet honestly, I would never and have never entered into a Prequel quality conversation with a fellow fan who hates the movies.
But I would offer up this. The prequels felt like George Lucas. They felt like an almost cartoon version of a big story plan. I couldn't possibly say they were well made movies, but they offered up so much creative and artistic vision that they merited a lot of love from a lot of fans. The dialogue, acting and plotting was generally atrocious. But I am still are excited by watching the trailers for the PT than the entire ST so far. Dual of the fates? Battle of The heroes? Memories. New Sw that wasn't about making money. I still have a real soft spot for about 75% of Revenge of the Sith. It was like a glorious cartoon, like Clone Wars or the better spin off media.

In short they didn't damage SW for me. I never thought of them as interfering with the untouchable classics, just some great moments of VFX and music.
I loved McGregor as Obi-wan, I loved Maul, Grevious and some of the Yoda scenes. A mixed bag of quality that existed within the SW Lucas world.

TLJ was something abhorrent. Rogue One was great but a little messy. Solo was fine, fun but way too flat. TFA was exciting and promised so much more. A reboot that could have gone somewhere new - that's why most fans gave it a chance. It was cynical and an almost remake - but it set up things that were interesting - a possible new direction. Thanks to baby Rian - millions of voices cried out and then died in december. It was just wrong in so many ways, tonally, emotionally and had no basis in Lucas reality. It was the most cynical piece of SW media produced since the SW holiday special. And despite having some good moments (it did) and a fantastic role for Hamill - it was so anti-Lucas. It was a movie of our time - phone jokes and forced sex and race elements. That's not SW. Somebody should have called George and asked his opinion. I guess that sums it up really, the ST are so far a rip off of Lucas or Lucas denier in tone.

In JJ we trust (hope).

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Quiet honestly, I would never and have never entered into a Prequel quality conversation with a fellow fan who hates the movies.
But I would offer up this. The prequels felt like George Lucas. They felt like an almost cartoon version of a big story plan. I couldn't possibly say they were well made movies, but they offered up so much creative and artistic vision that they merited a lot of love from a lot of fans. The dialogue, acting and plotting was generally atrocious. But I am still are excited by watching the trailers for the PT than the entire ST so far. Dual of the fates? Battle of The heroes? Memories. New Sw that wasn't about making money. I still have a real soft spot for about 75% of Revenge of the Sith. It was like a glorious cartoon, like Clone Wars or the better spin off media.

In short they didn't damage SW for me. I never thought of them as interfering with the untouchable classics, just some great moments of VFX and music.
I loved McGregor as Obi-wan, I loved Maul, Grevious and some of the Yoda scenes. A mixed bag of quality that existed within the SW Lucas world.

TLJ was something abhorrent. Rogue One was great but a little messy. Solo was fine, fun but way too flat. TFA was exciting and promised so much more. A reboot that could have gone somewhere new - that's why most fans gave it a chance. It was cynical and an almost remake - but it set up things that were interesting - a possible new direction. Thanks to baby Rian - millions of voices cried out and then died in december. It was just wrong in so many ways, tonally, emotionally and had no basis in Lucas reality. It was the most cynical piece of SW media produced since the SW holiday special. And despite having some good moments (it did) and a fantastic role for Hamill - it was so anti-Lucas. It was a movie of our time - phone jokes and forced sex and race elements. That's not SW. Somebody should have called George and asked his opinion. I guess that sums it up really, the ST are so far a rip off of Lucas or Lucas denier in tone.

In JJ we trust (hope).

Now that’s a very fair and eloquent post.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Quiet honestly, I would never and have never entered into a Prequel quality conversation with a fellow fan who hates the movies.
But I would offer up this. The prequels felt like George Lucas. They felt like an almost cartoon version of a big story plan. I couldn't possibly say they were well made movies, but they offered up so much creative and artistic vision that they merited a lot of love from a lot of fans. The dialogue, acting and plotting was generally atrocious. But I am still are excited by watching the trailers for the PT than the entire ST so far. Dual of the fates? Battle of The heroes? Memories. New Sw that wasn't about making money. I still have a real soft spot for about 75% of Revenge of the Sith. It was like a glorious cartoon, like Clone Wars or the better spin off media.

In short they didn't damage SW for me. I never thought of them as interfering with the untouchable classics, just some great moments of VFX and music.
I loved McGregor as Obi-wan, I loved Maul, Grevious and some of the Yoda scenes. A mixed bag of quality that existed within the SW Lucas world.

TLJ was something abhorrent. Rogue One was great but a little messy. Solo was fine, fun but way too flat. TFA was exciting and promised so much more. A reboot that could have gone somewhere new - that's why most fans gave it a chance. It was cynical and an almost remake - but it set up things that were interesting - a possible new direction. Thanks to baby Rian - millions of voices cried out and then died in december. It was just wrong in so many ways, tonally, emotionally and had no basis in Lucas reality. It was the most cynical piece of SW media produced since the SW holiday special. And despite having some good moments (it did) and a fantastic role for Hamill - it was so anti-Lucas. It was a movie of our time - phone jokes and forced sex and race elements. That's not SW. Somebody should have called George and asked his opinion. I guess that sums it up really, the ST are so far a rip off of Lucas or Lucas denier in tone.

In JJ we trust (hope).

I think you just put something into perspective for me about the difference between what I hope for from SW as an adult versus when I was watching the OT as a kid. You say that you can appreciate the prequels because they offer the visuals and music you enjoy while being relatively harmless. And your comparison to ROTS being like a high-quality cartoon nails it for me. I just can't enjoy SW movies that way as an adult. I need dialogue and acting that keeps me invested in what's going on, rather than being distracted by how bad they are. I don't want high-quality cartoon movies; I want serious attempts to push SW stories beyond the superficial visuals and sounds. I appreciate deeper character motivation, and nuances, and subtle plot exposition that isn't reduced so much to appeal to kids that it makes me feel like there's nothing there for me as an adult.

The PT offended me in my 20's in a way that it probably wouldn't have when I was a kid. I wanted Star Wars to grow up with me, not just keep relying on the fact that I grew up with Star Wars.

The ST has felt more serious to me. And, yes, TFA played too much of the nostalgia card, but I didn't feel insulted by childish gimmicks, atrocious dialogue, amateurish acting, and cartoony elements. TLJ took more risks that I can appreciate. It delivered in many ways for what I look for as an adult SW fan, even if it failed miserably in a few ways as well.

I'm glad you can enjoy the prequels, and I wish I could say the same for myself. But there are things about the ST that I can appreciate for being the opposite of what the PT did that turned me off so much. That makes it hard for me to understand why a film like TLJ can be so despised by someone who doesn't also despise the prequels. But you gave me some great insight into that, so I thank you for providing your point of view.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I agree that the PT felt like George Lucas. But it was the wrong George Lucas, a mere shadow of his former self. So "feeling like" him doesn't give those films a pass for me. I think that the ST and especially RO and Solo are much more in the tradition of the OT than anything in the PT but obviously I don't expect anyone who prefers the PT to the ST to agree. I might even go so far as to say that TLJ's Luke/Yoda scene is my single favorite scene in any SW film since 1980.

One thing that I do think is pretty lame about the ST is how the Resistance keeps magically conjuring up schematics for every FO ship and base. Snap Wexley does a flyby of Starkiller Base in his X-Wing and somehow comes back with a complete technical readout, inside and out? That took two entire films (ANH and then RO) for the Rebels to gather such info on the Death Star. And then Snoke's Star Destroyer comes out of hyperspace and two scenes later Poe is pulling up holograms of the entire ship and zooming in on the one chamber housing the hyperspace tracker??? Dafuq?? There is just so little thought that was put into some pretty crucial details in both TFA and TLJ that thankfully didn't carry over to RO and Solo.

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Can't say that I really buy the "oh I'm definitely skipping the next one" prior to any trailers, reviews, etc. We'll see how many people stick to their guns when the hype train is in full effect and Episode IX is the talk of the town.

I have no way to prove it, so you'll just have to take my "internet word" for it, but I will not see this in the theater, even if a friend pays for me.

I didn't like the prequels, but they didn't offend me nearly as much cause they came before. Yes, there's a lot of ridiculously retarded stuff like Vader building 3PO and all that, but all the stuff I loved about the original trilogy was preserved.

The sequels **** all over the OT right from about 15 to 20 minutes into TFA. Around the time Rey goes from being the most attractive desert hobo that ever lived to suddenly being Super Rey. It all went downhill from there.

The prequels were groan-inducingly bad, but I really felt like when all the dust settled, they were harmless. The ST and TLJ in particular is not harmless. They made sure to destroy everything that came before it.

I don't care about Rey. Or Kylo. Or Pinn and Foe. Or the lemon butthole eyed monster. I gave them almost 5 hours and they gave me no reason to care about any of them.

The characters I cared about are dead. So why should I go back and see "how it ends?" It DID end. It's already over.

And I think a lot of people feel the same way. You call it a "loud but vocal minority" but I think it's a pretty significant number of people that have had enough and are done. I think it'll still get around a billion, but the magic is gone. TLJ severely crippled the franchise; churning out product year after year is probably what will "kill" it.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I didn't like the prequels, but they didn't offend me nearly as much cause they came before. Yes, there's a lot of ridiculously retarded stuff like Vader building 3PO and all that, but all the stuff I loved about the original trilogy was preserved.

See that mindset just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Not that it has to make sense to me since it's your opinion but still. The ST is an addendum to the "complete" story of the OT so it's easily compartmentalized away. No revelation in the ST retroactively changes any aspect of the OT. But the PT changed a crapload of the OT and took many awesome characters and made them so utterly lame. OT Luke is now the grandson of midichlorians, OT 3PO is now ESB Vader's pet droid, Fett is a lame daddy's boy with a lame new voice, OT Old Ben became a pathological liar, Yoda became a massive hypocrite and so on, I could go on for hours.

It truly boggles my mind that any self-respecting SW fan could be blind to the the unforgivable taint of the PT while loathing newer films that do none of the above. Even if you think that Old Luke is lame it's still *Old Luke.* TLJ doesn't retcon a single thing about who he was in the OT. And like I already said if you *do* hate Old Luke then just say that the story ended with ROTJ and no harm no foul.

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Which is what I do.

I choose to believe that after ROTJ Luke wasn't a whiny little *****. That Han and Leia were devoted to each other and their children. And that they continued to have adventures around the galaxy. I hated TFA for what it did to Han and Leia. Luke was still an open book at that point. Then TLJ squatted down and took a nice Cleveland Steamer right in his mouth.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Everything since the OT is gravy anyway, I just can't imagine seething with rage over any new aspect of any new film. I guess I got all my disdain out of my system with SE's and prequels.

RO and Solo are straight up great in my mind, TFA and TLJ are a mixed bag that are both ultimately enjoyable and made for some great cinematic experiences. Like most I can say that the ST hasn't gone in the direction that would have been my first choice but for whatever reason I'm able to enjoy the good without sweating the bad. And no amount of hyperbole is going to make me think that Luke's character has handled poorly which was the real make or break aspect of these new films for me.

I do agree that there were better choices that they could have made with Han, Luke, and Leia but I still love what we got and can at least respect the mindset of trying to give these old characters new life without taking most low hanging fan-service route.

And if TFA/TLJ were "Blade Runner 2049" good then everyone would have sung their praises for two weeks and then we'd have nothing to talk about but instead we have years worth of stupid ass Rose lectures and horrible FO military tactics discussions ahead of us, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See that mindset just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Not that it has to make sense to me since it's your opinion but still. The ST is an addendum to the "complete" story of the OT so it's easily compartmentalized away. No revelation in the ST retroactively changes any aspect of the OT. But the PT changed a crapload of the OT and took many awesome characters and made them so utterly lame. OT Luke is now the grandson of midichlorians, OT 3PO is now ESB Vader's pet droid, Fett is a lame daddy's boy with a lame new voice, OT Old Ben became a pathological liar, Yoda became a massive hypocrite and so on, I could go on for hours.

It truly boggles my mind that any self-respecting SW fan could be blind to the the unforgivable taint of the PT while loathing newer films that do none of the above. Even if you think that Old Luke is lame it's still *Old Luke.* TLJ doesn't retcon a single thing about who he was in the OT. And like I already said if you *do* hate Old Luke then just say that the story ended with ROTJ and no harm no foul.

This is probably my favorite ST-related post in any of these threads. Absolutely perfect! So much of what goes through my mind when I read anti-TLJ stuff is presented in your post, and stated far better than I'd ever be able to. I want to bookmark it so that I can just quote it every time one of these "ST ruined SW (while discounting the harms of the PT years earlier)" conversations comes up again; instead of just typing out my own similar, but inferior, thoughts.

I even briefly considered becoming a premium member just so I could rep you for this post. Luckily, I don't have to since you don't need anymore rep. So, instead I give you this:

Thank you, Khev!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Khev has a away of making our lives so much easier lol

Would you like a 2X or 3X Team Khev shirt.