Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

There's still a chance for 3 force ghosts, I suppose.

::cringe::

Oh gawd! Han, a Force Ghost? And Leia, she's like a half-Forcey. So what, now any loser can be a Force Ghost in the Disney-verse?

CGI-deaged Ford, Fisher and Hamill.... looking plastic and smooth....


I suppose that Broom Boy will also be a Force Ghost.

No wonder Star Wars has been relegated to streaming now.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh gawd! Han, a Force Ghost? And Leia, she's like a half-Forcey. So what, now any loser can be a Force Ghost in the Disney-verse?

CGI-deaged Ford, Fisher and Hamill.... looking plastic and smooth....


I suppose that Broom Boy will also be a Force Ghost.

No wonder Star Wars has been relegated to streaming now.

Woah, your going off the deep end here on speculation.

I would say deaged flashback is the ticket.

They will not make Han a Force ghost. And as far as the force goes, anyone can use it, it ws just easier for some people due to their midichlorian counts being higher.

I thought that was pretty much understood by now? Maybe I missed something?




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[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh gawd! Han, a Force Ghost? And Leia, she's like a half-Forcey. So what, now any loser can be a Force Ghost in the Disney-verse?

CGI-deaged Ford, Fisher and Hamill.... looking plastic and smooth....


I suppose that Broom Boy will also be a Force Ghost.

No wonder Star Wars has been relegated to streaming now.

Your last comment there I was going to say that was a sick burn but then I realized that more than likely had streaming infrastructure existed in 1983 as it does today that Lucas would’ve probably made ROTJ and TOD exclusive to his Lucas + streaming service lol

I mean think about it he was so burnt out and cynical by that point with ESB earning less than SW that he might’ve just done that.

Still though, sick burn lol

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

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I mean think about it he was so burnt out and cynical by that point with ESB earning less than SW that he might’ve just done that.

Still though, sick burn lol

I didn’t know that — ESB made *less*? I always assumed it was crazy successful. I guess it still could be in spite of earning less...but that’s news to me.


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[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I didn’t know that — ESB made *less*? I always assumed it was crazy successful. I guess it still could be in spite of earning less...but that’s news to me.


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Domestically, ANH made about $460 million and ESB made about $290 million. If you take inflation out of it, and just go by the number of tickets sold: ANH = 178 million; ESB = 98 million.

Even with the SE theatrical re-releases in 1997, ANH *doubled* (slightly more, actually) the box office haul of ESB. It was $138 million for ANH, to $68 million for ESB.

The first Star Wars was a phenomenon of movie magic that I don't think will ever be matched.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The first Star Wars was a phenomenon of movie magic that I don't think will ever be matched.

Yep. Of course ESB made less. So has every other movie in history if you go by ticket sales save Gone with the Wind.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But these types of movies were meant to be seen on the big screen... not streamed on a phone by impatience millennials that are doing three other things simultaneously... so my streaming comment is still a burn.

Epic scale means nothing now. There's nothing like the Star Destroyer flying overhead on the big screen... or the approach to the Death Star where you finally get a sense of its immense size compared to the Falcon. Those types of moments are lost on TV and your phone.

I would venture to say your engagement as a whole is also severely affected by the size of the screen.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yep. Of course ESB made less. So has every other movie in history if you go by ticket sales save Gone with the Wind.

To me, it's not just about ticket sales; it's also about cultural impact.

Gone with the Wind may have sold more tickets than Star Wars, but I don't think too many people have GwtW tattoos . . . or have spent insane money on acquiring memorabilia to decorate their house with . . . or started religions based off of it . . . or named their kids after the characters in it, etc.

Star Wars wins!

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yep. Of course ESB made less. So has every other movie in history if you go by ticket sales save Gone with the Wind.

Didn't Titanic make some vast amount of money? (I haven't seen it).

Domestically, ANH made about $460 million and ESB made about $290 million. If you take inflation out of it, and just go by the number of tickets sold: ANH = 178 million; ESB = 98 million.

Even with the SE theatrical re-releases in 1997, ANH *doubled* (slightly more, actually) the box office haul of ESB. It was $138 million for ANH, to $68 million for ESB.

Huh. Surprising. My memory has tunnel vision -- I know Star Wars was HUUUGE. My parents actually saw it before I did in 1977, then took me shortly thereafter, geekifying me for life in the process.

But when ESB came out it was all the kids on my street talked about. We got the toys, collected the trading cards, and just *talked* about it, endlessly. Even the cool older kids.

The first Star Wars was a phenomenon of movie magic that I don't think will ever be matched.

I concur...the conditions for that film were a perfect storm, and it wound up bottled lightning.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Domestically, ANH made about $460 million and ESB made about $290 million. If you take inflation out of it, and just go by the number of tickets sold: ANH = 178 million; ESB = 98 million.

Even with the SE theatrical re-releases in 1997, ANH *doubled* (slightly more, actually) the box office haul of ESB. It was $138 million for ANH, to $68 million for ESB.

The first Star Wars was a phenomenon of movie magic that I don't think will ever be matched.

Weren’t their budgets 11 million / 18 million.

But these types of movies were meant to be seen on the big screen... not streamed on a phone by impatience millennials that are doing three other things simultaneously... so my streaming comment is still a burn.

Epic scale means nothing now. There's nothing like the Star Destroyer flying overhead on the big screen... or the approach to the Death Star where you finally get a sense of its immense size compared to the Falcon. Those types of moments are lost on TV and your phone.

I would venture to say your engagement as a whole is also severely affected by the size of the screen.

3 words

Avengers End Game

aka New Star Wars lol

To me, it's not just about ticket sales; it's also about cultural impact.

Gone with the Wind may have sold more tickets than Star Wars, but I don't think too many people have GwtW tattoos . . . or have spent insane money on acquiring memorabilia to decorate their house with . . . or started religions based off of it . . . or named their kids after the characters in it, etc.

Star Wars wins!

Very well said.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

To me, it's not just about ticket sales; it's also about cultural impact.

Gone with the Wind may have sold more tickets than Star Wars, but I don't think too many people have GwtW tattoos . . . or have spent insane money on acquiring memorabilia to decorate their house with . . . or started religions based off of it . . . or named their kids after the characters in it, etc. [emoji38]

Star Wars wins! [emoji38]

Movie going was much different with GWTW vs SW, just as its very different now vs when SW was out. Rereleases just don't happen in any large scale anymore, but GWTW was released over and over for years. SW had several rereleases, but nothing compared to GWTW, since the video market didn't really appear till around 1983.

A successful movie could stay in theaters for months, vs now a movie is usually gone in weeks. ...and the turnaround to video is si short, many people just opt to wait till it's video release.

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[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Didn't Titanic make some vast amount of money? (I haven't seen it).



Huh. Surprising. My memory has tunnel vision -- I know Star Wars was HUUUGE. My parents actually saw it before I did in 1977, then took me shortly thereafter, geekifying me for life in the process.

But when ESB came out it was all the kids on my street talked about. We got the toys, collected the trading cards, and just *talked* about it, endlessly. Even the cool older kids.




I concur...the conditions for that film were a perfect storm, and it wound up bottled lightning.

Contrary to what most of us think, MOST sane adults view SW as a kids movie. The rest as disposable entertainment.

The vast majority of normal folk would not be able to name all the characters from the OT. Most would have trouble getting the names and numbers correct for 3Po and R2. Especially the adults of the time of its release.

We are the weirdos.

Even today , most folks do something like this;

N1 “You wanna see a movie this weekend?”
N2 “Whats playing?”
N1 “Not alot, you wanna see that new SW movie?”
N2 “I guess”


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[jimcap]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Weren’t their budgets 11 million / 18 million.

Star Wars opening weekend
B.O. was $1,554,475, ESB $4,910,483 It truly was a long time ago, in a galaxy far,
far away.



I saw all three of the OT movies for the first time at the now long-gone Menlo
Park Twin off of Rt. 1 in Edison, NJ.


It was one of only 43 theaters in the country showing SW that first weekend in May. My Dad had seen the ad in the
paper, and since he was a big Sci-Fi fan, he decided to check it out. I
remember the theater was not even half full.

We both like the film so much, we sat through it twice. It was one of those times you will always carry with you. By the next week,
there were very long lines for all showings.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

My first viewing was here with my grandfather in 1977...

The next week, I brought two friends, had my mother drop us off, and we stayed for two showings.




The next 22 times I saw Star Wars in 1977 were here, after a 40 minute bus ride and two transfers:

 

[jimcap]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

My first viewing was here with my grandfather in 1977...

The next week, I brought two friends, had my mother drop us off, and we stayed for two showings.




The next 22 times I saw Star Wars in 1977 were here, after a 40 minute bus ride and two transfers:

22 times! Jesus, you were hardcore!

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Contrary to what most of us think, MOST sane adults view SW as a kids movie. The rest as disposable entertainment.

The vast majority of normal folk would not be able to name all the characters from the OT. Most would have trouble getting the names and numbers correct for 3Po and R2. Especially the adults of the time of its release.

We are the weirdos.

Even today , most folks do something like this;

N1 “You wanna see a movie this weekend?”
N2 “Whats playing?”
N1 “Not alot, you wanna see that new SW movie?”
N2 “I guess”


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

I'm surprised that you think it's "sane adults" who view SW as a kids movie. I think there's plenty of evidence out there to suggest that it's viewed with much more nuance than that by a large percentage of the populace (many of them quite sane).

I don't think celebrities (including British royalty) would be so eager to be background (even masked) extras on a SW film if they thought it was strictly for kids. I don't think Obama's Press Secretary would be answering questions about Star Wars in 2015 if it was perceived as merely a "kids movie." And I don't think Reagan would've named his theoretical space defense project "Star Wars" if the franchise was largely perceived as simply a silly thing for kids.

There have been colleges and universities that have had courses dedicated to Star Wars (there aren't a lot of children enrolled in college, as far as I know). Quite a few people out there also understand the Eastern Philosophy influences upon George Lucas's "Force" and "Jedi" concepts. Plenty of people also understand the actual demographics of the Star Wars fan base: it's mostly adult males.

The first two Star Wars films could be appreciated on a number of levels, and therefore had appeal for *all* ages. That was a key part of the "magic" of Star Wars. Yes, they had obvious appeal to kids, but it wasn't until ROTJ that they actually started being made more exclusively for the mentality of a child. And that's a strong reason why so many (myself included) objected to the drastic change in tone of the prequels. Making SW strictly into kids movies actually stood out as a *shift* in tone from the OT. Star Wars had officially "sold out" at that point. That didn't go over too well with quite a few people (and it's why I laugh when anyone says that the PT did no harm to the Star Wars franchise).

In spite of the PT (but maybe this is just me hoping), I don't think the general perception today is that SW = kids movie. The ST doesn't seem geared toward that. Not with a son killing his own father as a key plot point in one movie, and the total subversion of expectations being a clear goal of the other. I don't see how anyone could watch RO, TFA, or TLJ and come away thinking those were made for kids. Kid-friendly elements? Yes. Made for, and enjoyed mainly by, kids? I don't think so.

My first viewing was here with my grandfather in 1977...

The next week, I brought two friends, had my mother drop us off, and we stayed for two showings.




The next 22 times I saw Star Wars in 1977 were here, after a 40 minute bus ride and two transfers:

Mann's Chinese Theater for first viewing!?? And 25 times overall!!??? Wow!!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So Disney just confirmed at CinemaCon that the 20th Century Fox and Fox Searchlight label will live on with small “A Disney Corp” in the corner somewhere.

They also had an X-Men sign attached to a Disney sign.

Still have to get used to that lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Mann's Chinese Theater for first viewing!?? And 25 times overall!!??? Wow!!

Yep. I will never forget that summer.

Finding that picture of the UA Twin really brought back some memories. I even have all the ticket stubs from all the shows. Of course, back then, they were literally just "tickets" like you'd get at a carnival, so no "Star Wars" written anywhere or dates. But I remember.

I actually saw it at the Chinese another few times later, I think it returned there in '78 for its "1-year in the theaters" tour. All in all, over that year, I saw that movie an even 30 times. I even recorded it on 3 Maxell cassette tapes on my last trip to the Chinese Theater. My way of keeping the theatrical auditory 'experience' alive. I think I'll give those tapes to the Smithsonian before I die, so they can play the crowds reactions in the background as you tour their exhibit. I think that would be pretty cool. "Star Wars" live from 1978 at the Chinese Theater. I forget the exact date but its on the tapes.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But these types of movies were meant to be seen on the big screen... not streamed on a phone by impatience millennials that are doing three other things simultaneously... so my streaming comment is still a burn.

Epic scale means nothing now. There's nothing like the Star Destroyer flying overhead on the big screen... or the approach to the Death Star where you finally get a sense of its immense size compared to the Falcon. Those types of moments are lost on TV and your phone.

I would venture to say your engagement as a whole is also severely affected by the size of the screen.

Yep. I saw ANH once on the big screen in 1977 and then was so happy to watch it again on VHS that I had no idea how much of the experience was lost at home. It wasn't until I caught a 1992 15th anniversary re-release on Seattle's massive Cinerama (pre-SE thank God) that it hit me as an adult just what a different experience it is on the big screen.

when ESB came out it was all the kids on my street talked about. We got the toys, collected the trading cards, and just *talked* about it, endlessly. Even the cool older kids.

Those were truly great times. The OT was all *anyone* talked about up until 1984 when schoolyard discussion finally moved on to more hardcore topics like Friday the 13th The Final Chapter, Terminator, "He slimed me," etc., lol.

To me, it's not just about ticket sales; it's also about cultural impact.

Gone with the Wind may have sold more tickets than Star Wars, but I don't think too many people have GwtW tattoos . . . or have spent insane money on acquiring memorabilia to decorate their house with . . . or started religions based off of it . . . or named their kids after the characters in it, etc.

Star Wars wins!

Guilty of two out of four, lol.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Contrary to what most of us think, MOST sane adults view SW as a kids movie. The rest as disposable entertainment.

The vast majority of normal folk would not be able to name all the characters from the OT. Most would have trouble getting the names and numbers correct for 3Po and R2. Especially the adults of the time of its release.

We are the weirdos.

Even today , most folks do something like this;

N1 “You wanna see a movie this weekend?”
N2 “Whats playing?”
N1 “Not alot, you wanna see that new SW movie?”
N2 “I guess”

As a kid I assumed that my parents weren't into SW because it came out when they were too old. They were 30 when they took me in '77, lol. So yeah, I'm obviously cut from a different cloth (in no small part to the existence of SW itself.)

My first viewing was here with my grandfather in 1977...

The one single SW film I ever saw at the Chinese was....AOTC.

lol