Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

She was amazing but Selma was a goddess.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

She was amazing but Selma was a goddess.

I assume you mean Salma Hayek.... and she still is...

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hahmanah hahmanah hahmanah

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I gotta say, the revelation in the new comics that Sidious, not Plagueis, conceived Anakin has changed my whole perception of whether Snoke needs to be anyone but a random darksider.


Question is, will Palpatine factor in to Ep IX at all to tie up the saga?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I gotta say, the revelation in the new comics that Sidious, not Plagueis, conceived Anakin has changed my whole perception of whether Snoke needs to be anyone but a random darksider.


Question is, will Palpatine factor in to Ep IX at all to tie up the saga?

Conceived how?

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Conceived how?

By a power which some would call “unnatural” presumably.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Dear Prime,

IX will have what disgruntled fans wanted in TLJ.

Snoke alive and back story fully explained.

Rey has an important heritage.

Luke returns.

Rose and big nose lady dies a horrible death.

Arms dealers to the rescue.

Younglings in slavery get killed by a sith.

Ackbar dies saving Lando.

Leia never flew in space she was a projection.

Knights of Ren battle.

Then when it all unfolds onscreen they will all act surprised.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Dear Prime,

IX will have what disgruntled fans wanted in TLJ.

Snoke alive and back story fully explained.

Rey has an important heritage.

Luke returns.

Rose and big nose lady dies a horrible death.

Arms dealers to the rescue.

Younglings in slavery get killed by a sith.

Ackbar dies saving Lando.

Leia never flew in space she was a projection.

Knights of Ren battle.

Then when it all unfolds onscreen they will all act surprised.

What about Benicio Del Toro, Finn, and Poe?

 

[punisher1974]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What about Benicio Del Toro, Finn, and Poe?

Orgy on the sidelines with Jar Jar and Maz Brown Eyes Kanata

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rey has an important heritage.

I'd settle for this and/or her connection to Luke's saber explained.

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I just hope Big Nose Lady gets an important subplot that takes up about a third of the movie.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'd settle for this and/or her connection to Luke's saber explained.

I get where you're coming from, Prime; and if JJ retcons Rey's lineage reveal from TLJ, I'll have no problem with that. But . . . isn't Rey being called to the lightsaber at Maz's similar enough to Luke being drawn to the tree cave on Dagobah?

When Luke was drawn to that cave, and a vision/revelation was waiting for him there, it wasn't because he had some family connection to anything in that place. And that scenario didn't need any specific explanation; we just accepted that the Force was sending Luke a message. It certainly wasn't a message he had been asking for, wondering about, or expecting.

So, is Rey being called to the trunk/box at Maz's really all that different? Why does the lightsaber need to have a lineage connection to Rey in order for the Force to get her attention through it? Kenobi was the one calling her by name in that TFA vision, and telling her that these were her first steps. He's part of the Force now, so it could just be that the lightsaber itself is imbued strongly enough with the Force to be used as a beacon to reach out and send a message to this new potential Jedi. Like how the tree cave was used in ESB.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Supposedly when Like is handed back his saber in IX the whole narrative comes to complete stop and we then proceed to watch him he give the saber a full 3 minute passionate embrace.

JJ is going to fix soooo many wrongs!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

the Force was sending Luke a message...

...Kenobi ..he's part of the Force now, so it could just be that the lightsaber itself is imbued strongly enough with the Force to be used as a beacon to reach out and send a message to this new potential Jedi...

*Luke is not available right now, please leave a message after the tone*

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I get where you're coming from, Prime; and if JJ retcons Rey's lineage reveal from TLJ, I'll have no problem with that. But . . . isn't Rey being called to the lightsaber at Maz's similar enough to Luke being drawn to the tree cave on Dagobah?

I would say so, yes. For decades we never had *any* explanation as to why the Dark Side of the Force was randomly concentrated in that one cave in Dagobah. But it served as an interesting test with a foreboding indication of how things might play out should Luke fail. I think in the 90's I learned that there was an EU story saying that a powerful Sith had been killed in that cave which caused the Dark Side to linger there.

Luke's hand being slice off was such a pinnacle moment in the Light Side/Dark Side battle that I can accept his saber being imprinted in a similar manner.

With regard to Episode IX though I can't help but feel that the ST just continues to stray further and further from what Lucas himself wanted which I'm realizing *is* of some importance to me. Yes I dismiss AOTC and ROTS which he himself created but to me "true" Star Wars involves his ideas and or input but with others actively helping him to bring it to full fruition. Help that he rejected when making the PT.

I wonder why Kennedy didn't more fully embrace his story treatments for the ST. So he wanted a younger cast that delved into the microbiotic aspect of the galaxy. Isn't what what we're now seeing to fascinating effect in the Ant-Man and possibly AEG films with the Quantum Zone? It was something that they could have at least explored while only vetoing ideas that went truly off the rails. Yes George needed to be taken out of the equation with regard to calling all the shots, the PT clearly showed that he was not fit for such a task. But 86ing his ideas completely (or at least 99% of them?) I'm not gonna lie it's making it harder and harder for me to recognize TFA and TLJ as true continuations of *his* Saga.

RO and Solo fit very nicely in with not only the OT but George's PT as well, *plus* they had enough of his goodwill that he visited the sets for each film and they even made him enthusiastic enough to give a choice suggestion or two which were then fully implemented into the final films. It really helps knowing that those two flicks were "Lucas Approved."

Long story short I have immensely enjoyed the experiences of watching TFA and TLJ on the big screen with my kids and at home but if IX doesn't going "microbiotic" in any way, shape or form then I'm going to know that this new trilogy is a mere parallel take on what the true ST would have been. I feel like George should be as excited about these new films as Stan Lee was all the MCU flicks, despite them not matching his original comics exactly. They were still close enough that Stan felt like they were honoring his legacy. That obviously hasn't been the case with TFA, TLJ and George and for me at least, I think it really needs to be. They've got one more chance so it'll be interesting to see how they play it.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh man Clown it’s like we metaphysically connected across great distances to post what we did lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh man Clown it’s like we metaphysically connected across great distances to post what we did lol

Force connection all thanks to

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I would say so, yes. For decades we never had *any* explanation as to why the Dark Side of the Force was randomly concentrated in that one cave in Dagobah. But it served as an interesting test with a foreboding indication of how things might play out should Luke fail. I think in the 90's I learned that there was an EU story saying that a powerful Sith had been killed in that cave which caused the Dark Side to linger there.

Luke's hand being slice off was such a pinnacle moment in the Light Side/Dark Side battle that I can accept his saber being imprinted in a similar manner.

With regard to Episode IX though I can't help but feel that the ST just continues to stray further and further from what Lucas himself wanted which I'm realizing *is* of some importance to me. Yes I dismiss AOTC and ROTS which he himself created but to me "true" Star Wars involves his ideas and or input but with others actively helping him to bring it to full fruition. Help that he rejected when making the PT.

I wonder why Kennedy didn't more fully embrace his story treatments for the ST. So he wanted a younger cast that delved into the microbiotic aspect of the galaxy. Isn't what what we're now seeing to fascinating effect in the Ant-Man and possibly AEG films with the Quantum Zone? It was something that they could have at least explored while only vetoing ideas that went truly off the rails. Yes George needed to be taken out of the equation with regard to calling all the shots, the PT clearly showed that he was not fit for such a task. But 86ing his ideas completely (or at least 99% of them?) I'm not gonna lie it's making it harder and harder for me to recognize TFA and TLJ as true continuations of *his* Saga.

RO and Solo fit very nicely in with not only the OT but George's PT as well, *plus* they had enough of his goodwill that he visited the sets for each film and they even made him enthusiastic enough to give a choice suggestion or two which were then fully implemented into the final films. It really helps knowing that those two flicks were "Lucas Approved."

Long story short I have immensely enjoyed the experiences of watching TFA and TLJ on the big screen with my kids and at home but if IX doesn't going "microbiotic" in any way, shape or form then I'm going to know that this new trilogy is a mere parallel take on what the true ST would have been. I feel like George should be as excited about these new films as Stan Lee was all the MCU flicks, despite them not matching his original comics exactly. They were still close enough that Stan felt like they were honoring his legacy. That obviously hasn't been the case with TFA, TLJ and George and for me at least, I think it really needs to be. They've got one more chance so it'll be interesting to see how they play it.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Supposedly when Like is handed back his saber in IX the whole narrative comes to complete stop and we then proceed to watch him he give the saber a full 3 minute passionate embrace.

JJ is going to fix soooo many wrongs!

I can't wait to hear John Williams' scoring of that tender scene.

I would say so, yes. For decades we never had *any* explanation as to why the Dark Side of the Force was randomly concentrated in that one cave in Dagobah. But it served as an interesting test with a foreboding indication of how things might play out should Luke fail. I think in the 90's I learned that there was an EU story saying that a powerful Sith had been killed in that cave which caused the Dark Side to linger there.

Luke's hand being slice off was such a pinnacle moment in the Light Side/Dark Side battle that I can accept his saber being imprinted in a similar manner.

Long story short I have immensely enjoyed the experiences of watching TFA and TLJ on the big screen with my kids and at home but if IX doesn't going "microbiotic" in any way, shape or form then I'm going to know that this new trilogy is a mere parallel take on what the true ST would have been. I feel like George should be as excited about these new films as Stan Lee was all the MCU flicks, despite them not matching his original comics exactly. They were still close enough that Stan felt like they were honoring his legacy. That obviously hasn't been the case with TFA, TLJ and George and for me at least, I think it really needs to be. They've got one more chance so it'll be interesting to see how they play it.

Two things:

1.) Please no microbiotic storylines in Ep9. I am begging the Universe that JJ not go down that road.

2.) Lucas actually called and spoke with Rian Johnson during the filming of TLJ. I think he also spoke with RJ after he saw the film. I have no idea what was said either time, but I'd be curious to know if Johnson has shed any light on that. There's a lot in TLJ that seems similar (to me, at least) to concepts that Lucas had outlined for Luke in drafts/suggestions for the ST as he would've constructed it.