Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Lol ok now I don’t think it was like that but the characters still suck.

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kylo is a pussie. No good reason for his turn to the Dark Side. Snoke was waisted. Poe became a propaganda device for an anti masculinity message. Know your place in the Matriarchy. Never question the wisdom of the superior sex (especially a Gender Studies teacher) or be ***** slapped for the piece of garbage mansplainer you are.

You are not very comfortable with your masculinity are you? You call Kylo a kitty? Because Holdo is a woman it's about anti masculinity? Have you kissed a girl? I am reading your personality as someone who really hates women. Probably because they reject you.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don’t think women are taking over the world I just think people don’t know how to write women characters. There have been plenty of women in media for years now, the only reason why people are so up in arms is cause the sensitivity of the internet.

If Jurassic Park came out today that line by Ellie about women inheriting the earth would make twitter go into an uproar with backlash.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I still can't believe that the most likable new actor in the new films is the one given the sacrilegious task of portraying Han freaking Solo, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Can I tell you that I was ready to throw him under the bus and now I love him as Solo!

Are you sitting?

He was a better Solo than Ford’s ROTJ Solo.

Oh man lol

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You are not very comfortable with your masculinity are you? You call Kylo a kitty? Because Holdo is a woman it's about anti masculinity? Have you kissed a girl? I am reading your personality as someone who really hates women. Probably because they reject you.

We'll see about that. Pics of myself in my game room coming soon. Probably December.

They're attempting to doom a generation of men to becoming incels. Follow the dating advice of a feminist and see what happens. Instant ******l dehumidification. Translstion just in case: Friend Zone.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What game room?

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Can I tell you that I was ready to throw him under the bus and now I love him as Solo!

Are you sitting?

He was a better Solo than Ford’s ROTJ Solo.

Oh man lol

Wow man now that you mention it I don't know that I can disagree. ROTJ Han really didn't do anything cool the entire movie and Ford himself *really* phoned it in. So let's just officially declare that the guy we never wanted in the movie we never wanted to see ended up being a better Han Solo than Harrison Ford in an actual OT film. *thud* lol

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What game room?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Wow man now that you mention it I don't know that I can disagree. ROTJ Han really didn't do anything cool the entire movie and Ford himself *really* phoned it in. So let's just officially declare that the guy we never wanted in the movie we never wanted to see ended up being a better Han Solo than Harrison Ford in an actual OT film. *thud* lol

Alden Indy movie when

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kylo is a pussie. No good reason for his turn to the Dark Side. Snoke was waisted. Poe became a propaganda device for an anti masculinity message. Know your place in the Matriarchy. Never question the wisdom of the superior sex (especially a Gender Studies teacher) or be ***** slapped for the piece of garbage mansplainer you are.

Kylo's turn to the Dark Side was all driven by Snoke. It was all a manipulation by a Dark Side master. Snoke sensed Ben's raw power and used the family connection to Vader in order to pull Kylo's strings the whole way. He made Kylo want to continue his grandfather's unfinished legacy. That's why some of the Kylo/Snoke interactions end up referencing Vader so often. Snoke keeps invoking Vader to keep manipulating Kylo into sinking deeper into the Dark Side (to prove that he's worthy of inheriting his grandfather's legacy). Snoke keeps making Kylo seem like a failure just to keep building up his anger. But Snoke created a monster that he couldn't tame.

When Kylo kills Snoke, he cuts the puppet strings. He's in charge of his own decisions and motivations now. That's the intrigue for the Kylo character heading into Episode IX: is he really Kylo Ren? Or is he really Ben Solo? Did Snoke's manipulations change him permanently? Or, now that the puppet strings have been cut, will Ben Solo be reawakened? Snoke's death was the key to setting up that part of the last chapter. So Snoke's death wasn't a waste at all, the way I see it. It was necessary. Kylo is now set up to determine how the Vader/Skywalker legacy will be defined.

No one wishes Snoke had been on screen more in TLJ than I do; trust me on that! But the story here is not about Snoke. He was a key device to drive the ST plot, but not a central character in terms of the Skywalker Saga. The story needed to shift (leading to Episode IX) more toward Kylo, who is the only actual Skywalker among the new crew (that we know of). Snoke's death served that purpose really well, imo.

And I've heard/read this same sort of analysis of Poe countless times, and I just fundamentally disagree with it. At the end of the movie, Poe is the one who takes charge in leading them out of the bunker; and Leia even tells everyone: "What are you looking at me for? Follow him." To me, that was the punctuation point for Poe's TLJ arc. He's becoming the next leader of the Resistance. The learning process for his character throughout the film was about realizing what it takes to do it most effectively. I don't see how all that stuff fits with some "anti-masculinity message" behind the Poe characterization.

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kylo's turn to the Dark Side was all driven by Snoke. It was all a manipulation by a Dark Side master. Snoke sensed Ben's raw power and used the family connection to Vader in order to pull Kylo's strings the whole way. He made Kylo want to continue his grandfather's unfinished legacy. That's why some of the Kylo/Snoke interactions end up referencing Vader so often. Snoke keeps invoking Vader to keep manipulating Kylo into sinking deeper into the Dark Side (to prove that he's worthy of inheriting his grandfather's legacy). Snoke keeps making Kylo seem like a failure just to keep building up his anger. But Snoke created a monster that he couldn't tame.

When Kylo kills Snoke, he cuts the puppet strings. He's in charge of his own decisions and motivations now. That's the intrigue for the Kylo character heading into Episode IX: is he really Kylo Ren? Or is he really Ben Solo? Did Snoke's manipulations change him permanently? Or, now that the puppet strings have been cut, will Ben Solo be reawakened? Snoke's death was the key to setting up that part of the last chapter. So Snoke's death wasn't a waste at all, the way I see it. It was necessary. Kylo is now set up to determine how the Vader/Skywalker legacy will be defined.

No one wishes Snoke had been on screen more in TLJ than I do; trust me on that! But the story here is not about Snoke. He was a key device to drive the ST plot, but not a central character in terms of the Skywalker Saga. The story needed to shift (leading to Episode IX) more toward Kylo, who is the only actual Skywalker among the new crew (that we know of). Snoke's death served that purpose really well, imo.

And I've heard/read this same sort of analysis of Poe countless times, and I just fundamentally disagree with it. At the end of the movie, Poe is the one who takes charge in leading them out of the bunker; and Leia even tells everyone: "What are you looking at me for? Follow him." To me, that was the punctuation point for Poe's TLJ arc. He's becoming the next leader of the Resistance. The learning process for his character throughout the film was about realizing what it takes to do it most effectively. I don't see how all that stuff fits with some "anti-masculinity message" behind the Poe characterization.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Alden Indy movie when

Looking forward to his "better than Ford in Last Crusade" Indy, lol.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You're saying Ford wasn't at his best in the best Indy film?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hnnnnng

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

If RIDDICK were here he'd back me up. Hrmph!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Last Crusade is my favourite Indy film and my favourite Indy performance too.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Can I tell you that I was ready to throw him under the bus and now I love him as Solo!

Are you sitting?

He was a better Solo than Ford’s ROTJ Solo.

Oh man lol

Ford in ROTJ was playing Harrison Ford and not Han Solo.. A phoned in performance if there ever was one.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You're saying Ford wasn't at his best in the best Indy film?

Last Crusade is my favourite Indy film and my favourite Indy performance too.

Eek!!

I feel a TOD rant coming on.

Never ever been a fan of TLC. I thought Ford was OK in it but his flirtations with the German chick are embarrassing (acting wise) and he is nowhere near as good as he is in the Original and TOD IMO
TLC is saved by Connery and the Tank chase. Other then that action scenes are average at best. The Motorbike chase is just a watered down version of the Mine car chase. The plane chase is KOTCS bad and the boat chase, like many boat chases, is a bore fest. Plus I hate that Indy runs around in some of those scene wearing a Tie with his traditional Indy garb..

End of my TLC rant

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

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