Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hmm me personally I think End Game will be MCU’s biggest movie never to be surpassed by any future installments we’re looking at a possible 300 million opening weekend and it beating Avatar’s global EVEN WITH IT’S 3 HOUR RUN TIME!!!

Avengers 5 even if it has the XM and F4 will still be HUGE BUT not beat Avatar huge like End Game has the potential to do.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Some day?

What the hell is End Game if not the modern SW generational event that sold out in 6 hours it literally was handed over the crown from SW it can’t be more clearly symbolically passed on than that!

If there was no internet the lines would be around the corner just like with SW in 77!

Christ there were actual “virtual” que lines on the movie ticket websites [emoji38]

People waited for 4 hours on AMC ticket website it was insane!

I don't know if there will ever be another movie with the impact on culture as Star Wars. Endgame is huge, there's no doubt about it, but will it literally shape generations of kids? It will have enormous box office, may even beat Avatar, but then, what kind of lasting impression has Avatar had? Not much, I'd say. The word Phomenon was practically coined for Star Wars. Do people talk about their first time seeing Avatar? Nope.

I remember when star wars came out, I didn't even want to see it, but my Mother and Father took the family out to the theater. The house was packed, but I was more interested in playing (I was 6) and was running around the theater. probably being a nuisance. But I remember the film starting, feeling the thunder of noise and looking up to see the near endless image of the Star Destroyer unfurling itself on screen. I was hypnotized, I don't even remember how I got back to my seat, I assume my Father fetched me. Near every image burned itself into my mind. The ships, the droids, the alien creatures, the imposing Darth Vader, the cool Han Solo, and the eagerness of Luke Skywalker, all became surrogates for my imagination. Virtually every toy I owned from 1978 on, was a star wars toy. It made me a film lover, for better or worse, it had a big impact in who I am today. ...and I'm not alone in that. I don't know if that can be said of any other movie.

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[spindrift]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hmm me personally I think End Game will be MCU’s biggest movie never to be surpassed by any future installments we’re looking at a possible 300 million opening weekend and it beating Avatar’s global EVEN WITH IT’S 3 HOUR RUN TIME!!!

Avengers 5 even if it has the XM and F4 will still be HUGE BUT not beat Avatar huge like End Game has the potential to do.

you forget JC has at least three more Avatars to give him three more chances to up end Endgame- he's going to rule the box office again

JK

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Some day?

What the hell is End Game if not the modern SW generational event that sold out in 6 hours it literally was handed over the crown from SW it can’t be more clearly symbolically passed on than that!

If there was no internet the lines would be around the corner just like with SW in 77!

Christ there were actual “virtual” que lines on the movie ticket websites

People waited for 4 hours on AMC ticket website it was insane!

No, I associate EG more with Batman 89 and its year-long hype machine.

I was talking about the original Star Wars experience -- a movie that comes out of left field with no hype and just explodes. A movie where the Hollywood elite apologize to the maker for having such a bad movie on his hands before it goes ballistic and makes more money than anyone at the time thought was possible.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don't know if there will ever be another movie with the impact on culture as Star Wars. Endgame is huge, there's no doubt about it, but will it literally shape generations of kids? It will have enormous box office, may even beat Avatar, but then, what kind of lasting impression has Avatar had? Not much, I'd say. The word Phomenon was practically coined for Star Wars. Do people talk about their first time seeing Avatar? Nope.

I remember when star wars came out, I didn't even want to see it, but my Mother and Father took the family out to the theater. The house was packed, but I was more interested in playing (I was 6) and was running around the theater. probably being a nuisance. But I remember the film starting, feeling the thunder of noise and looking up to see the near endless image of the Star Destroyer unfurling itself on screen. I was hypnotized, I don't even remember how I got back to my seat, I assume my Father fetched me. Near every image burned itself into my mind. The ships, the droids, the alien creatures, the imposing Darth Vader, the cool Han Solo, and the eagerness of Luke Skywalker, all became surrogates for my imagination. Virtually every toy I owned from 1978 on, was a star wars toy. It made me a film lover, for better or worse, it had a big impact in who I am today. ...and I'm not alone in that. I don't know if that can be said of any other movie.

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No, I associate EG more with Batman 89 and its year-long hype machine.

I was talking about the original Star Wars experience -- a movie that comes out of left field with no hype and just explodes. A movie where the Hollywood elite apologize to the maker for having such a bad movie on his hands before it goes ballistic and makes more money than anyone at the time thought was possible.

Ok let me begin by saying that you both are 100% right i’m right there with you when it comes to 77 nothing will ever equal that ever again.

A dweeb beta male in the land of Oz, whores and cocaine with a weird little movie that the studios and theater owners laughed at which then turned around to conquer the US, Europe, hearts, culture and created new industries.

Because that will NEVER EVER happen again we can only then compare it to entertainment that will COME CLOSE to achieving it’s own version of a successful story while not actually exactly duplicating what 77 did because as everyone knows it CAN’T be duplicated.

Therefore going by these rules the MCU has in its own way now defined what modern cinematic success looks like.

MCU has absolutely penetrated deep into culture by adding to the social vernacular the Thanos snap out of existence no different than May the Force be with you.

I would say that the MCU not just End Game but the MCU as a whole is the true successor to the OT, not LOTR but the MCU.

Let me put it this way.

SW in ALL of its GLORY has NOT provided this level of consecutive quality entertainment!

In conclusion of course the MCU didn’t accomplish everything 77 did but in its own modern way it has come the closest and in some cases has even surpassed 77 in some of its long term accomplishments.

End Game experience seems pretty damn electrifying right about now.

But go ahead ask Clown and Chakor what they think of SW lol

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

you forget JC has at least three more Avatars to give him three more chances to up end Endgame- he's going to rule the box office again

JK

Poor JC...Avatar only did the numbers it did because it was herald as a spectacle that needed to be seen and experienced on the big screen. It ushered in a new era of true realistic 3D and was the 1st of it's kind. Coupled with breath taking CGI and beautiful imagery and scenery. It was also a rather large ticket price increase as well for the full 3D experience. Which, let's face it, was the only way to go see this. So many people went just for that reason, to see it for the experience. Not the story.

It became a must see movie for a new age of cinema. And had to be seen in 3D, which you couldn't do at home. Not yet. The story itself was a subpar movie at best. Dances with Wolves on an alien planet. Without the 3D hoopla, the cool visuals, and the ticket price increases, it would've been maybe a $1.5B movie?

I'm sure Cameron know's this deep down. Why it's been so long for a sequel. I believe, if I remember correctly, part of his reasoning was waiting to be able to offer a real lifelike underwater experience. Which I believe we just got somewhat of in Aquaman (haven't seen it)? SO strike 1 on that revolution. The 2nd rumor was he's been trying to perfect a new 3D camera and film process for 3D viewing without glasses. So again, Avatar will become a spectacle that must be scene on a big screen in the theater with yet another ticket price hike, as the theaters will have to buy new equipment just like they had to do for the original Avatar.

While I liked it, I will never be in my top 10 or even top 20 favorite movies, maybe it would make it into my top 50.

Cameron's ego needs for him to either match or exceed his original. He's secretly quaking in his boots right now, with the thought and possibility of a dumb comic book dethroning his beloved Avatar...

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Some day?

What the hell is End Game if not the modern SW generational event that sold out in 6 hours it literally was handed over the crown from SW it can’t be more clearly symbolically passed on than that!

If there was no internet the lines would be around the corner just like with SW in 77!

Christ there were actual “virtual” que lines on the movie ticket websites

People waited for 4 hours on AMC ticket website it was insane!

After two hours of not being able to purchase a ticket on AMC's site (or mobile app) I did the unthinkable: I got in my car, backed out into the sunlight (hissss!) and....drove to the theater to get my tickets. I haven't had to do that in years, lol.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Cameron's ego needs for him to either match or exceed his original. He's secretly quaking in his boots right now, with the thought and possibility of a dumb comic book dethroning his beloved Avatar...

There's no denying Cameron's ego but I do feel like he's been indicating in interviews that he's aware the first Avatar might have just been a flash in the pan and that they might not even end up making Avatar 4 and 5 if parts 2 and 3 don't do well. Which is why they're only making two sequels back to back right now instead of all four.

I decided to watch it again at home on my new TV especially since my kids still hadn't seen it and the thing is IMO it really is a very good movie even in 2D. If it had struggled to break even like Alita or maybe made a mild profit in 2009/10 then I think that it actually might have resonated more long term. But the fact that it's box office pretty much demanded that it be compared to the greatest films and/or cultural phenomenons of all time couldn't help but make it suffer in comparison for most people.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

After two hours of not being able to purchase a ticket on AMC's site (or mobile app) I did the unthinkable: I got in my car, backed out into the sunlight (hissss!) and....drove to the theater to get my tickets. I haven't had to do that in years, lol.

My wife had to go shopping that day so I snuck over to the theater just to see what was going on and my jaw hit the ground when I saw a long line of people buying tickets including corporate 500 folks in suits, ties and black stockings!

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

There's no denying Cameron's ego but I do feel like he's been indicating in interviews that he's aware the first Avatar might have just been a flash in the pan and that they might not even end up making Avatar 4 and 5 if parts 2 and 3 don't do well. Which is why they're only making two sequels back to back right now instead of all four.

I decided to watch it again at home on my new TV especially since my kids still hadn't seen it and the thing is IMO it really is a very good movie even in 2D. If it had struggled to break even like Alita or maybe made a mild profit in 2009/10 then I think that it actually might have resonated more long term. But the fact that it's box office pretty much demanded that it be compared to the greatest films and/or cultural phenomenons of all time couldn't help but make it suffer in comparison for most people.

Avatar did very little for me. Saw it in the theatres once, tore it apart with friends over beers (sloppy writing, which isn't exceptional for films in this genre) and forgot about it.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

After two hours of not being able to purchase a ticket on AMC's site (or mobile app) I did the unthinkable: I got in my car, backed out into the sunlight (hissss!) and....drove to the theater to get my tickets. I haven't had to do that in years, lol.

I bought the first tickets from an empty auditorium the next day. Got 2 3D tickets for Friday afternoon.

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[spindrift]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Avatar was amazing at the time to see the great 3D process and it was pretty great. Now it's ho-hum and 3D is losing it's draw big time. Unless he can get a total new way to see 3D and have visuals that are ground-breaking he's going to not be a happy man. I noticed the toys and such sold poorly so yes the kids lost interest quickly. It had NO attraction as far as merchandise and licensing like well, SW and such.
Now I consider it average as a film and can see how JC aimed a lot of it as a big 3D experience

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

SW in ALL of its GLORY has NOT provided this level of consecutive quality entertainment!

More than anything, this is true and what is unique about the MCU... it has consistently delivered watchable entertainment without one flop or embarrassment.

No franchise can say that. Not Star Wars, not Bond, not Indy, not Batman, not Alien, not Terminator, not BTTF, not Predator, not Die Hard, not Pirates, not Mad Max, not Matrix. Only the LOTR/Hobbit comes close but its mere 6 entries (half being meh) can't really compare.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The 2nd trilogy really killed Star Wars, this set finished it off

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Jeez when you spell it out like that

But yeah not even LOTR is equal to the MCU.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The whole of the MCU is a pretty amazing feat, a 22 movie long, coherent story. ...it brought comic book movies to another level, and made me a fan, someone who really didn't care much for superheroes in the past. Especially loved infinity war, which made me go back and fill in the home video holes of the MCU movies i didn't really like.

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[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

There's no denying Cameron's ego but I do feel like he's been indicating in interviews that he's aware the first Avatar might have just been a flash in the pan and that they might not even end up making Avatar 4 and 5 if parts 2 and 3 don't do well. Which is why they're only making two sequels back to back right now instead of all four.

I decided to watch it again at home on my new TV especially since my kids still hadn't seen it and the thing is IMO it really is a very good movie even in 2D. If it had struggled to break even like Alita or maybe made a mild profit in 2009/10 then I think that it actually might have resonated more long term. But the fact that it's box office pretty much demanded that it be compared to the greatest films and/or cultural phenomenons of all time couldn't help but make it suffer in comparison for most people.

Yeah. I just watched it again with my son last year. His 1st time. My daughter couldn't be bothered. We were going to Disney World (last November) and I wanted to make sure we were able go on the Avatar rides as we had missed the opening of the rides by about a month the year before. I wanted them to know what it was. He liked it, but he wasn't in awe of it. My daughter loved the rides and then was mad she didn't watch the movie. I still enjoyed it, but nothing amazing. I watch the extended Director's cut on BD.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Jeez when you spell it out like that

But yeah not even LOTR is equal to the MCU.

Once it's reached its conclusion, I'm not even sure an undertaking like the MCU could be pulled off again.

I'm not even sure LOTR could be pulled off again, as The Hobbit proved.

They were both massive undertakings in their own right.

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[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The whole of the MCU is a pretty amazing feat, a 22 movie long, coherent story. ...

It truly is, and I hope Feige will be more respected for his game plan over time.

Of course, MCU will inevitably falter at some point. They'll try to do it again with a new band of characters, etc... but there's nothing like the first time. Eventually out of 45 entries, the MCU will have many, many flops and embarrassments I'm certain.

So lets revel in this time now. We will be talking about it for the next 40 years.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The truly astounding feat on the part of the MCU which I just can't imagine will ever be even close to replicated again is the level of quality over *22 freaking films.* So much so that even "okay to slightly above average" films like Thor Dark World, IM2, BP, and CM actually almost feel like they're "bad" movies when technically they're not, lol.

Now if you want to rate which is the most "perfect" franchise then IMO Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049 easily surpass the MCU. 100% "great" films with 0% even being average or simply "good." Pure, untainted greatness like if SW had simply ended after ESB, lol. But it's a lot easier to accomplish when your entire franchise is composed of only two films, lol.

But 22 straight movies without a single one going off the rails? That just boggles the mind.