Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

I like your canon.

You should see my guns


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[Otomofan]

I stopped caring when they killed Han. That was a huge mistake. By the time they killed Luke I was already completely checked out on every level.

What they did with TFA is inexcusable. Just rushing out a garbage product with no meaning and no soul just cause they "could." And it only went downhill from there.

How can SW 9 possibly be good? Han and Luke are dead. Star Wars movies are dead.

I'm still sitting in buttclenched apprehension waiting for the Mandalorian to go from being the best thing I've ever seen to being yet another crappy, lifeless, agenda driven Disney product.

 

[ZE_501]

I stopped caring when they killed Han. That was a huge mistake. By the time they killed Luke I was already completely checked out on every level.

What they did with TFA is inexcusable. Just rushing out a garbage product with no meaning and no soul just cause they "could." And it only went downhill from there.

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I tried hard to accept TFA -- it was beautiful to look at and I wanted to look past the two most glaring issues -- the ANH re-tread and what I saw as the cynical disposal of Han's character.

I guess I didn't want to be *that* Star Wars fan, holding tight to childhood memories from the '70s and '80s, unwilling to allow new stories.

I was willing to see what happened to Rey, and thought Finn was one of the most interesting character ideas in a long time.

Then I watched TLJ, and actually watched it a second time to be sure.

So. Our last chance to see the OT characters together and you don't bother...then you completely negate good's triumph over evil in the OT completely, give heroes -- pop-cultural icons -- garbage lives, and kill 'em all off to sell 2-dimensional knock-offs wrapped in pretty FX?

I don't know what I was expecting but they failed on respecting legacy, failed on delivering compelling characters, and failed on delivering an engaging story. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it, but come on. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and their "Story Group" all ******ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It's all making money but that's not the measure of quality nor charm in our world. That's just algorithms and the lowest common denominator in an artistically bankrupt marketplace.

And yet...there are good stories. We find them in books, we find them in small movies, we find them outside of blockbuster marketing exercises, we -- so far -- even find them in The Mandalorian.

So I'll let the ST sink into the obscurity and amnesia it so rightly deserves.

 

[heon123]

Problem isn't them killing of the legacy characters, it's that they weren't adequately replaced by likable new ones. Before TFA, I never expected Luke, Han or Leia to survive the trilogy.

 

[ZE_501]

Problem isn't them killing of the legacy characters, it's that they weren't adequately replaced by likable new ones. Before TFA, I never expected Luke, Han or Leia to survive the trilogy.

This is why I didn?t know what I was expecting. It was a difficult spot to write your way out of and IMO they failed completely.




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[ZE_501]

And while I?m on a roll here...the biggest failure is not Rey. As others have said, they gave her too much too fast and not enough to overcome, but their biggest miss is Finn.

He could have been such a deep character and an incredible foil for Rey. He was a stormtrooper, a member of a feared, disciplined fighting force with a crisis of conscience that pit him against former comrades.

Then they played him for cheap laughs and pratfalls.


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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019

Holy crap did KK really just tell Rolling Stone that part of the reason they've had such a hard time writing the ST is because there are no SW novels or comics to look to for inspiration??

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019

Holy crap did KK really just tell Rolling Stone that part of the reason they've had such a hard time writing the ST is because there are no SW novels or comics to look to for inspiration??

LOLOLOLOL


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[jye4ever]

I tried hard to accept TFA -- it was beautiful to look at and I wanted to look past the two most glaring issues -- the ANH re-tread and what I saw as the cynical disposal of Han's character.

I guess I didn't want to be *that* Star Wars fan, holding tight to childhood memories from the '70s and '80s, unwilling to allow new stories.

I was willing to see what happened to Rey, and thought Finn was one of the most interesting character ideas in a long time.

Then I watched TLJ, and actually watched it a second time to be sure.

So. Our last chance to see the OT characters together and you don't bother...then you completely negate good's triumph over evil in the OT completely, give heroes -- pop-cultural icons -- garbage lives, and kill 'em all off to sell 2-dimensional knock-offs wrapped in pretty FX?

I don't know what I was expecting but they failed on respecting legacy, failed on delivering compelling characters, and failed on delivering an engaging story. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it, but come on. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and their "Story Group" all ******ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It's all making money but that's not the measure of quality nor charm in our world. That's just algorithms and the lowest common denominator in an artistically bankrupt marketplace.

And yet...there are good stories. We find them in books, we find them in small movies, we find them outside of blockbuster marketing exercises, we -- so far -- even find them in The Mandalorian.

So I'll let the ST sink into the obscurity and amnesia it so rightly deserves.

Honesty TFA is really not that aesthetically pleasing either, pretty bland actually.

I do like the X-Wings jumping in and out of hyperspace and the snow forest lightsaber battle and I absolutely love the falcon escape but otherwise pretty damn bland.


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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019

LOLOLOLOL

She is categorically unqualified to be the head of this franchise. Not only is she profoundly out of touch with the fans but she has literally no clue what this IP even entails. I really think her one mindset in all of this since day one has been "take global pop culture phenomenon that I have no interest in or knowledge of and make it for girls because dammit it's time." And that's it. Her *** needs to GO and not short enough her rule was.

Honesty TFA is really not that aesthetically pleasing either, pretty bland actually.

I do like the X-Wings jumping in and out of hyperspace and the snow forest lightsaber battle and I absolutely love the falcon escape but otherwise pretty damn bland.

You know I'm still pretty much a TFA apologist and if TROS can make things right (*IF*) then I hope to be able to handwave away my issues with TLJ and bring the ST back into the fold.

I still enjoy the parts you mentioned and find that the opening bits with Rey on Jakku are as interesting and engaging as Mando off doing his thing in the desert.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I tried hard to accept TFA -- it was beautiful to look at and I wanted to look past the two most glaring issues -- the ANH re-tread and what I saw as the cynical disposal of Han's character.

I guess I didn't want to be *that* Star Wars fan, holding tight to childhood memories from the '70s and '80s, unwilling to allow new stories.

I was willing to see what happened to Rey, and thought Finn was one of the most interesting character ideas in a long time.

Then I watched TLJ, and actually watched it a second time to be sure.

So. Our last chance to see the OT characters together and you don't bother...then you completely negate good's triumph over evil in the OT completely, give heroes -- pop-cultural icons -- garbage lives, and kill 'em all off to sell 2-dimensional knock-offs wrapped in pretty FX?

I don't know what I was expecting but they failed on respecting legacy, failed on delivering compelling characters, and failed on delivering an engaging story. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it, but come on. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and their "Story Group" all ******ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It's all making money but that's not the measure of quality nor charm in our world. That's just algorithms and the lowest common denominator in an artistically bankrupt marketplace.

And yet...there are good stories. We find them in books, we find them in small movies, we find them outside of blockbuster marketing exercises, we -- so far -- even find them in The Mandalorian.

So I'll let the ST sink into the obscurity and amnesia it so rightly deserves.

Hear! Hear!

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019

She is categorically unqualified to be the head of this franchise. Not only is she profoundly out of touch with the fans but she has literally no clue what this IP even entails. I really think her one mindset in all of this since day one has been "take global pop culture phenomenon that I have no interest in or knowledge of and make it for girls because dammit it's time." And that's it. Her *** needs to GO and not short enough her rule was.

Hear! Hear!

 

[chewblacca]

Star Wars right now is in a weird place. Episode IX comes out in a month and there are rumors that it’s not looking good. Half the movie has been reshot, and test screenings had people walking out. Now Kennedy gives Rolling Stone an interview where she says bizarre stuff about making Star Wars movies. Is she preparing us for the worse? Casting blame for what’s to come on a situation she had no control of? JJ is a competent director with seasoned writers who should know how to write a good story even after the corner Star Wars was put in after TLJ. The Mandalorian comes out and blows away almost everything else Kennedy has done. There are even rumors now that Favreau may be replacing her after she’s gone. Which may be sooner than later. There are no ads anywhere, at least as far as I know. Seeing as this completes the Skywalker story publicity should be everywhere. Maybe it still early, but everything surrounding Star Wars now feels weird.

 

[darth dennis]

I tried hard to accept TFA -- it was beautiful to look at and I wanted to look past the two most glaring issues -- the ANH re-tread and what I saw as the cynical disposal of Han's character.

I guess I didn't want to be *that* Star Wars fan, holding tight to childhood memories from the '70s and '80s, unwilling to allow new stories.

I was willing to see what happened to Rey, and thought Finn was one of the most interesting character ideas in a long time.

Then I watched TLJ, and actually watched it a second time to be sure.

So. Our last chance to see the OT characters together and you don't bother...then you completely negate good's triumph over evil in the OT completely, give heroes -- pop-cultural icons -- garbage lives, and kill 'em all off to sell 2-dimensional knock-offs wrapped in pretty FX?

I don't know what I was expecting but they failed on respecting legacy, failed on delivering compelling characters, and failed on delivering an engaging story. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it, but come on. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and their "Story Group" all ******ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It's all making money but that's not the measure of quality nor charm in our world. That's just algorithms and the lowest common denominator in an artistically bankrupt marketplace.

And yet...there are good stories. We find them in books, we find them in small movies, we find them outside of blockbuster marketing exercises, we -- so far -- even find them in The Mandalorian.

So I'll let the ST sink into the obscurity and amnesia it so rightly deserves.

Excellent post. I still think that if they would've introduced Luke in TFA earlier, like when it was time to go rescue Rey and Luke, Han, Chewie and Leia flew in the Falcon to rescue her, the entire movie would've had a more appropriate feel. Han still could've died at the hand of his son, but with Luke and Leia there in addition to Chewbacca. That would've added more gravity to that moment and given TLJ the opportunity to build from that instead of introducing Luke at the end and then turning that introduction into satire at the beginning of TLJ. ALL I WANTED WAS FOR THE HEROES TO ALL BE TOGETHER ON A MISSION IN THE FALCON ONE MORE TIME!!!

 

[xipotec]

Star Wars right now is in a weird place. Episode IX comes out in a month and there are rumors that it?s not looking good. Half the movie has been reshot, and test screenings had people walking out. Now Kennedy gives Rolling Stone an interview where she says bizarre stuff about making Star Wars movies. Is she preparing us for the worse? Casting blame for what?s to come on a situation she had no control of? JJ is a competent director with seasoned writers who should know how to write a good story even after the corner Star Wars was put in after TLJ. The Mandalorian comes out and blows away almost everything else Kennedy has done. There are even rumors now that Favreau may be replacing her after she?s gone. Which may be sooner than later. There are no ads anywhere, at least as far as I know. Seeing as this completes the Skywalker story publicity should be everywhere. Maybe it still early, but everything surrounding Star Wars now feels weird.

You got a source on people walking out on test screenings?


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[Khev]

Imagine if three weeks before EG Feige told interviewers that making movies in the MCU is just so hard because they don't have any source material.

Yeah KK is absolutely tempering expectations with idiotic comments like that.

Like TFA and TLJ the footage in the TROS trailers is really quite beautiful but I'm starting to wonder if we're going to have another JL on our hands where the finished product is an unmitigated disaster that surpasses even our wildest imaginations.

 

[Khev]

Lol at JJ saying hey guys there are entire TROS action scenes that haven't even been hinted at in the trailers.

Um yeah because they haven't even been filmed yet.

 

[teemu]

So Mary Sue flies around like Mary poppins. How ********. I am not paying to see this.

 

[SilverStar17]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019

Holy crap did KK really just tell Rolling Stone that part of the reason they've had such a hard time writing the ST is because there are no SW novels or comics to look to for inspiration??

 

[chewblacca]

You got a source on people walking out on test screenings?


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Just a rumor I heard on YouTube.