Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
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Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I think their conversation went something like this:
RJ: “Hi George heeee heeee heeee heeee”
GL: “Listen to me you freaking giggling little panzy if you and your producer partner girlfriend there ever step foot at my house I will have my plus size daughter beat the living snot out of both of you!”
RJ: hee hee hee hee hee hee
I think their conversation went something like this:
RJ: “Hi George heeee heeee heeee heeee”
GL: “Listen to me you freaking giggling little panzy if you and your producer partner girlfriend there ever step foot at my house I will have my plus size daughter beat the living snot out of both of you!”
RJ: hee hee hee hee hee hee
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I can accept TFA more easily than TLJ because it at least had an OGer like Kasdan Sr. helping pen the dialogue and aspects of the story which clearly reverted back to alternate ideas for ROTJ. So I still like that TFA is kind of the bittersweet ROTJ that had Han dying and Luke being more forlorn that we might have gotten had Kurtz and Kasdan had their way. It both scratches the itch of wanting to see that version of ROTJ and simultaneously makes me appreciate the cheesy upbeat version that we *did* get in 1983 even more.
Exactly which brings me back to TLJ and an arrogant, petty, reactionary dweeb who was given a prequel-esque level of carte blanche on what he wanted to do with the story. Is TLJ watchable and enjoyable? As I've said many times, yes. But whenever I'm not watching it I can't help but feeling like I'm cheating on the real Saga by associating myself with it, lol. It has that "morning after shame" attached to it even if the experience of two-timing was fun in the moment, lol. I'll allow it as a one-off departure but Abrams better bring it back to something that Lucas endorses big time in order for it to remain something I see myself as continuing to align with.
I can accept TFA more easily than TLJ because it at least had an OGer like Kasdan Sr. helping pen the dialogue and aspects of the story which clearly reverted back to alternate ideas for ROTJ. So I still like that TFA is kind of the bittersweet ROTJ that had Han dying and Luke being more forlorn that we might have gotten had Kurtz and Kasdan had their way. It both scratches the itch of wanting to see that version of ROTJ and simultaneously makes me appreciate the cheesy upbeat version that we *did* get in 1983 even more.
Exactly which brings me back to TLJ and an arrogant, petty, reactionary dweeb who was given a prequel-esque level of carte blanche on what he wanted to do with the story. Is TLJ watchable and enjoyable? As I've said many times, yes. But whenever I'm not watching it I can't help but feeling like I'm cheating on the real Saga by associating myself with it, lol. It has that "morning after shame" attached to it even if the experience of two-timing was fun in the moment, lol. I'll allow it as a one-off departure but Abrams better bring it back to something that Lucas endorses big time in order for it to remain something I see myself as continuing to align with.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
It hasn't derailed the MCU. SW could have even been "first" to go there as it's been a setting largely untouched since The Fantastic Voyage and Innerspace. The Falcon was pretty much "microbiotic" anyway compared to that big Kessel Kracken, imagine enormous battles filled with those things. *Shrugs* Maybe it would have all sucked but I'm not gonna lie, it stung to read George saying "I gave them my treatment of the microbiotic trilogy, I wished they'd used it so that at least the Saga could have ended the way I always intended." Ouch. Maybe the microbiotic stuff was yet another one of George's WAY after the fact retcons and would have tarnished the story even more than the SE's and the PT.
But it would have at least allowed the Saga to end the way it began, with George's direct ideas with others weighing in, tweaking them, and so forth. With someone else writing the dialogue, directing the actors, and going "practical" as much as possible with the effects, I think we could have had a real winner that appealed to all aspects of the fandom, OT, PT, and Lucas alike. We'll never know unless they go that route for IX.
Heck it would have been a clever way to have Luke, Leia, and Han go on "new" adventures (the microbiotic universe) that did NOT require them to retcon out the entire previous post-ROTJ EU. They could have just said that Dark Empire, Thrawn trilogy, and all those stories that people have been following and enjoying for decades still happened while the new trilogy simply showed us a parallel dimension with other crazy things that were happening simultaneously. For all we know it would have complimented and/or even enhanced all the previous Lucas-approved EU. It certainly couldn't have fractured the fandom straight down the middle any more that it already has been.
It hasn't derailed the MCU. SW could have even been "first" to go there as it's been a setting largely untouched since The Fantastic Voyage and Innerspace. The Falcon was pretty much "microbiotic" anyway compared to that big Kessel Kracken, imagine enormous battles filled with those things. *Shrugs* Maybe it would have all sucked but I'm not gonna lie, it stung to read George saying "I gave them my treatment of the microbiotic trilogy, I wished they'd used it so that at least the Saga could have ended the way I always intended." Ouch. Maybe the microbiotic stuff was yet another one of George's WAY after the fact retcons and would have tarnished the story even more than the SE's and the PT.
But it would have at least allowed the Saga to end the way it began, with George's direct ideas with others weighing in, tweaking them, and so forth. With someone else writing the dialogue, directing the actors, and going "practical" as much as possible with the effects, I think we could have had a real winner that appealed to all aspects of the fandom, OT, PT, and Lucas alike. We'll never know unless they go that route for IX.
Heck it would have been a clever way to have Luke, Leia, and Han go on "new" adventures (the microbiotic universe) that did NOT require them to retcon out the entire previous post-ROTJ EU. They could have just said that Dark Empire, Thrawn trilogy, and all those stories that people have been following and enjoying for decades still happened while the new trilogy simply showed us a parallel dimension with other crazy things that were happening simultaneously. For all we know it would have complimented and/or even enhanced all the previous Lucas-approved EU. It certainly couldn't have fractured the fandom straight down the middle any more that it already has been.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Are you saying that going "microbiotic" is the only way to stay true to Lucas's vision? Lucas ended the whole saga himself with ROTJ because he was tired of doing SW. He changed the ending and forced in the "Leia is the other - and is Luke's sister" thing. And when he ended the saga back then (with ROTJ), there was no attempt whatsoever to go "microbiotic" as a key narrative.
Then, years later, Lucas decided to do SW again. And he went on to change even more of what he had thought up and written before. Suddenly, Anakin was from Tatooine, the Lars couple were Shmi's in-laws, and on and on. There was never a singular vision that was stuck to for key points. Not the Skywalker siblings; not the Luke/Lars/Kenobi dynamic; and probably tons of other stuff.
I get wanting Lucas's imprint on these stories; I do too. But if you read (and I'm sure you have) his ideas that he pitched about Luke - and about the new Jedi - for the ST, you'll see a lot of that has been carried over in a fundamental sense. So far, just without the bizarre "Whills" being involved. Thankfully (for me, that is)!!
Are you saying that going "microbiotic" is the only way to stay true to Lucas's vision? Lucas ended the whole saga himself with ROTJ because he was tired of doing SW. He changed the ending and forced in the "Leia is the other - and is Luke's sister" thing. And when he ended the saga back then (with ROTJ), there was no attempt whatsoever to go "microbiotic" as a key narrative.
Then, years later, Lucas decided to do SW again. And he went on to change even more of what he had thought up and written before. Suddenly, Anakin was from Tatooine, the Lars couple were Shmi's in-laws, and on and on. There was never a singular vision that was stuck to for key points. Not the Skywalker siblings; not the Luke/Lars/Kenobi dynamic; and probably tons of other stuff.
I get wanting Lucas's imprint on these stories; I do too. But if you read (and I'm sure you have) his ideas that he pitched about Luke - and about the new Jedi - for the ST, you'll see a lot of that has been carried over in a fundamental sense. So far, just without the bizarre "Whills" being involved. Thankfully (for me, that is)!!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Good point, it's just that Maz's accompanying words hinted there was more to it than that. "This was Luke's, and his father's before him, and now it calls to you." I guess you can read as much (or as little) into that as you want - the saber can connect the trilogies, not necessarily the characters.
Not sure how much of that was "rejecting" and how much was just the "yes man" phenomenon. With George holding the purse strings and calling the shots there would have been a huge reluctance to question him, even if he might have been receptive. There *was* a lot of back and forth on the Jedi costume design, for instance (before they settled on Tatooine chic).
TFA and TLJ might just be the best films in the saga. But to reach that conclusion you have to consider TFA in isolation (and not as a retread of ANH) and TLJ as part of the saga (a deconstruction of all that's come before). As JJ said, he's standing on the shoulders of George the giant.
Good point, it's just that Maz's accompanying words hinted there was more to it than that. "This was Luke's, and his father's before him, and now it calls to you." I guess you can read as much (or as little) into that as you want - the saber can connect the trilogies, not necessarily the characters.
Not sure how much of that was "rejecting" and how much was just the "yes man" phenomenon. With George holding the purse strings and calling the shots there would have been a huge reluctance to question him, even if he might have been receptive. There *was* a lot of back and forth on the Jedi costume design, for instance (before they settled on Tatooine chic).
TFA and TLJ might just be the best films in the saga. But to reach that conclusion you have to consider TFA in isolation (and not as a retread of ANH) and TLJ as part of the saga (a deconstruction of all that's come before). As JJ said, he's standing on the shoulders of George the giant.
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jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
It’s important to keep in mind that giggly RJ was actually super loved and respected by fandom before TLJ and was received with open arms when he got the job it was considered highly positive news....
sooooooo
It is mind blowing to me the transformation that has happened to him post TLJ I have never seen anything quite like it to this extent.
Honestly Khev to some extent we all bailed on GL after the PT and the announcement of non GL created SW movies was met with huge adulation by the SW fandom.
Those TFA trailers can’t be touched not even by the PT trailers when it comes to love happiness and support of the SW franchise.
I can accept TFA more easily than TLJ because it at least had an OGer like Kasdan Sr. helping pen the dialogue and aspects of the story which clearly reverted back to alternate ideas for ROTJ. So I still like that TFA is kind of the bittersweet ROTJ that had Han dying and Luke being more forlorn that we might have gotten had Kurtz and Kasdan had their way. It both scratches the itch of wanting to see that version of ROTJ and simultaneously makes me appreciate the cheesy upbeat version that we *did* get in 1983 even more.
Exactly which brings me back to TLJ and an arrogant, petty, reactionary dweeb who was given a prequel-esque level of carte blanche on what he wanted to do with the story. Is TLJ watchable and enjoyable? As I've said many times, yes. But whenever I'm not watching it I can't help but feeling like I'm cheating on the real Saga by associating myself with it, lol. It has that "morning after shame" attached to it even if the experience of two-timing was fun in the moment, lol. I'll allow it as a one-off departure but Abrams better bring it back to something that Lucas endorses big time in order for it to remain something I see myself as continuing to align with.
It’s important to keep in mind that giggly RJ was actually super loved and respected by fandom before TLJ and was received with open arms when he got the job it was considered highly positive news....
sooooooo
It is mind blowing to me the transformation that has happened to him post TLJ I have never seen anything quite like it to this extent.
Honestly Khev to some extent we all bailed on GL after the PT and the announcement of non GL created SW movies was met with huge adulation by the SW fandom.
Those TFA trailers can’t be touched not even by the PT trailers when it comes to love happiness and support of the SW franchise.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
If that's the only thing he'll actively endorse then yes. What I've come to realize that "to me" (fully recognizing that we all have our own definitions as to what SW is to them) Star Wars = Quality + George Lucas' blessing.
The OT had both.
The PT (particularly AOTC and ROTS) has pretty much just the latter.
RO and Solo had both (as far as I know.)
TFA has the former.
TLJ...ehhhh. We're getting into dangerous territory now.
Yes I'm well aware that there was originally going to be a very different ST that featured Luke and the "other" facing off against the Emperor after he survived ROTJ. But George got burned out and decided to wrap everything up in one movie. End of Saga. But I don't think any of us were so married to the original "ST" that we'd accept nothing else. Hell it wasn't even until after TPM hit that Gary Kurtz spilled the beans on where the Saga was originally supposed to go after ROTJ.
But just like I gleefully accepted ESB retconning and expanding on the original relationship between Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Darth Vader (a third character entirely when ANH was released) I can still accept ROTJ's original ending being diverged from as well*if* the story is well told and with George's blessing. And since he's firmly entrenched in Quantum Zone land then I think KK and Abrams should have thrown him a bone from the get go. Because by tossing his ideas over their shoulder as unceremoniously as Luke's lightsaber they forced themselves into having to make films *so perfect* that they defy even the lamentations of George himself. And IMO they haven't done that.
Yes I know that the Whills were originally like the Watchers from Marvel Comics, simply chronicling the Saga without getting directly involved and that George wanted to change that for Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. Maybe it would have sucked or maybe...it would have been as awesome a retcon as Vader being Anakin Skywalker.
If that's the only thing he'll actively endorse then yes. What I've come to realize that "to me" (fully recognizing that we all have our own definitions as to what SW is to them) Star Wars = Quality + George Lucas' blessing.
The OT had both.
The PT (particularly AOTC and ROTS) has pretty much just the latter.
RO and Solo had both (as far as I know.)
TFA has the former.
TLJ...ehhhh. We're getting into dangerous territory now.
Yes I'm well aware that there was originally going to be a very different ST that featured Luke and the "other" facing off against the Emperor after he survived ROTJ. But George got burned out and decided to wrap everything up in one movie. End of Saga. But I don't think any of us were so married to the original "ST" that we'd accept nothing else. Hell it wasn't even until after TPM hit that Gary Kurtz spilled the beans on where the Saga was originally supposed to go after ROTJ.
But just like I gleefully accepted ESB retconning and expanding on the original relationship between Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Darth Vader (a third character entirely when ANH was released) I can still accept ROTJ's original ending being diverged from as well*if* the story is well told and with George's blessing. And since he's firmly entrenched in Quantum Zone land then I think KK and Abrams should have thrown him a bone from the get go. Because by tossing his ideas over their shoulder as unceremoniously as Luke's lightsaber they forced themselves into having to make films *so perfect* that they defy even the lamentations of George himself. And IMO they haven't done that.
Yes I know that the Whills were originally like the Watchers from Marvel Comics, simply chronicling the Saga without getting directly involved and that George wanted to change that for Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. Maybe it would have sucked or maybe...it would have been as awesome a retcon as Vader being Anakin Skywalker.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
So true and for all I know IX will be so awesome that I'll be back to TFA hype singing it's praises while gleefully drinking gallons of George's tears, lol.
Honestly though I still think TFA is perfectly fine. They could have cleared the pallet from the crappy PT just the way Abrams said, "going back to go forward." But then why was TLJ more "going backward?" Other than the snail space chase pretty much every scene was a borrowed take from a previous film but with some "subverted expectation" thrown in. I still think pretty much every scene in TLJ works well enough by itself but as part of the overall Saga I can't help but wish that they just didn't go down that road in the first place.
So true and for all I know IX will be so awesome that I'll be back to TFA hype singing it's praises while gleefully drinking gallons of George's tears, lol.
Honestly though I still think TFA is perfectly fine. They could have cleared the pallet from the crappy PT just the way Abrams said, "going back to go forward." But then why was TLJ more "going backward?" Other than the snail space chase pretty much every scene was a borrowed take from a previous film but with some "subverted expectation" thrown in. I still think pretty much every scene in TLJ works well enough by itself but as part of the overall Saga I can't help but wish that they just didn't go down that road in the first place.
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jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Great posts by khev and ajp as usual but i’m going to lol at this now
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Great posts by khev and ajp as usual but i’m going to lol at this now
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Maybe this is nostalgia talking, but the original TPM teaser can't be beat. Maybe George shoulda just released *that* as the actual movie!
Maybe this is nostalgia talking, but the original TPM teaser can't be beat. Maybe George shoulda just released *that* as the actual movie!
jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Opening night when Han got killed by that panzy in TFA all I heard was my wife, my sisters and my brothers say “OhOh”
Thankfully that panzy has turned out to be a better Anakin like Cap has become the new Superman.
Opening night when Han got killed by that panzy in TFA all I heard was my wife, my sisters and my brothers say “OhOh”
Thankfully that panzy has turned out to be a better Anakin like Cap has become the new Superman.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
And now you have to go back a page to read all the stuff I added to my previous post, lol.
Very true so at the very least TFA will always be my "alternate bittersweet ROTJ" and TFA/TLJ together can be my alternate "proper way to do young Anakin" movies.
Great posts by khev and ajp as usual but i’m going to lol at this now
And now you have to go back a page to read all the stuff I added to my previous post, lol.
Opening night when Han got killed by that panzy in TFA all I heard was my wife, my sisters and my brothers say “OhOh”
Thankfully that panzy has turned out to be a better Anakin like Cap has become the new Superman.
Very true so at the very least TFA will always be my "alternate bittersweet ROTJ" and TFA/TLJ together can be my alternate "proper way to do young Anakin" movies.
jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Prime I will have to strongly disagree NO PT character from that trailer came even close to “Chewie we’re home”
TPM trailer was cool but also looked and more importantly FELT nothing like SW which all we had to go by in 98/99 were the OT especially with the SE there to remind us what SW felt like.
I’m just going to come out and admit it TFA/TLJ HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO THAT “Chewie we’re home” energy.
I can’t believe that line was followed by cgi Rathters please someone punch me in the nuts to make me forget that lol
Prime I will have to strongly disagree NO PT character from that trailer came even close to “Chewie we’re home”
TPM trailer was cool but also looked and more importantly FELT nothing like SW which all we had to go by in 98/99 were the OT especially with the SE there to remind us what SW felt like.
I’m just going to come out and admit it TFA/TLJ HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO THAT “Chewie we’re home” energy.
I can’t believe that line was followed by cgi Rathters please someone punch me in the nuts to make me forget that lol
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Oh come now you're as old as I am. A wizard should know better! Even with unfinished effects this is still the greatest trailer of all time. Watch this thing with the sound cranked up, I still get goosebumps regardless of how many decades have passed. What a ****ing GLORIOUS debut of Williams' Imperial March.
Oh come now you're as old as I am. A wizard should know better!
Even with unfinished effects this is still the greatest trailer of all time. Watch this thing with the sound cranked up, I still get goosebumps regardless of how many decades have passed. What a ****ing GLORIOUS debut of Williams' Imperial March.
jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Okeedokee I read your update and while I have grown to appreciate TFA over repeat viewings I do stand firm on me liking TLJ over TFA.
Luke having more screen time and a ramping up of the stakes and a better 3rd act, although I do still love Rey’s lightsaber fight in the snowey forest, just made for a more cohesive experience.
Okeedokee I read your update and while I have grown to appreciate TFA over repeat viewings I do stand firm on me liking TLJ over TFA.
Luke having more screen time and a ramping up of the stakes and a better 3rd act, although I do still love Rey’s lightsaber fight in the snowey forest, just made for a more cohesive experience.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Well, you're certainly free to define SW for yourself; no one will question that. And, yes, it'd be nice to have GL's stamp of approval on the new material. But to be fair, we don't know his full (or even close) thoughts on the two ST movies so far.
You brought up the Stan Lee and MCU comparison earlier, and I think it serves perfectly with GL and the ST. There are elements of the MCU (in terms of characterization and execution) that are so dramatically different than what Stan Lee did with his stories and characters that he created. He gave the MCU (and just about anything that carried the Marvel licence) his stamp of approval because of the type of person he was. He understood that these things need to evolve beyond the ideas of one single creator. I'm sure many characters and stories went in directions he never would have come up with, but he had no problem tipping his cap to new people taking his work in new directions. I don't think George Lucas and Stan Lee are all that similar in this sense.
As far as your breakdown of the films, and if they meet your criteria of quality and GL approval: I don't know if you represented that as more of your own view of the films, or as a universally-accepted "objective" view. The GL approval part is objective enough, but the "quality" element is something that can only approach being "objective" if you choose collective critics' reviews as a measure. If you do that, then here are the films' breakdown according to those metrics:
OT: Quality = Yes; GL approval = Yes.
PT: Quality = No; GL approval = Yes.
RO: Quality = Yes; GL approval = I have no idea.
Solo: Quality = No; GL approval = it seems that way (Ron Howard connections).
TFA & TLJ: Quality = Yes; GL approval = who knows?
I respect the way you define SW for yourself. Nothing I can say will alter that for you; nor would I want it to. But for me, I just want SW films to honor the themes we've already seen, go in new and interesting directions, and (most importantly) be done with a high enough level of acting, dialogue, cinematography, effects, and music to not feel ashamed or embarrassed by it. That's what I got from the OT, from RO, and from both TFA and TLJ. The PT and Solo, though? I don't want to watch those anymore. And GL's approval doesn't enhance those films for me; all it does is make me have to acknowledge them in spite of finding so much lacking in them.
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If that's the only thing he'll actively endorse then yes. What I've come to realize that "to me" (fully recognizing that we all have our own definitions as to what SW is to them) Star Wars = Quality + George Lucas' blessing.
The OT had both.
The PT (particularly AOTC and ROTS) has pretty much just the latter.
RO and Solo had both (as far as I know.)
TFA has the former.
TLJ...ehhhh. We're getting into dangerous territory now.
Well, you're certainly free to define SW for yourself; no one will question that. And, yes, it'd be nice to have GL's stamp of approval on the new material. But to be fair, we don't know his full (or even close) thoughts on the two ST movies so far.
You brought up the Stan Lee and MCU comparison earlier, and I think it serves perfectly with GL and the ST. There are elements of the MCU (in terms of characterization and execution) that are so dramatically different than what Stan Lee did with his stories and characters that he created. He gave the MCU (and just about anything that carried the Marvel licence) his stamp of approval because of the type of person he was. He understood that these things need to evolve beyond the ideas of one single creator. I'm sure many characters and stories went in directions he never would have come up with, but he had no problem tipping his cap to new people taking his work in new directions. I don't think George Lucas and Stan Lee are all that similar in this sense.
As far as your breakdown of the films, and if they meet your criteria of quality and GL approval: I don't know if you represented that as more of your own view of the films, or as a universally-accepted "objective" view. The GL approval part is objective enough, but the "quality" element is something that can only approach being "objective" if you choose collective critics' reviews as a measure. If you do that, then here are the films' breakdown according to those metrics:
OT: Quality = Yes; GL approval = Yes.
PT: Quality = No; GL approval = Yes.
RO: Quality = Yes; GL approval = I have no idea.
Solo: Quality = No; GL approval = it seems that way (Ron Howard connections).
TFA & TLJ: Quality = Yes; GL approval = who knows?
I respect the way you define SW for yourself. Nothing I can say will alter that for you; nor would I want it to. But for me, I just want SW films to honor the themes we've already seen, go in new and interesting directions, and (most importantly) be done with a high enough level of acting, dialogue, cinematography, effects, and music to not feel ashamed or embarrassed by it. That's what I got from the OT, from RO, and from both TFA and TLJ. The PT and Solo, though? I don't want to watch those anymore. And GL's approval doesn't enhance those films for me; all it does is make me have to acknowledge them in spite of finding so much lacking in them.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I actually like the Rathtars. Bala-Tik though? Really? Imagine if that guy was replaced with someone like Enfys Nest or Two-Tubes. I thought the Raid guys playing Kanjiklub were cool enough, Bala-Tik was really the only character in the whole movie that felt like he didn't belong (EDIT: Oops, totally forgot about Maz, lol.) Can't exactly say that for TLJ, lol.
Since TLJ just repeated the "Kylo Ren impales a legacy character while others watch" thing I'll go with TFA as I felt that Han's sacrifice was implemented to much greater effect in its respective film. Man I hated Kylo and wanted Rey to absolutely destroy him, lol. Rey catching the saber is still my favorite single moment from both TFA and TLJ which says a hell of a lot considering the original three heroes all had moments of their own.
According to Gareth Edwards George endorsed RO. TFA was a definite no though, Lucas openly has said in televised interviews that he didn't like that they made a "retro" film. TLJ he damned with faint praise "it was a beautifully made film." Going by Mark Hamill though George told Mark he didn't like it. Does that "prove" definitively what is in George's head? No but my gut tells me that his take on the new films are indeed how they've been presented above.
Thank you sir and I do for you as well.
We all have our little list of what's sacred and what's not in these ultimately simplistic films. It's always interesting to see where we all overlap and where we diverge.
I actually like the Rathtars. Bala-Tik though? Really? Imagine if that guy was replaced with someone like Enfys Nest or Two-Tubes. I thought the Raid guys playing Kanjiklub were cool enough, Bala-Tik was really the only character in the whole movie that felt like he didn't belong (EDIT: Oops, totally forgot about Maz, lol.) Can't exactly say that for TLJ, lol.
Since TLJ just repeated the "Kylo Ren impales a legacy character while others watch" thing I'll go with TFA as I felt that Han's sacrifice was implemented to much greater effect in its respective film. Man I hated Kylo and wanted Rey to absolutely destroy him, lol. Rey catching the saber is still my favorite single moment from both TFA and TLJ which says a hell of a lot considering the original three heroes all had moments of their own.
According to Gareth Edwards George endorsed RO. TFA was a definite no though, Lucas openly has said in televised interviews that he didn't like that they made a "retro" film. TLJ he damned with faint praise "it was a beautifully made film." Going by Mark Hamill though George told Mark he didn't like it. Does that "prove" definitively what is in George's head? No but my gut tells me that his take on the new films are indeed how they've been presented above.
Thank you sir and I do for you as well.
We all have our little list of what's sacred and what's not in these ultimately simplistic films. It's always interesting to see where we all overlap and where we diverge.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
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