Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[MegaPrime33]

Those imperial class star destroyers were all brought in by Thrawn per Palpatine's request. Can you imagine? I like the idea though that it's more of a graveyard than a true fleet.

 

[jye4ever]

I am wondering now since the whole subverting expectations twist and turn surprises caused such an uproar with TLJ is Disney just going to put spoilers in the trailer and the movie is just flat out going to be exactly what you see in the trailer like no surprises no JJ mystery box.


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[Knightstalker]

After seeing that, I’m fairly comfortable saying the future of Star Wars is on TV. Looks as crappy as the first two ST flicks.

 

[rushmore223]

After seeing that, I?m fairly comfortable saying the future of Star Wars is on TV. Looks as crappy as the first two ST flicks.

After 30 seconds of footage? You literally have almost nothing to base that on.

Yeah, ok, just jump on that hatewagon.

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[ironwez20]

I doubt Rey will go to the dark side.

Angry fans who never watched Star Wars will have there twitter fingers ready about how Disney caved to the far right or something

 

[xipotec]

Me too! Im not a naysayer, everyone just jumps on the hate bandwagon and criticizes every little thing, I'm not going to let that infect my soul. I still have the capacity to enjoy things, I refuse to give in to the hate.

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Same here, but same there also.....

No one is going to be swayed. The folks that like to bash, wont change, even if this was better then ESB.....the would not be able to stop the hate train at this late stage....

And for those of us enjoying it? Well, I think we are not so critical, and will enjoy it even if its not much better than ROTS.





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[Ehollywood]

I'll be going in with an openmind to watch Ep9. Star Wars Fan For Life!

 

[rushmore223]

Looks like Jawas

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[Khev]

ajp be like:

im in charge of the ST narrative in this thread

Khev be like:

of course....then whispers.....of course

It wasn't just Han saying it. The whole premise of TFA proved it. From Lor San Tekka, to Leia, to Han . . . and more importantly, to the fact that it was very clear that Snoke and Kylo were building an army that would go on to destroy five planets, the Senate, and the whole Republic with it. And all with no Luke anywhere to be found. No Luke rushing in to save the day like he always had.

How was any of that made clear by TFA? Leia's Resistance had never even heard of Starkiller Base until after it fired. There's literally a scene of Poe showing them a hologram for the first time and explaining what it is. So there's nothing in the movie that told us Luke knew about it either. Old Ben didn't know a Death Star existed until they were captured by one so there's no reason for us to believe that Luke would have had any inside knowledge himself. For all we knew he was aware of Snoke and Kylo's turning and so went off to get some necessary bit of information or lore in order to help him strategize how to deal with the situation.

So RJ still had options of his own if that's the route he wanted to take Luke.

And by the way, I'm not arguing against the FO/Resistance backstory of TFA being half-baked *at all.* But one aspect of it being half-baked is that more could have (and should have) been fleshed out in TLJ. Fleshed out in a way consistent with the characters we already knew.

How would you go about explaining why Luke didn't have the "let's go get this son of a *****" moment earlier? Because of an inoperable X-Wing? How stupid is Luke not to have an astromech droid with him to help him do repairs? And why wouldn't he have reached out to Leia? Why not use the Force to send a message to her, or have one of his Force ghost buddies do it?

Well like I said if RJ needed an excuse as to why he didn't use the Force to contact Leia he could have simply written one. The island being a Force deadzone would have been as good an excuse as any as to why he couldn't contact Leia. And then possibly throw in the broken X-Wing (astromechs are handy with wiring and computer terminals but they ain't re-attaching a wing ) and then you've got a reason he didn't leave of his own accord. Or maybe his X-Wing was fine and with him not knowing that entire planets were in danger he didn't have quite the urgency to return at that point. Take your pick.

For me, having Luke exile himself from his sister and her Resistance (for at least a couple of years) in order to "learn sweet new powers" would be absurd.

I guess the entire Dagobah sequence in ESB must have been absurd for you then because that's quite literally exactly what he did there. Okay not for years on end but still.

I'm not sure how a side quest to gather what was needing to retaliate against evil would be some offense to the story but hey I suppose we disagree there and for whatever it's worth I'm glad TLJ delivered in that regard for you.

n his mind, he wasn't taking himself out of the equation just for failing. He was ending a cycle that seemed to repeat itself too specifically,

It didn't have to repeat itself that specifically though. As I said RJ had full control over whether all his other pupils really were dead or not. Luke could have seen the Vader situation repeating itself and heroically *saved* any number of students before retreating to the island which would have set himself apart from Obi-Wan and Yoda who weren't able to prevent the Emperor's massacre. But...RJ just wanted to repeat the past, note for note, despite advocating killing it, lol.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

So now that strange darkside cave scene in TLJ may make a alot more sense. When rey looks to the crystal mirror in the cave she sees nothing but herself, then a bunch of rey's appear behind her. This wtf moment of all those rey's snaping in unison combined with this new sith rey reveal probably indicates she is a clone (one of many) by Emperor Palpatine in order to make the perfect sith for his essence to leach off of and possess.

He probably killed all the clones that did not live up to his standards except for two of them. The sith rey that we see in the trailer is Palpatines success, his new vessal for his essense, and the Rey we have followed thru the last 2 movies is still a jedi but she was saved by someone before palpatine could kill her, or someone that was supposed to kill her that changed sides (so palps think she is dead) which is why she was hidden on Jaaku much like luke was hidden on Tatoonie so the Emperor and Vader couldn't sense him. Lukes fear of Rey would also make sense because he felt something was off about her since she is a clone using even either some of Anakins or palps dna (most likely Anakin's).

The end battle will be Resistance Rey vs Darkside Palpatine Rey. Kylo will probably be killed by the dark side Rey that is possessed by Palpatine. It was probably Palpatine not snoke messing with Kylo's mind, because as far as Palpatine was concerned he was the only threat left to his master plan (since good Clone Rey had not revealed herself yet). Based on the movie Title its more probable that she is a clone using Anakin's DNA, which is where we get Rise of Skywalker title from. The fact that Luke says a thousand Generations of jedi live in you now also supports the clone theory of some sort, although Anakin wasn't around that long the training in the academy did use the old ways that had been around for 1000 years. She definitely didn't learn that from the tree or those books she stole haha

This would be a very poetic ending, considering that Palpatine Created Anakin using the force and that creation killed him, Palpatine creates clone rey and his second creation kills him. Guy never learns I guess, his overconfidence is always his weakness

 

[Rambler]

that last shot of rey looked pretty bad as far as effects go. This type of thing used to have me all hyped up, but Rian Johnson's TLJ really ruined my anticipation of SW for me. I just want this to be good, but having zero expectations is a good thing for once.

 

[Khev]

Okay new TROS trailer means time for a new video commentary. I labeled it "Part 1" because my phone ran out of space right as it was wrapping up so I didn't get to weigh in on Dark Rey. Eh, I don't feel like recording another video with that bit so I'll just say that she looked okay. Giving her a switchblade double saber made me chuckle and picture Thomas Jane Punisher taking it out of her hand, bopping her on the head and saying "You shouldn't play with knives," lol.

I'm surprised she looked so robotic and not particularly evil. So if it *isn't* a vision I'm guessing she's supposed to be possessed and not in control of her own self. But I'm sure it's just a vision of what she could become like others have already assumed. It'll probably sell a lot of action figures if nothing else.

Anyway here's my commentary on everything up until that moment with a bit of a tangent about Boba Fett and the prequels, lol. Enjoy.

 

[jye4ever]

Ohhhhh I like the clone angle.

This is the last movie Vader has to be revealed in this.


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[loki2371]

So now that strange darkside cave scene in TLJ may make a alot more sense. When rey looks to the crystal mirror in the cave she sees nothing but herself, then a bunch of rey's appear behind her. This wtf moment of all those rey's snaping in unison combined with this new sith rey reveal probably indicates she is a clone (one of many) by Emperor Palpatine in order to make the perfect sith for his essence to leach off of and possess.

He probably killed all the clones that did not live up to his standards except for two of them. The sith rey that we see in the trailer is Palpatines success, his new vessal for his essense, and the Rey we have followed thru the last 2 movies is still a jedi but she was saved by someone before palpatine could kill her, or someone that was supposed to kill her that changed sides (so palps think she is dead) which is why she vessel was dropped off on Jaku to hide her from the emperor much like luke was hidden on Tatoonie. Lukes fear of Rey would also make sense because he felt something was off about her since she is a clone using even some of Anakins or palps dna.

The end battle will be Resistance Rey vs Darkside Palpatine Rey. Kylo will probably be killed by the dark side Rey that is possessed by Palpatine. It was probably Palpatine not snoke messing with Kylo's mind, because as far as Palpatine was concerned he was the only threat left to his master plan (since good Clone Rey had not revealed herself yet). Based on the movie Title its more probable that she is a clone using Anakin's DNA, which is where we get Rise of Skywalker title from.

This would be a very poetic ending, considering that Palpatine Created Anakin using the force and that creation killed him, Palpatine creates clone rey and his second creation kills him. Guy never learns I guess, his overconfidence is always his weakness

That's an awesome plot there, and would actually make for a pretty cool story and movie.. Way too good for anyone at Disney to come up with.

 

[ajp4mgs]

How was any of that made clear by TFA? Leia's Resistance had never even heard of Starkiller Base until after it fired. There's literally a scene of Poe showing them a hologram for the first time and explaining what it is. So there's nothing in the movie that told us Luke knew about it either. Old Ben didn't know a Death Star existed until they were captured by one so there's no reason for us to believe that Luke would have had any inside knowledge himself. For all we knew he was aware of Snoke and Kylo's turning and so went off to get some necessary bit of information or lore in order to help him strategize how to deal with the situation.

I wasn't referencing Starkiller Base. My point was/is that Leia knew that the FO was a serious enough threat to galactic peace that she had an entire Resistance army meant to oppose them. That's what Luke would've known about. And, as you point out, Luke would've been just as aware of Snoke and the FO. Yet he left. And you say that it'd be fine if he left *for years* to go "strategize" about how to deal with Snoke!?

How would you be okay with Luke F'n Skywalker needing to go to a remote island just to learn some bit of info to help him strategize? The guy who decided to rush off and take on Vader with little training? The guy who walked into Palpatine's throne room without any other strategy outside of hoping to convince his father to turn good again? And he would go off to this island while he knew damn well that his sister was leading a Resistance. And without telling her (or anyone!) where he was going? And without taking R2-D2?

And you seem to be forgetting that before Ben turned into Kylo, Luke would have had more than *two decades* to learn as much about the Force as he could. He would be WAY more ready and able to deal with ****ing Snoke and Kylo than he was ever ready to deal with Palpatine and Vader in the OT. The thought of Luke going off in secret to "power up" or to learn how to deal with these new wannabes would be insulting and illogical (to me, anyway).

And by the way, I'm not arguing against the FO/Resistance backstory of TFA being half-baked *at all.* But one aspect of it being half-baked is that more could have (and should have) been fleshed out in TLJ. Fleshed out in a way consistent with the characters we already knew.

On that point I can agree with you. The lack of exposition on screen about what the FO/Resistance backstory is has been horribly executed in both movies. But, if that was all done because the exposition would have given away (or diminished) some reveal meant for Episode 9, then I'll be fine with it. I've always considered this a 3-part story, so whenever the backstory gets fleshed out is fair game. As long as it happens, I don't care which chapter in the trilogy it happens in.

Well like I said if RJ needed an excuse as to why he didn't use the Force to contact Leia he could have simply written one. The island being a Force deadzone would have been as good an excuse as any as to why he couldn't contact Leia. And then possibly throw in the broken X-Wing (astromechs are handy with wiring and computer terminals but they ain't re-attaching a wing ) and then you've got a reason he didn't leave of his own accord. Or maybe his X-Wing was fine and with him not knowing that entire planets were in danger he didn't have quite the urgency to return at that point. Take your pick.

I would pick neither. Because either a.) Luke is in a "Force deadzone" (which in itself seems odd to me since the Force is what binds all things) and stays there for *years* while Snoke gained a powerful apprentice with Skywalker blood, or b.) his X-Wing got damaged and he didn't take a droid who could send a distress signal. Would the communication systems of the X-Wing be destroyed too?

I guess you could say that there'd be an "Option C" where it was both a deadzone and a broken X-Wing with no way to communicate from it, but then that's just a little too convenient to save Luke's character from being a grieving coward.

Khev, I don't even know why we're discussing these crazy scenarios. I think you know what JJ's intent was with the TFA Luke plot. I think you know that JJ and RJ had multiple conversations to align their stories, and how JJ changed some minor things in TFA based on RJ's requests but refused to change other things for him. The Luke stuff was not only clear in TFA, but even clearer since the planning stages for the ST. Why are you going to deny this in favor of crapping on Johnson for what he inherited?

I guess the entire Dagobah sequence in ESB must have been absurd for you then because that's quite literally exactly what he did there. Okay not for years on end but still.

You mean the sequence when a 20-year-old novice Luke, who had nothing in the way of actual Jedi training, spent time learning about the Force so that he could be a more powerful help to the Rebellion than just another good pilot. Yeah, that's the same as a multi-decade Jedi who had fought against bigger odds now needing to go seclude himself on an island to go learn about some secret info before confronting Snoke and Kylo. I honestly can't tell if you're being serious.

I'm not sure how a side quest to gather what was needing to retaliate against evil would be some offense to the story but hey I suppose we disagree there and for whatever it's worth I'm glad TLJ delivered in that regard for you.

See above.

It didn't have to repeat itself that specifically though. As I said RJ had full control over whether all his other pupils really were dead or not. Luke could have seen the Vader situation repeating itself and heroically *saved* any number of students before retreating to the island which would have set himself apart from Obi-Wan and Yoda who weren't able to prevent the Emperor's massacre. But...RJ just wanted to repeat the past, note for note, despite advocating killing it, lol.

You're ignoring the fact that this ST was setting up Rey to carry on the legacy. RJ didn't have as much freedom as you suggest to just completely reorient that direction. Going all the way back to the Lucas outline, it was an exiled and grief/guilt-riddled Luke being asked back in by a young female prodigy. JJ and KK decided what Luke's role would be and why. You can disagree, but I think the facts speak clearly. And I think the message in TFA speaks clearly about why Luke left.

 

[jye4ever]

Khev thanks for proving us with another enjoyable analysis.

I?m ready for a full time Khev video series.

Hopefully DiFabio starts one as well.


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[Khev]

Khev thanks for proving us with another enjoyable analysis.

I?m ready for a full time Khev video series.

Hopefully DiFabio starts one as well.

Yeah I'd love to hear some of your guys' takes. JAWS should do an EG one, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap

DiFabio on the social and cultural health and prosperity of modern cinema in relation to happiness.

ironwez on Avi Arad love of Spiderman

Clown on the impact tall men have on achieving a successful life.

a-dev on theater row placement.


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[screamingmetal]

Watching the trailer I'm reminded of TLJ trailer, which I actually liked and had me going for TLJ.
But having watched TLJ, I'm completely burned out on SW. I don't care about any of the new characters and any references to the OT in the new trailer just confirm how weak the ST movies are. They're desperately trying to piggy back off of those superior films because the ST has nothing new to offer.

 

[jye4ever]

Watching the trailer I'm reminded of TLJ trailer, which I actually liked and had me going for TLJ.
But having watched TLJ, I'm completely burned out on SW. I don't care about any of the new characters and any references to the OT in the new trailer just confirm how weak the ST movies are. They're desperately trying to piggy back off of those superior films because the ST has nothing new to offer.

But TFA had already piggy backed off the OT just by bringing back Han Luke and Leia so to all of a sudden blame IX for that is not only not fair it?s also inaccurate.

Had TFA and TLJ had zero to do with the OT Skywalker saga and they bombed then they all of a sudden inserted a ton of OT Skywalker stuff in IX then your analysis would be accurate.

But can?t blame IX for the inclusion of the OT especially since it?s being sold as the conclusion to all of the episodic movies.

Therefore OT call backs is not a show of weakness on their part.




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