Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[ajp4mgs]

I feel this direction you would need another trilogy to follow this. But I think they said they want to finish the saga with no tie ins. Meaning they want to finish the Skywalker saga once and for all

Well, Palpatine is the perfect way to use this trilogy as all you need to end the Skywalker Saga. And, it can be done in a way that actually turns the saga into a twist on the classic narrative of Rise-Fall-Redemption. Usually it's the arc of a hero/protagonist. But with a villain (Palpatine) taking that arc here, the conflict resolution now becomes *preventing* the redemption. PT = rise; OT = fall; ST = attempt at redemption.

The original goal of the Emperor was to use Vader to rid the galaxy of any serious threats (the Jedi) to his power. When Kenobi died, and Yoda followed, Luke was all that stood between Palps and permanent (or "UNLIMITED" ) power. But the Emperor miscalculated the role Luke would play. As long as Luke lived, the same hurdle would exist. Along comes Ben/Kylo, and the perfect chance to rip Luke's spirit apart. It works; and Luke dies. Now Rey is all that stands in the way, and she's no Skywalker ( . . . or is she?). Palpatine can potentially emerge from the shadows now to reclaim his throne.

If done right, this could have even more of a sense of finality than ROTJ did because there will be no remnants of the Empire after this. More importantly, there's no Jedi Master Luke or Force-powered Leia to re-spark the Skywalker Saga in any way. This is a true end (for better or worse). Defeat Palpatine, and defeat his threat once and for all.

If Palpatine was behind the whole thing (the initial rise of Skywalkers), then as long as any descendant of that Skywalker lineage lives on, Palpatine's scheme wouldn't be truly dead. At the end of this ST, that scheme could be officially finished. No more Palpatine, and no actual Skywalker remaining to give him a chance to return. This all assumes, of course, that Kylo dies and that "The Rise of Skywalker" refers to something other than an actual descendant of Anakin.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well, Palpatine is the perfect way to use this trilogy as all you need to end the Skywalker Saga. And, it can be done in a way that actually turns the saga into a twist on the classic narrative of Rise-Fall-Redemption. Usually it's the arc of a hero/protagonist. But with a villain (Palpatine) taking that arc here, the conflict resolution now becomes *preventing* the redemption. PT = rise; OT = fall; ST = attempt at redemption.

The original goal of the Emperor was to use Vader to rid the galaxy of any serious threats (the Jedi) to his power. When Kenobi died, and Yoda followed, Luke was all that stood between Palps and permanent (or "UNLIMITED" ) power. But the Emperor miscalculated the role Luke would play. As long as Luke lived, the same hurdle would exist. Along comes Ben/Kylo, and the perfect chance to rip Luke's spirit apart. It works; and Luke dies. Now Rey is all that stands in the way, and she's no Skywalker ( . . . or is she?). Palpatine can potentially emerge from the shadows now to reclaim his throne.

If done right, this could have even more of a sense of finality than ROTJ did because there will be no remnants of the Empire after this. More importantly, there's no Jedi Master Luke or Force-powered Leia to re-spark the Skywalker Saga in any way. This is a true end (for better or worse). Defeat Palpatine, and defeat his threat once and for all.

If Palpatine was behind the whole thing (the initial rise of Skywalkers), then as long as any descendant of that Skywalker lineage lives on, Palpatine's scheme wouldn't be truly dead. At the end of this ST, that scheme could be officially finished. No more Palpatine, and no actual Skywalker remaining to give him a chance to return. This all assumes, of course, that Kylo dies and that "The Rise of Skywalker" refers to something other than an actual descendant of Anakin.

That's all fine and dandy, but Palps wasn't in TFA or TLJ. It's not earned. Snoke was the big villain and Kylo was playing the the Vader role. This trilogy was never meant to be about Palpatine or even the old characters. Sure, JJ will use some scotch tape to somehow attach Palps to the last two movies as a figure in the shadows pulling all the strings, but we know better than that, so let's not pretend like Palps coming back was the logical or ideal conclusion to this story. The film can still be entertaining tho.

 

[TaliBane]

Well, Palpatine is the perfect way to use this trilogy as all you need to end the Skywalker Saga. And, it can be done in a way that actually turns the saga into a twist on the classic narrative of Rise-Fall-Redemption. Usually it's the arc of a hero/protagonist. But with a villain (Palpatine) taking that arc here, the conflict resolution now becomes *preventing* the redemption. PT = rise; OT = fall; ST = attempt at redemption.

The original goal of the Emperor was to use Vader to rid the galaxy of any serious threats (the Jedi) to his power. When Kenobi died, and Yoda followed, Luke was all that stood between Palps and permanent (or "UNLIMITED" ) power. But the Emperor miscalculated the role Luke would play. As long as Luke lived, the same hurdle would exist. Along comes Ben/Kylo, and the perfect chance to rip Luke's spirit apart. It works; and Luke dies. Now Rey is all that stands in the way, and she's no Skywalker ( . . . or is she?). Palpatine can potentially emerge from the shadows now to reclaim his throne.

If done right, this could have even more of a sense of finality than ROTJ did because there will be no remnants of the Empire after this. More importantly, there's no Jedi Master Luke or Force-powered Leia to re-spark the Skywalker Saga in any way. This is a true end (for better or worse). Defeat Palpatine, and defeat his threat once and for all.

If Palpatine was behind the whole thing (the initial rise of Skywalkers), then as long as any descendant of that Skywalker lineage lives on, Palpatine's scheme wouldn't be truly dead. At the end of this ST, that scheme could be officially finished. No more Palpatine, and no actual Skywalker remaining to give him a chance to return. This all assumes, of course, that Kylo dies and that "The Rise of Skywalker" refers to something other than an actual descendant of Anakin.

You're forgetting Snoke.

As they duel, a resurrected Snoke mocks resurrected Palps on his bland robe, Palps mocks Snoke on his pointy slippers. Then... a resurrected Jabba arrives on the scene, wielding a lightsaber with apparent force powers, resurrected Maul at his side. Then force ghosts of Luke, Yoda, and Ben show up to take on a brooding young Anakin force ghost who's teamed with Palps. It's actually the Sebastian Shaw Anakin force ghost who takes down brooding young Anakin and saves the day.

 

[ajp4mgs]

That's all fine and dandy, but Palps wasn't in TFA or TLJ. It's not earned. Snoke was the big villain and Kylo in the Vader role. This trilogy was never meant to be about Palpatine or even the old characters. Sure, JJ will use some scotch tape to somehow attach Palps to the last two movies as a figure in the shadows pulling all the strings, but we know better than that, so let's not pretend like Palps coming back was the logical or ideal conclusion to this story. The film can still be entertaining tho.

How much do you trust Kathleen Kennedy? She said this week that Palpatine was in the game plan for a long time (even before TFA, I believe). Take that for what it's worth.

And Snoke's backstory has been avoided. Maybe for good reason, maybe not. But that can be used to link Snoke and Palpatine.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

How much do you trust Kathleen Kennedy? She said this week that Palpatine was in the game plan for a long time

(even before TFA, I believe).

 

[jye4ever]

How much do you trust Kathleen Kennedy? She said this week that Palpatine was in the game plan for a long time (even before TFA, I believe). Take that for what it's worth.

And Snoke's backstory has been avoided. Maybe for good reason, maybe not. But that can be used to link Snoke and Palpatine.

Daisy also said it was JJ who gave her no royal lineage not Rian.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Daisy also said it was JJ who gave her no royal lineage not Rian.

Seriously? I hadn't read/heard that.

 

[guyver1]

She might as well paint a sticker on her forehead saying “ I know I f##### this franchise up “ So I will say or admit anything JJ tells me too “

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Daisy also said it was JJ who gave her no royal lineage not Rian.

Royal = Leia

Poor white trash = Luke

 

[guyver1]

WTF is Royal lineage ..is that Brit speak for something

 

[Prime Clone]

How much do you trust Kathleen Kennedy? She said this week that Palpatine was in the game plan for a long time (even before TFA, I believe). Take that for what it's worth.

Odd that they chose not to save Palps as a major twist in the film itself. Maybe they’re desperate to drum up hype after TLJ?

He’d better bring a major revelation with him.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Odd that they chose not to save Palps as a major twist in the film itself. Maybe they’re desperate to drum up hype after TLJ?

He’d better bring a major revelation with him.

Yeah, I think we can safely assume that the Palpatine reveal (and Ian at Celebration) was all goodwill public relations effort. In other words: fan appeasement.

 

[jye4ever]

Seriously? I hadn't read/heard that.

Really i’m actually surprised lol

Post TLJ attack on Rian she released that statement saying it was JJ that told her while making TFA that her parents were of no importance.

But didn’t Rian take responsibility for it I don’t remember anymore.

Now like Clown points out we could be splitting hairs anyways but whatever she’s Vader anyways lol

WTF is Royal lineage ..is that Brit speak for something

Are you ok should I call an ambulance lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

He’d better bring a major revelation with him.

What, the ancient fear and vampires a la SNIKT? I think they'll play it safe, which is why JJ came back. I think Palpatine will play Snoke's role, assuming JJ had some kind of idea or plan when he introduced Snoke in TFA.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Really i’m actually surprised lol

Post TLJ attack on Rian she released that statement saying it was JJ that told her while making TFA that her parents were of no importance.

But didn’t Rian take responsibility for it I don’t remember anymore.

Now like Clown points out we could be splitting hairs anyways but whatever she’s Vader anyways lol

Yeah, I definitely don't remember anyone but RJ being responsible/blamed for Rey's "ordinary" lineage. Never heard of Daisy contradicting it. Oh well, whatever. What's done is done.

 

[Prime Clone]

After TFA Ridley said she thought it was “obvious” what Rey’s lineage was - whether that was based on inside knowledge, who knows.

Given the prominence of Leia’s Theme in the teaser maybe we should be focusing on a Leia/Rey link.

 

[xipotec]

Don’t worry fellas don’t worry Disney got the message by falling short of almost 700 million from their 2 billion goal with TLJ.

Plagueis will be shown.

Palpatine shooting force lightning instead of silly saber.

Luke, Han, Leia together in a flashback.

Hayden.

Finn, Poe or Maz will die.

Flashbacks to Naboo.

Flashbacks to explain the 32 gap.

Ewan

Luke fighting in a flashback or even current timeline.

Kylo dying.

Big space battle.

KOR big saber battle.

Vampire mynocks

Rey will be someone important

Did I forget anything.

Yup Slave Rey outfit


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah, I definitely don't remember anyone but RJ being responsible/blamed for Rey's "ordinary" lineage. Never heard of Daisy contradicting it. Oh well, whatever. What's done is done.

After TFA Ridley said she thought it was “obvious” what Rey’s lineage was - whether that was based on inside knowledge, who knows.

Given the prominence of Leia’s Theme in the teaser maybe we should be focusing on a Leia/Rey link.

Yes that but also this (from Rolling Stones interview):

Unlike almost everyone else in the world, Ridley has known for years who Rey’s parents are, since Abrams told her on the set of The Force Awakens. Ridley believes that nothing ever changed: “I thought what I was told in the beginning is what it is.”


The article points out that JJ/Rian might’ve talked more than what was reported by Rian himself that he was given “free reign” to do whatever he wanted with her parentage.

 

[jye4ever]

Snoke had a fun gruesome death and the fact that he died helps the argument that they were indeed planning on Palpatine for IX from the very start.

Who were his parents lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yes that but also this (from Rolling Stones interview):

Unlike almost everyone else in the world, Ridley has known for years who Rey’s parents are, since Abrams told her on the set of The Force Awakens. Ridley believes that nothing ever changed: “I thought what I was told in the beginning is what it is.”


The article points out that JJ/Rian might’ve talked more than what was reported by Rian himself that he was given “free reign” to do whatever he wanted with her parentage.

Palpatine is her grandfather. They'll do a "I'm your father" moment.