Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
https://youtu.be/nGuVTw01vrM?t=94
Sure, bring back Han for a flashback scene. Bring him back for some meet up with Lando. It doesn’t matter. Whatever they come up with will be contrived after killing off Han in 7, killing off Luke in 8 and having Carrie Fisher die between 8 and 9.
They blew it.
https://youtu.be/nGuVTw01vrM?t=94
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
There's no cool factor in these movies anymore. Han and Vader back in the 70's and early 80s and Luke in ROTJ to a lesser extent made those films cool. Now, they have Finn, Rey, Poe, with Kylo as the main villain?
They should learn from the MCU, they made a straight man, boring guy like Cap cool....they even made Dr. Strange, a guy wearing a picnic blanket for a cape, cool. Even the CGI raccoon has more screen presence than the new SW cast.
There's no cool factor in these movies anymore. Han and Vader back in the 70's and early 80s and Luke in ROTJ to a lesser extent made those films cool. Now, they have Finn, Rey, Poe, with Kylo as the main villain?
They should learn from the MCU, they made a straight man, boring guy like Cap cool....they even made Dr. Strange, a guy wearing a picnic blanket for a cape, cool. Even the CGI raccoon has more screen presence than the new SW cast.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
There's no cool factor in these movies anymore. Han and Vader back in the 70's and early 80s and Luke in ROTJ to a lesser extent made those films cool. Now, they have Finn, Rey, Poe, with Kylo as the main villain?
They should learn from the MCU, they made a straight man, boring guy like Cap cool....they even made Dr. Strange, a guy wearing a picnic blanket for a cape, cool. Even the CGI raccoon has more screen presence than the new SW cast.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
A shirtless Cavill would make a great SW villain.
A shirtless Cavill would make a great SW villain.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
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Exactly.
Usually there’s atleast something for me to latch onto, but these new ones got nothin’. For the longest time I thought my cynicism stemmed from being blinded by nostalgia, but no, Kylo Ren really has nothing on Vader. Finn and Poe have nothing on the original Han Solo. The new movies have no staying power.
I think that’s due in part to them being made so damn quickly. There were three years of production time between Star Wars and Empire. Three years of careful planning that paid off for the sequel. It doesn’t seem like much thought is put into these movies anymore.
Exactly.
Usually there’s atleast something for me to latch onto, but these new ones got nothin’. For the longest time I thought my cynicism stemmed from being blinded by nostalgia, but no, Kylo Ren really has nothing on Vader. Finn and Poe have nothing on the original Han Solo. The new movies have no staying power.
I think that’s due in part to them being made so damn quickly. There were three years of production time between Star Wars and Empire. Three years of careful planning that paid off for the sequel. It doesn’t seem like much thought is put into these movies anymore.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
That's for sure. Besides the lack of characters, they also have zero innovative designs which was Star Wars big sci-fi thing. The new ones just reach-back to the OT for characters, for designs, for everything, then just make them worse. It actually takes effort to muck it up. You actually have to say no to all good ideas.
That's for sure. Besides the lack of characters, they also have zero innovative designs which was Star Wars big sci-fi thing. The new ones just reach-back to the OT for characters, for designs, for everything, then just make them worse. It actually takes effort to muck it up. You actually have to say no to all good ideas.
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I loved Snoke’s guards
I loved Snoke’s guards
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Why would anyone expect these movies to live up to the most iconic trilogy of all time? Like comparing new characters to Han and Vader? What!? There's a reason multiple generations of people around the world know those names and images: they were remarkably special. They connected with audiences in a uniquely special way that is damn-near-impossible to replicate. How many other franchises have such instantly-recognizable iconic characters worldwide? And out of those, how many can ever be expected to catch that kind of lightning in a bottle again with sequels?
It's like saying that when the Bears play now - even if they were to win the Super Bowl - their fans shouldn't care because the team's not as cool as the '85 Bears. Huh!? Every franchise (be it in movies or sports) has an unmatchable standard. So what? If the creative value of the OT were easy to match, many other films and franchises would have been doing it repeatedly.
I loved watching Rocky Balboa. Was it as great as the first Rocky? No; but why would I ever expect it to be? That ain't gonna happen. But I preferred having a new Rocky flick to enjoy, rather than having nothing. And for those who'd rather have nothing than the ST, just stop watching it! Problem solved.
Maybe I'm just forgetting how "cool" and top-notch SW was during the PT. I must've missed all of the fans at the theater who were saying, "Damn, that Watto is so ****ing COOL!" and "Oh ****, General Grievous makes Vader look like a p****!" and "Man, Anakin is such a badass!!" and "These prequel characters have so much charisma!"
I'd rather just be grateful for a competent set of sequels on a multitude of levels than be regretting how none of the new movies are as awesome as . . . the greatest trilogy of my lifetime! The ST is not like the SW movie experiences from 1977 to 1983, but it's also not like SW movie experiences from 1999 to 2005. Given that option, I'll gladly take where it's at now.
You are pure evil, Khev.
Yeah, I didn't like them when the costume was introduced ahead of the movie premiere, but I dig the hell out 'em now.
Why would anyone expect these movies to live up to the most iconic trilogy of all time? Like comparing new characters to Han and Vader? What!? There's a reason multiple generations of people around the world know those names and images: they were remarkably special. They connected with audiences in a uniquely special way that is damn-near-impossible to replicate. How many other franchises have such instantly-recognizable iconic characters worldwide? And out of those, how many can ever be expected to catch that kind of lightning in a bottle again with sequels?
It's like saying that when the Bears play now - even if they were to win the Super Bowl - their fans shouldn't care because the team's not as cool as the '85 Bears. Huh!? Every franchise (be it in movies or sports) has an unmatchable standard. So what? If the creative value of the OT were easy to match, many other films and franchises would have been doing it repeatedly.
I loved watching Rocky Balboa. Was it as great as the first Rocky? No; but why would I ever expect it to be? That ain't gonna happen. But I preferred having a new Rocky flick to enjoy, rather than having nothing. And for those who'd rather have nothing than the ST, just stop watching it! Problem solved.
Maybe I'm just forgetting how "cool" and top-notch SW was during the PT. I must've missed all of the fans at the theater who were saying, "Damn, that Watto is so ****ing COOL!" and "Oh ****, General Grievous makes Vader look like a p****!" and "Man, Anakin is such a badass!!" and "These prequel characters have so much charisma!"
I'd rather just be grateful for a competent set of sequels on a multitude of levels than be regretting how none of the new movies are as awesome as . . . the greatest trilogy of my lifetime! The ST is not like the SW movie experiences from 1977 to 1983, but it's also not like SW movie experiences from 1999 to 2005. Given that option, I'll gladly take where it's at now.
Maybe throw in some flashbacks of Maul training Qi'ra while they're at it!
You are pure evil, Khev.
I loved Snoke’s guards
Yeah, I didn't like them when the costume was introduced ahead of the movie premiere, but I dig the hell out 'em now.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Damn that’s one fine and truly epic post right there
You crush it in such a classy manner.
Whoever you are I could totally hang out with you.
Damn that’s one fine and truly epic post right there
You crush it in such a classy manner.
Whoever you are I could totally hang out with you.
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I actually do think the likes of Watto and Sebulba are “cool” characters. Definitely not Vader or Han level obviously, but they were cool. Sebulba had a ton of character, from those blue alien thots lubing him up before the race to sabatagoing Anakin’s engine to almost killing little Annie by decapitating him with the podracer energy thingie. At the time I never understood why the filmmakers were trying to hype up Jar Jar as this great CGI character when those other two were infinitely better. Sebulba almost murdered his ass in the streets.
Darth Maul has a ton of presence for what little time he had and I love Christopher Lee as Count Dooku. These guys are in ****** movies, definitely, but they’re cool atleast on the level of Boba Fett and ROTJ Jabba the Hutt, whom I also love.
There’s nothing cool about the Sequel trilogy. Atleast with the Prequels I can point to something and say, “hey, when I saw that in theaters, I liked that part” or I remember a certain moment that stood out to me. With the the new ones, I don’t even remember anything iconic except for bizarre **** like flying liquid nitrogen Leia and ***** milking Luke.
I actually do think the likes of Watto and Sebulba are “cool” characters. Definitely not Vader or Han level obviously, but they were cool. Sebulba had a ton of character, from those blue alien thots lubing him up before the race to sabatagoing Anakin’s engine to almost killing little Annie by decapitating him with the podracer energy thingie. At the time I never understood why the filmmakers were trying to hype up Jar Jar as this great CGI character when those other two were infinitely better. Sebulba almost murdered his ass in the streets.
Darth Maul has a ton of presence for what little time he had and I love Christopher Lee as Count Dooku. These guys are in ****** movies, definitely, but they’re cool atleast on the level of Boba Fett and ROTJ Jabba the Hutt, whom I also love.
There’s nothing cool about the Sequel trilogy. Atleast with the Prequels I can point to something and say, “hey, when I saw that in theaters, I liked that part” or I remember a certain moment that stood out to me. With the the new ones, I don’t even remember anything iconic except for bizarre **** like flying liquid nitrogen Leia and ***** milking Luke.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Maul and Grievous > Jabba
Maul and Grievous > Jabba
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Jabba edges those two out by having this,
Maul and Grievous > Jabba
Jabba edges those two out by having this,
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Right back at ya, jye!
Thanks.
I trust that you understand that what's "cool" to you is different than what might be cool to others. With that said, I can point to several instances in the ST that were cool to me.
The Falcon flying through the wrecked Star Destroyer on Jakku before pulling up and flipping for Finn to take the killshot on the TIE. I thought that was cool.
The saber flying into Rey's hand after going right by Kylo's face at the end of TFA. I thought that was cool.
Snoke's throne room battle with Rey/Kylo against the PG. I thought that was cool.
The reveal of Luke's projection on Crait, and how he broke Kylo down with it. I thought that was cool.
Poe's run against the Dreadnought canons at the start of TLJ. Cool to me too.
Maybe you didn't think any of those were remotely cool. That's fine. Just like I can't remember more than two or three scenes from the PT that I thought were cool. Just different tastes; that's all.
Right back at ya, jye!
Thanks.I trust that you understand that what's "cool" to you is different than what might be cool to others. With that said, I can point to several instances in the ST that were cool to me.
The Falcon flying through the wrecked Star Destroyer on Jakku before pulling up and flipping for Finn to take the killshot on the TIE. I thought that was cool.
The saber flying into Rey's hand after going right by Kylo's face at the end of TFA. I thought that was cool.
Snoke's throne room battle with Rey/Kylo against the PG. I thought that was cool.
The reveal of Luke's projection on Crait, and how he broke Kylo down with it. I thought that was cool.
Poe's run against the Dreadnought canons at the start of TLJ. Cool to me too.
Maybe you didn't think any of those were remotely cool. That's fine. Just like I can't remember more than two or three scenes from the PT that I thought were cool. Just different tastes; that's all.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
The worldwide success and pop culture impact of the MCU in the last ten years shows that it's possible to not only match previous success but get better. How long will it last? Who knows? It's a different type of franchise, so it might not be a fair comparison, since they didn't peak with the first or second film, instead, they have grown over the years, never taking time off, let alone 16 years like the PT or the ST.
The worldwide success and pop culture impact of the MCU in the last ten years shows that it's possible to not only match previous success but get better. How long will it last? Who knows? It's a different type of franchise, so it might not be a fair comparison, since they didn't peak with the first or second film, instead, they have grown over the years, never taking time off, let alone 16 years like the PT or the ST.
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Oh yeah I remember the Falcon flying through Jakku with Finn as the gunner. I did like that scene, that was cool.
All that other stuff is legitamte crap though. Especially fake Luke on the salt planet. You should be ashamed of yourself. You’re clearly lying. Your avatar shows that scene where whatever that thing is takes a nasty ogre **** in Jar Jar’s face. Everyone knows that people only put “cool” things that they like as their avatar on online forums. Nice try buddy.
Right back at ya, jye!
I trust that you understand that what's "cool" to you is different than what might be cool to others. With that said, I can point to several instances in the ST that were cool to me.
The Falcon flying through the wrecked Star Destroyer on Jakku before pulling up and flipping for Finn to take the killshot on the TIE. I thought that was cool.
The saber flying into Rey's hand after going right by Kylo's face at the end of TFA. I thought that was cool.
Snoke's throne room battle with Rey/Kylo against the PG. I thought that was cool.
The reveal of Luke's projection on Crait, and how he broke Kylo down with it. I thought that was cool.
Poe's run against the Dreadnought canons at the start of TLJ. Cool to me too.
Maybe you didn't think any of those were remotely cool. That's fine. Just like I can't remember more than two or three scenes from the PT that I thought were cool. Just different tastes; that's all.
Oh yeah I remember the Falcon flying through Jakku with Finn as the gunner. I did like that scene, that was cool.
All that other stuff is legitamte crap though. Especially fake Luke on the salt planet. You should be ashamed of yourself. You’re clearly lying. Your avatar shows that scene where whatever that thing is takes a nasty ogre **** in Jar Jar’s face. Everyone knows that people only put “cool” things that they like as their avatar on online forums. Nice try buddy.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
The MCU is the most recent cinematic cultural phenom, no doubt about it. But the MCU has been rolling out new and likeable/"cool" characters in their own films who had years of established bankability in comics/cartoons. The movies have elevated them for audiences, don't get me wrong, but it's still different than creating entirely original characters and scenarios, and then expecting them to be on par with Iron Man, Cap, Thor, etc.
Even when the MCU solo movies have had sequels, they haven't always quite lived up to the original (to say the least). Iron Man was never matched by 2 or 3, imo. Same goes for Thor (I don't even want to get into Ragnarok - but that's just me). Cap & Avengers sequels have been an exception, but there's a lot of the same moving parts within those.
MCU and SW are exceptions to the norm. Producing worldwide appeal on that level is incredible. But, like you said, matching it years later with new characters? Not easy.
You don't think the Eopie fart was cool!? You just outed yourself there, chief. No taste whatsoever.
It was one of the 2 or 3 PT scenes that WAS cool. Not like that lame saber battle with Maul. Who the hell even remembers that!?
The MCU is the most recent cinematic cultural phenom, no doubt about it. But the MCU has been rolling out new and likeable/"cool" characters in their own films who had years of established bankability in comics/cartoons. The movies have elevated them for audiences, don't get me wrong, but it's still different than creating entirely original characters and scenarios, and then expecting them to be on par with Iron Man, Cap, Thor, etc.
Even when the MCU solo movies have had sequels, they haven't always quite lived up to the original (to say the least). Iron Man was never matched by 2 or 3, imo. Same goes for Thor (I don't even want to get into Ragnarok - but that's just me). Cap & Avengers sequels have been an exception, but there's a lot of the same moving parts within those.
MCU and SW are exceptions to the norm. Producing worldwide appeal on that level is incredible. But, like you said, matching it years later with new characters? Not easy.
You don't think the Eopie fart was cool!? You just outed yourself there, chief. No taste whatsoever.
It was one of the 2 or 3 PT scenes that WAS cool. Not like that lame saber battle with Maul. Who the hell even remembers that!?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Maul could have been the most popular SW character ever. The Maul hype was real in 1999. He was arguably cooler than Vader. He was agile, a better fighter, had presence without even talking. It's almost as if Mr. Vader himself felt threaten by the young cool buck, and had him killed like that young cool dude in Shawshank Redemption. Maul was gunned down...or cut in half in his prime, underdeveloped and never given a proper chance or push (wrestling terminology) to reach his full potential. He's been relegated to crappy cartoons where's he's a crazy spider and killed like a punk by Obi Wan and countless fan made videos on You Tube. The tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise has nothing on the tragedy of Maul. He's fat now, and doing pointless cameos in prequels that bomb at the box office.
Maul could have been the most popular SW character ever. The Maul hype was real in 1999. He was arguably cooler than Vader. He was agile, a better fighter, had presence without even talking. It's almost as if Mr. Vader himself felt threaten by the young cool buck, and had him killed like that young cool dude in Shawshank Redemption. Maul was gunned down...or cut in half in his prime, underdeveloped and never given a proper chance or push (wrestling terminology) to reach his full potential. He's been relegated to crappy cartoons where's he's a crazy spider and killed like a punk by Obi Wan and countless fan made videos on You Tube. The tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise has nothing on the tragedy of Maul. He's fat now, and doing pointless cameos in prequels that bomb at the box office.
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