Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

All well and good Luke - except perhaps you should first deal with the evil jedi currently running amok and, assuming you're successful, then retire to the island in total isolation.

His decision to disappear when he did left a massive problem for his sister to deal with and ultimately resulted in Han getting killed. There was also the small matter of 5 planets full of life getting wiped out....

But again...TFA set this up. TLJ could only try to work with it.

Very true. I was obviously coming at the conundrum only from the point at which RJ became involved. I thought it was dumb for Lucas to have Dooku precede (and thereby diminish) Vader and not a great idea for Abrams to just play the same tune all over again with the FO and Kylo. But that's what RJ was left with.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But that's what RJ was left with.

True, but maybe if Johnson consulted with JJ and asked where he was headed and what his thoughts were, we'd have a better and more cohesive story. It's fairly obvious Johnson did not care. He wanted to tell HIS story, not continue someone else's. Johnson clearly has inferiority issues. He was writing TLJ before JJ even finished filming TFA. Asking JJ to slightly change his end to TFA?? That takes balls. And this all falls on Kennedy's head. Her story group did a great job on making these a collaboration of ideas rather than an individuals ideas.

Why TLJ is a mess. Yes, it started with TFA, but TLJ made what was bad in TFA even more confusing.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Maybe we should follow that philosophy in life too. Simply change the rules when ever it suits us. Everyone can live by their own ethical standards. That would be great for today's and future societies...

Wait , we do that....so do alot of countries!!

We can still wash our clothes in a river after all....

Or sacrifice goats (or people) to the gods on Sunday....

Or segregate races....

 

[Python]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So here's something. I put off watching Solo as TLJ managed to put me off of Star Wars for a while (genuinely never thought I'd say that) Fast forward to yesterday and my Solo Blu ray arrived early. I put it on with really low expectations and really enjoyed it! Nice to be able to speak positively about Star Wars again. It's just a shame that the movie tanked, it really didn't deserve to. Although TLJ very clearly had a heavy influence on that. Here's to hoping the DVD/Blu ray sales will be high enough to justify a sequel or two as I'd actually like to see more from this young Solo and Chewie.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So, Kylo had absolute hatred towards Mom, Dad, and his Uncle Luke. If Kylo new the truth about Vader and how he ultimately rejected the Dark Side and the Emperor to save his son, why didn't he have doubts about Snoke? Who he doesn't even know!!? How does a strange man convince someone to kill Dad and Mom? Because Uncle Luke betrayed him?

Why why why.....

OCD SW fan at its finest. I suffer from it also. We have been trained to want an explanation for everything that shows up in the film. I used to think Trekkies uber nerds for the same thing.

Did I can that guy who eats a saber in the cantina was a doctor? No....

Did I need to know how Obi knows how to imitate a dragon?

Why dont the Tuskin raider just kill Luke and his whole family , they certainly would overrun his “small” farm easy enough.....

It can go on forever . The big questions have answers in both ST films....you may not like them , but they are there....






Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Let's try and organize a movement where everyone who bought TLJ on Blu-ray buys two copies of Solo. I'd do it if I thought it it'd help see more young Han, Lando, Qi'ra, Maul and maybe a new Jabba who's a combination of practical puppetry and CGI.

 

[Python]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Let's try and organize a movement where everyone who bought TLJ on Blu-ray buys two copies of Solo. I'd do it if I thought it it'd help see more young Han, Lando, Qi'ra, Maul and maybe new Jabba whose a combination of practical puppetry and CGI.

I'll play. I'm very tempted to invest in a 4k player anyway. Solo is one of the blu rays I own that I'll be happy to buy another copy of on 4k. We should think up a way we can recycle the dusty TLJ blu rays to help the cause...

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Momma jokes should NEVER EVER be seen in a Star Wars movie in a Galaxy far far away. I can't get passed the opening scene with Poe and Hux.

I M up for that. As long as you also exclude fart jokes and stepping in “poodoo”

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It is proven time and time again no matter how stupid Rian Johndon got with his post reaction behavior getting all offended and unprofessional that the TLJ decisions he made were not all that egregious and he shouldn’t be blamed for Rey or Luke.

Sure blame him for Ackbar i’m right there with you.

I’ll bet he was actually against the cute kid ending and that it was a Disney mandate.

All this TLJ talk makes me want to watch it again lol

Time for a TFA/TLJ/Solo weekend.

Loki can’t wait

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I M up for that. As long as you also exclude fart jokes and stepping in “poodoo”

Agreed, none of this should be in Star Wars.

BUT, at least those scenes had an animal farting with a 9 year old in them. I read that in Johnson's brief outline for JJ in EPIX, he suggested that General Hux should fart in Kylo's new helmet when he's not looking.

After all, who doesn't like a good fart joke?!!! Much more mature than yo momma jokes.

And as for poodoo? Well everyone know's what it's like to step in poodoo. It's happened to the best of us.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It is proven time and time again no matter how stupid Rian Johndon got with his post reaction behavior getting all offended and unprofessional that the TLJ decisions he made were not all that egregious and he shouldn’t be blamed for Rey or Luke.

Sure blame him for Ackbar i’m right there with you.

I’ll bet he was actually against the cute kid ending and that it was a Disney mandate.

All this TLJ talk makes me want to watch it again lol

Time for a TFA/TLJ/Solo weekend.

Loki can’t wait

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I'd rather watch paint dry. .....

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Wow, thanks cerealkeller! That's very high praise.

I hope you never shy away from debating me on anything though, my views are just as biased and opinion-based as anyone else's here and it's just fun to talk about these things. The more the merrier.

If I disagree with you I won't not want to debate because at least it's not about bringing political nonsense/feminist agenda/yada yada garbage that constantly gets brought into every Star Wars topic. Just tired of it.

I think the only real thing we disagree about is Revenge of the Sith. And that's a topic for another day when I can actually attempt to explain why I think it's a very watchable film [emoji56]


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[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rian Johnson didn't put Luke on that island after having spent years in exile because he felt responsible for what happened with his nephew. JJ did that. Is a-dev the only other person around here who understands that?

Rian Johnson didn't have Rey use mind tricks on a Stormtrooper and beat Kylo in a lightsaber duel before meeting a single Jedi. JJ did that.

Even C-3PO and R2 get mentioned in your post for being relegated to background extras. Were they not more prominent in TLJ than TFA!? Let's see: in TFA, C-3PO says hi and shows his red arm; in TLJ, he actually has several interactive scenes throughout the film. In TFA, R2 is "sleeping," or "in a coma," or . . . something; in TLJ, R2 has one of the best scenes of the ST in the Falcon with Luke.

But, yes, the unceremonious Ackbar death is all on Rian Johnson. He could've, and should've, done better with that. I agree.

I continue to be surprised by how many people forget that TFA established Luke as having turned away from everyone and everything he was supposed to care about. For years!! Can someone please explain to me how TLJ could have taken Luke and brought him back to being the "good ol' Luke" without completely making him look stupid for being gone all that time by just having some young girl show up and change his mind? Please give me a non-ridiculous scenario for bringing "good ol' Luke" back after he'd been set up in TFA as having left everyone behind just as the First Order was starting to assert their power in the galaxy (when he'd be needed the most).

And how did Rey become more powerful in TLJ? By lifting rocks? At least in her only power struggle with Kylo (the two of them fighting for control of the lightsaber), it was a draw. Unlike TFA, where she defeated Kylo soundly!

I guess it's just too much fun to crap on TLJ for everything people don't like about the ST; even when TLJ didn't actually create those scenarios that are being objected to.

[emoji120] amen brother. JJ put Luke there. Rian was forced to explain why Luke Skywalker was in an island while his friends and family were struggling to survive and the First Order being able to rise so powerful they were a real threat to the Republic.

If Rian hadn't had Luke turn himself off from the Force that would have really killed his character for me. By having Luke go the island, turn himself off from the Force and believing the Jedi needed to end so badly he didn't go help like he wanted to, Rian actually saved the character of Luke Skywalker. The film has the backbone of a broken hero who at the end does the right thing. He saves the Resistance, confronts his nephew in a pacifistic way, and become A New Hope for the galaxy.

I know many people do not like this ending for Luke Skywalker. You cannot please everybody especially when some of us have seen him as our hero. TLJ humanized my hero, showing that even the ones we look up fail. But in the end we can always try to be a better person, dust ourselves off and do the right thing.

I'll be honest, TLJ made Luke Skywalker not just my hero I grew up with, but his arc from ANH to TLJ made Luke my favorite character of all time. Luke is not just the hero I grew up admiring anymore. I as an adult to can still look to his hero's journey as an inspiration to learn lessons from.

Rian Johnson did that for me so despite some flaws in the execution of certain parts of the film, TLJ has become tied for my 2nd favorite SW film.



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[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I want to see the Force ghost of Anakin Skywalker in 9. I don't care if Hayden Christensen plays him. It's the last of the Skywalker saga films. Not having Anakin make an appearance would make it seem less like his virgin birth/Chosen One story which started this whole thing less important. Are they going to address this?

Hayden could be fine as an actor directed by Abrams. He is competent, he just needs a good director as many other films he was actually pretty good in. I think it would be great if it was Anakin who appears to Kyle Ren. Perhaps attempt to make him see how his anger has not made him more powerful, but has actually prevented him from reaching his full potential. I'm not a writer so I'm not saying that what it should be at all, but if they truly ending this saga, and they acknowledge the prequels are canon, it just seems to me they should try and weave the story back to where it started.




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[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Last few pages....

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh well.
It was a good run!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

And then he deletes his post.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What'd I miss, lol.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I responded to cerealkellers post talking about me and then I deleted it so as to not derail your conversations. Burn if that was really the concern the 2 members above would've deleted theirs.

Okay fair enough.