Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ok , well time to throw my hat into the ring with these masterbaters.....I mean Debaters....

Here’s the problem with the logic of Hyperspace.

In ESB , Vader hires Fett to find the Falcon, Fett knows he’s hiding on the ship, and pursues him. Somewhere along the way, Fett realizes he heading to Bespin. And communicates this to Vader, who then arrives BEFORE the Falcon and Fett.......

If no tracking was done except line of sight by Fett, how did he know where they were heading? A wild guess because there is “not much there”?

Seems like you wouldn’t radio to Vader where the Falcon was going till you were positive.....any thing else could be lethal...

So how did Fett have the time to communicate where they were going to give them enough time to hyperspace jump ahead of them?




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Ironically enough, Fett would've likely used a form of active tracking. :lol He would be employing a computational system that would lock onto the Falcon and determine its probable heading based on its current trajectory. As the Falcon moves through space, the vectors are analyzed to form the most likely continued path of the ship. That path can then be cross-referenced with likely destinations in that direction.

Ultimately, Fett would have to make a judgment call well in advance of the Falcon approaching Bespin in order to contact the Empire and give them assurances of Solo's likely destination. But, it'd be an informed judgment call based on his computational tracking.

Either way, it's best not to think too much about this kind of stuff because then you start realizing that this was happening at sublight speeds (like at least part of Luke's journey to and from Dagobah, as that's all we ever see on screen), which then makes the amount of time spent so disproportionate to the visual and narrative context given to the audience. It's like how people like to assume that Luke spent weeks training on Dagobah, but forget how that means he'd be shaving daily and giving himself a haircut. When it's only him and Yoda on an isolated swamp planet. Kinda weird. :)

Getting nitpicky with any Star Wars film is never a good idea. ;)
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I still like the idea of Fett remotely "hacking" in to Han's navi-computer so he receives the coordinates as soon as Han types them in. He's bounty hunter, he must have tons of tricks and gear.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

All good stuff guys, but the point is .....

It was never explained how.....

The question we have to ask ourselves is why do we need a how now? Brown cow?




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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

L3 would never allow that, right ajp?

:chase

Unless Fett had a thing with her before she met Lando....

Maybe thats the reason Fett hates Han so much.


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Soon I will have a new ally in the upcoming Episode IX battles. One far younger, and more powerful. ajp, troll jye. Troll him now. Do it.

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ajp:
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Exactly one year left to go for EpIX.

One thing I'm hoping to see: Kylo's death be an epic one.

One thing I'm hoping not to see: lightsaber-wielding Force ghost(s).

General expectation: a kick-ass movie that wraps up the saga in a satisfying way.

General fear: too many rehashed OT themes again, and questions left unanswered.


Lol her expression! Lol

Yeah, it's hilarious! Well done, jye. Another masterpiece! :clap

After the lightsabers slice, and her head is on the floor, she'll still manage to keep talking though. :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Because supposedly in Leia and Finn's mind that would be the only *possible* way they could be tracked through hyperspace. A rational non-insane human being doesn't immediately assume an impossible explanation when there are unlikely alternatives that actually *are* possible.

1. They realize they're being tracked through hyperspace (which happens all the time in SW.)
2. They know hyperspace tracking requires a homing beacon.
3. Find the damn beacon. :)

"Yes it would be impossible...without a homing beacon...planted by someone working for the First Order...." *all heads immediately turn and look at the ex-Stormtrooper standing in their midst.*

Why was there absolutely no rational discussion of physically possible scenarios even theorized at all? Like an FO droid sneaking onto the Falcon on Starkiller and then hiding with the Resistance when it landed, or investigating whether Phasma snuck a tracker into Finn's jacket, or again, whether Finn really wasn't who he claimed to be.

In the standalone films (RO and Solo) the characters are always thinking two steps ahead because those are the types of moves that characters smart enough to survive would make. Like the Alliance questioning whether ex-Imperials like Bodhi or Galen Erso were merely pretending to help them in order to lure them into an ambush. Or if Galen's daughter had similar secret motives. Val urging Beckett to anticipate Enfys Nest's next move, young Han planning for Beckett's double-cross. And so on.

But TLJ Leia never even attempts to explore all rational options. She just states that the FO magically can track a ship through hyperspace just by seeing it and is correct because that's what RJ put in the script. The fact that she's rewarded for her ridiculous assumption doesn't make her assumption any less ridiculous in the first place.

Imagine for a moment the scene in Return of the Jedi where Leia met Wicket in the forest. And then suddenly a laser blast shot out of the trees forcing her to dive for cover. Imagine if Wicket could speak English and said, "the trees are shooting laserblasts! But that's impossible." And Leia says, "Yes, and they've done it." She'd have to be an absolute moron to come to such a conclusion rather than just assuming that there's a sneaky Imperial lurking in the woods that she wasn't aware of. Of course if RJ wrote ROTJ then not only would she state that the trees were shooting at her but she'd actually be right! :D

No offense Kev but the levels of nitpicking is getting to the point of "really? That's what is being nit picked now?" All movies have leap of logic to serve a narrative purpose. While I don't care at all about the assumption about eh hyperspace tracking I will say that I thought the same thing about nobody assuming Finn was the reason they were being hunted. And I think that would have added much more drama than "let's go to the casino! Yay!!"
Having Finn and Poe (the only one besides Leia who trusts him and doesn't immediately condemn him as a spy) be the ones to go and disable the tracker in my opinion would have been a much better mid plot.

But I wish Wookiee helped the rebellion take down the empire in Jedi. Point is done is done. We either like the movie or we don't. I'm willing to take the greatness in it over my mild misgivings with how they got there. Again, always love reading your thoughts because they are so insightful and bring up so many points I never thought of. But the hyperspace tracking assumption really feels like the most minor issue someone could have about this movie.


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes I know I'm rubbing fellow fans of the film the wrong way by posting less than favorable observations which is why I made one post in spoiler tags and would have left it at that if ajp didn't want to debate it to high heaven. :D

TLJ is still just a single year old so there are bound to be new things noticed here and there and Leia stating point blank that being tracked through hyperspace should be impossible when it's been done many times (a minimum of twice to her directly no less) finally hit me as being out of character in my mind in a way that I don't particularly like. That's all. I just wish more care had been taken in writing her lines. Even if she even said something like: Finn: "They tracked us through hyperspace. But that's impossible." Leia: "Yes it is impossible. Without a homing beacon. But they can't have a homing beacon. There's no way. This must be something new." Anything to at least give lip service level respect to the knowledge that should be forefront in her mind. But the way the scene plays it's as if the very concept of ships appearing out of hyperspace hot on their heels is an utterly unthinkable concept until she witnessed it with her own eyes.

*shrugs*

Yes we all have our levels of what we let slide and obviously for you, ajp, and others the dialogue surrounding the FO tracking isn't even worth mentioning. I'm fine with you counting my criticism as a nitpick, but over-analyzing these films is what I *do* my friend. ;)
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I definitely participate in the nitpicking. I'm not doing it to troll people. I've really never experienced a movie that falls apart more every time I think about it. And I'm not talking about "which spaceship is faster" type stuff...just basic logic and character stuff.

That said, I am always game to read someone's positive thoughts if they're interesting and well articulated.

I have no expectations for 9 because I honestly don't know what the stakes are but I hope it's good.
 
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