Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

TPM has enough inoffensive adventure fun about it that I could accept it as a Star Wars film but for the fact that it's telling the beginnings of Anakin Skywalker. That I just cannot get past. It was fundamentally the wrong choice IMO to ever depict Darth Vader at that age. And it unnecessarily makes a liar of Obi-wan in the OT by having Qui-gon Jinn be the one to discover Anakin and him be the one who wanted to train him. That's one of Lucas's problems in his PT, elaborating on things that didn't need to be elaborated on while neglecting stuff that was crying out for screentime

Perfectly valid reasons to dismiss it of course. For whatever reason I simply cannot accept Boba Fett's presentation as Daniel Logan and his updated backstory as shown in AOTC. And maybe I turn a blind eye to Jake Lloyd because I simply want to like TPM more because of Darth Maul, Queen Amidala, young Obi-Wan, the Theed battle (actually all Theed scenes if I'm being honest) and so on. I can watch pretty much any critique or video that absolutely skewers TPM and go "yep, yep, uh huh, that's true," and then as soon as I'm done hearing the critique I just go back to liking it again. What are you gonna do, lol.

Maybe Jake Lloyd is just easier to compartmentalize as a bad rendition of an otherwise decent character due to how far removed he is from OT Vader in both era and age. Another reason I like the idea of TPM segueing into Solo (aside from the Maul connection) is that for all of TPM there's this foreboding and warning about training Anakin with Jedi being concerned, Palpatine smiling evilly, and then they decide to train him anyway. Boss Nass raises the glowing ball from The Sharper Image and says "Peace!" and then bam: cut to 20 years later with "It is a time of lawlesness." It might be a silly comparison but it almost feels a bit like when Marty took the sports almanac to 1955 and then instantly turned the world upside down with all-powerful Biff in the new timeline. In TPM Anakin was the almanac, warnings weren't heeded, and then the next thing we know it's Solo with evil Biff having transformed the entire galaxy. Watching them sequentially might allow that "holy crap, what *happened*" feeling to kick in. But without the heroes able to simply erase the timeline, they have to deal with it, which I think is pretty cool.

 

[ajp4mgs]

TPM has enough inoffensive adventure fun about it that I could accept it as a Star Wars film but for the fact that it's telling the beginnings of Anakin Skywalker. That I just cannot get past. It was fundamentally the wrong choice IMO to ever depict Darth Vader at that age. And it unnecessarily makes a liar of Obi-wan in the OT by having Qui-gon Jinn be the one to discover Anakin and him be the one who wanted to train him. That's one of Lucas's problems in his PT, elaborating on things that didn't need to be elaborated on while neglecting stuff that was crying out for screentime

Well said! Plus, it's the movie that introduced midichlorians (for seemingly no reason, since nothing on screen before or after gains any deeper value for it).

If anything, TPM has been made worse by newer stories that brought back Darth Maul. His death was the only real "event" in the third act that had any emotional/resonant consequence, and now that has been undone. Kenobi's on-screen victory was undone, only to be pushed until later, and played out in a cartoon.

 

[Khev]

Well said! Plus, it's the movie that introduced midichlorians (for seemingly no reason, since nothing on screen before or after gains any deeper value for it).

If anything, TPM has been made worse by newer stories that brought back Darth Maul. His death was the only real "event" in the third act that had any emotional/resonant consequence, and now that has been undone. Kenobi's on-screen victory was undone, only to be pushed until later, and played out in a cartoon.

Yep, yep, uh huh, that's true.

*Khev then immediately goes right back to humming Duel of the Fates*

 

[ajp4mgs]

TPM will always have "Duel of the Fates" going for it. The merits of the on-screen dueling choreography is something that can be quibbled about, but I think that song remains a universally-enjoyed highlight of SW from *any* era.

 

[loki2371]

And maybe I turn a blind eye to Jake Lloyd because I simply want to like TPM more because of Darth Maul, Queen Amidala, young Obi-Wan, the Theed battle (actually all Theed scenes if I'm being honest) and so on. I can watch pretty much any critique or video that absolutely skewers TPM and go "yep, yep, uh huh, that's true," and then as soon as I'm done hearing the critique I just go back to liking it again. What are you gonna do, lol.

Well said...

I've said it before, that my true enjoyment of the PT stemmed from watching my son grow up on the Clone Wars and his love for everything Clones, Battle Droids, and his favorite character of all time, Captain Rex. And of course, revisiting the PT and watching them through his eyes had a definite change on my perspective towards the PT. While he actually liked the OT better, the PT still has a special place in his heart. He grew up playing with mostly The Clone Wars figures and toys and watching the cartoon over and over for several years. And, the period during the PT was a great time in my life as a SW fan with lots of great memories. The anticipation of the new movies, having to wait in lines for hours to pre buy tickets for the 1st midnight showings with my friend, driving out to Indiana to go to Celebration III (was sure it would've been the last one) while leaving my pregnant wife of twins home alone .... Lot's of things to be thankful and grateful for.

I never hated the PQ's, but I did have some discontent towards them previously. No way they could've lived up to a lifetime long SW fan's expectations. But, they were never non watchable for me. The new vehicle designs, characters and all the new visuals Lucas gave us were stunning. From day one I fell in love with the designs of the Clone Troopers from EPI & more so from EPII, the Battle Droids & Destroyer Droids were very cool (maybe not so much their voices, but the Super Battle Droids made up for that), Darth Maul is just below Darth Vader as a favorite SW character, Jango Fett visually was to me much cooler looking than Boba Fett, Count Dooku, General Grievous, Darth Sidious, Qui-Gon, young Obi-Wan, angry Anakin (EPIII at least wasn't as cringey a performance), great lightsaber duels (Obi v Maul is still the most intense battle we've ever seen on screen in a SW movie), the showdown between Obi and Jango on Kamino, seeing Yoda whoop ass and why he was heralded as one of the greatest Jedi masters of all time, great space battles, and a very cool, if way tooo long and a bit unnecessary Pod Race scene (stemming from George's love of cars and homeage to Ben Hur)..... SO much more to love and celebrate than pick apart for me.

The ST???...... I got nuthin'.... Not a damn thing has any lasting appeal to me what so ever. Kylo had some potential, but for me the awful characterization ruined the somewhat cool visual. And the ST Troopers are just awful looking... ...

My wallet is grateful though for the ST's lackluster and boring character and ship designs... .....

 

[jye4ever]

As pointless as the ST are the worst offense to come out of them is the emboldening of PT apologist who now proclaim those movies are the way SW are supposed to be.

OK fine i?m going to use Lucas?s asinine explanation of why the PT are hated which is that he made them for 12-year-olds you know the age of nose pickers and not for those super picky annoying adults.

Ok PT apologists so going by your lord and savior own words the ST should only be sophisticated enough to appease 12 year olds.

The ST haters are now judging the ST beyond how Lucas wants the PT judged.

Um I got news for uncle George and you PT loyalist the ST are written far beyond the level of 7th grade mentality that Lucas deems to be good enough.

ST might be pointless but at least they can be watched by actual adults without the need to make excuses for why they might not be onboard with them.








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[Khev]

Iger needs to declassify George's outline for his ST so that I can read it and go "what in God's name" and then go back to liking TLJ again, lol.

I do remember George and McCallum defending the PT as being for kids (which makes no damn sense when half of TPM was boring political/trade speak) but interestingly enough the one Disney flick that George seemed to genuinely endorse was RO which is probably the least child-friendly film of the entire Saga.

 

[jye4ever]

I?m still just flabbergasted by the fact that he revealed this stuff just mere weeks away from two huge Star Wars events and not just huge events but huge and historic events!

Mind = Blown

But yeah dude I always use history to formulate my arguments I can?t stand when history is simply ignored especially in defense of AOTC lol


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[loki2371]

I do hope down the road we get some form of story treatment of what Lucas' original proposed story/outline of what his St would've been. I'm sure it probably wouldn't have been that great either, or perhaps even worse than what we got. Maybe then I could actually look at the ST in a new light.

BUT, I can say I believe his imagination would've at least given us visually appealing characters and designs. And brought something NEW to the SW universe... Whether it was good or bad. No way the over all plot could be any worse than what we got in TLJ with a slow space chase for 2 1/2 hours that took place within hours after the events of TFA. How can characters grow in a 3 - 5 hour story arc immediately set after the events of TFA??

But, somehow, Rey grew exponentially more powerful in that small window with no training. She did spar against a big boulder though....

 

[loki2371]

I?m still just flabbergasted by the fact that he revealed this stuff just mere weeks away from two huge Star Wars events and not just huge events but huge and historic events!

Mind = Blown

This must be Disney/Iger's beginning for damage control in case TROS goes wrong. Along with all these toy leaks all of a sudden. Just like their wonderful campaign for Solo before it was released. Letting everyone know about all the behind the scenes disasters leading to a rushed and lackluster release. And of course, let us not forget about SW fatigue. No SW fan is prepared for one movie a year. That is just waaay to much...

We old timers need years of anticipation building so we'll support anything we are given..

 

[Wor-Gar]

As pointless as the ST are the worst offense to come out of them is the emboldening of PT apologist who now proclaim those movies are the way SW are supposed to be.

This is very true.

 

[jye4ever]

For me it?s quite simple really.

The inclusion of Hamill-Ford-Fisher-Williams makes the ST instantaneously better than the PT.

No more is needed.

Sorry newly christened god of everything SW Ewan McGregor.


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[Wor-Gar]

And that's where I can't connect to the ST: I didn't like seeing old man Han die for no reason (no sacrifice or anything)... I didn't like seeing near-immobile Leia return just to look sad... and I didn't truly enjoy old man Luke's return despite the fact that I didn't have that much problem with the inconsistencies in his storyline. Like Han's death, Luke's "death" didn't feel like it amounted to much other than that needed moment at the end of the film for poignancy.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Wor-Gar]

What is that creepy doll?

 

[Sachiel]

I?m still just flabbergasted by the fact that he revealed this stuff just mere weeks away from two huge Star Wars events and not just huge events but huge and historic events!

 

[Wor-Gar]

 

[YoNoSe]

The misuse of the OT characters is the biggest offense of the ST to me. I forgave it in TFA because I thought Han’s death would be the catalyst to get Luke back in action and begin Kylo’s redemption but then TLJ was like How bout Porgs?

 

[jye4ever]

Hence why TROS will be 6 hours long lol


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[ironwez20]

As pointless as the ST are the worst offense to come out of them is the emboldening of PT apologist who now proclaim those movies are the way SW are supposed to be.

OK fine i?m going to use Lucas?s asinine explanation of why the PT are hated which is that he made them for 12-year-olds you know the age of nose pickers and not for those super picky annoying adults.

Ok PT apologists so going by your lord and savior own words the ST should only be sophisticated enough to appease 12 year olds.

The ST haters are now judging the ST beyond how Lucas wants the PT judged.

Um I got news for uncle George and you PT loyalist the ST are written far beyond the level of 7th grade mentality that Lucas deems to be good enough.

ST might be pointless but at least they can be watched by actual adults without the need to make excuses for why they might not be onboard with them.








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Pfft. Atleast the pt and rots will be remembered. Good or bad. This franchise will be remembered for dividing the brand and making Star Wars just another movie franchise. Lol the PT didn?t do nearly enough damage as this franchise is doing and that?s a cold fact. New Star Wars movie is coming in s few months. Zero to no hype whatsoever