Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

The simplest and dumbest idea any 12-year-old fan could have come up with -- Palpatine never died and has been manipulating everyone all this time.

Yeah, Star Wars is hard, Kennedy.

 

[ZE_501]

Honesty TFA is really not that aesthetically pleasing either, pretty bland actually.

[...]

The wreck of the Star Destroyer on Jakku is one of my favourite Star Wars images -- probably the most evocative visual in TFA. I did like some of the characters in Maz's castle, reminded me of ROTJ when I was a kid, maybe Jabba's palace meets the Cantina in Mos Eisley.

I actually just went back and watched the first TFA trailer. Finn popping into frame with the sound of Probe Droid chatter in the background, the sinister voice-over, Kylo stalking the woods...the FALCON!

So. Much. Promise.

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It's blurred the lines between the entertainment industry and contemporary politics.

Favreau has arrived Ms. Kennedy

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Not a bad likeness. She looks great for her age!

It is indeed true:

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies...rview-rise-skywalker-future-star-wars-912393/

It's true. All of it. Kennedy and Johnson, Abrams, The Last Jedi. It's all true.

That tells me she doesn?t feel very confident in Episode IX by already coming up with an excuse.

Creating a good story is really hard because we have no source material in which to cull from.

So in other words, play the victim role and get people to feel sorry for you because you had it so hard being that you didn?t have anything in which to use as source material.

Normally a professional storyteller would be gleeful about having the freedom from constraints that may imply. Not that her statement is true anyway.

 

[ZE_501]

The simplest and dumbest idea any 12-year-old fan could have come up with -- Palpatine never died and has been manipulating everyone all this time.

Yeah, Star Wars is hard, Kennedy.

And he would have got away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids...

 

[Wor-Gar]

I see the ending to all Disney Wars now...

Mandalorian ends with Palpatine surfacing, having secretly run the crime rings and underworld for all time.

Solo The Trilogy ends with Palpatine surfacing when he unzips out of his Jabba suit and confronts his old nemesis Han Solo... who doesn't even know who Palpatine is.

 

[TaliBane]

I tried hard to accept TFA -- it was beautiful to look at and I wanted to look past the two most glaring issues -- the ANH re-tread and what I saw as the cynical disposal of Han's character.

I guess I didn't want to be *that* Star Wars fan, holding tight to childhood memories from the '70s and '80s, unwilling to allow new stories.

I was willing to see what happened to Rey, and thought Finn was one of the most interesting character ideas in a long time.

Then I watched TLJ, and actually watched it a second time to be sure.

So. Our last chance to see the OT characters together and you don't bother...then you completely negate good's triumph over evil in the OT completely, give heroes -- pop-cultural icons -- garbage lives, and kill 'em all off to sell 2-dimensional knock-offs wrapped in pretty FX?

I don't know what I was expecting but they failed on respecting legacy, failed on delivering compelling characters, and failed on delivering an engaging story. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it, but come on. Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and their "Story Group" all ******ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

It's all making money but that's not the measure of quality nor charm in our world. That's just algorithms and the lowest common denominator in an artistically bankrupt marketplace.

And yet...there are good stories. We find them in books, we find them in small movies, we find them outside of blockbuster marketing exercises, we -- so far -- even find them in The Mandalorian.

So I'll let the ST sink into the obscurity and amnesia it so rightly deserves.

I think a lot of it was unfortunate timing: the rapid rise of identity politics along with social media (that brought in a deluge of agendas, casting pressures, story pressures, new "perceptions" of fans, of gender etc etc) but also of a hyper-corporate take on movies companies like Disney were at the vanguard of.

People like JJ are like ride designers that IP owners come to connect their product to what their marketing dept wants. He doesn't have a truly creative or visionary bone in his body. What's incredible is that in truth - while his credits sometimes suggest otherwise - he's never really created anything original beyond his very early screenplays, all of which were (now long forgotten) garbage: Forever Young, Regarding Henry, Filofax/Taking Care of Business, Adam and Eve on a Raft etc. The fact that Bryan Burk gets a credit on a SW movie speaks volumes about where we are today.

The wreck of the Star Destroyer on Jakku is one of my favourite Star Wars images -- probably the most evocative visual in TFA. I did like some of the characters in Maz's castle, reminded me of ROTJ when I was a kid, maybe Jabba's palace meets the Cantina in Mos Eisley.

What an ironic visual - a scavenger picking through the glorious artifacts of the OT, right? You kinda see JJ right behind her, KK driving the dump truck for him carrying all the recycled OT characters, story bits, designs and visuals.

And I'm surprised you thought of the Cantina and Jabba's Palace with Maz's Castle.

Coming up with stories is hard HEY MEMBA PALPATINE?

The simplest and dumbest idea any 12-year-old fan could have come up with -- Palpatine never died and has been manipulating everyone all this time.

Yeah, Star Wars is hard, Kennedy.

 

[ZE_501]

[...]

People like JJ are like ride designers that IP owners come to connect their product to what their marketing dept wants. [...]

Well said.

What an ironic visual - a scavenger picking through the glorious artifacts of the OT, right?

I see what you did there.

[...]And I'm surprised you thought of the Cantina and Jabba's Palace with Maz's Castle.

LOLZ

Oh, Disney.

 

[ZE_501]

I see the ending to all Disney Wars now...

Mandalorian ends with Palpatine surfacing, having secretly run the crime rings and underworld for all time.

Solo The Trilogy ends with Palpatine surfacing when he unzips out of his Jabba suit and confronts his old nemesis Han Solo... who doesn't even know who Palpatine is.

The entire ST is just Robot Chicken with a really big budget.

 

[jye4ever]

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[Wor-Gar]

The entire ST is just Robot Chicken with a really big budget.

It really is at this point. But without the laughs.

 

[ZE_501]

[...] the rapid rise of identity politics along with social media (that brought in a deluge of agendas, casting pressures, story pressures, new "perceptions" of fans, of gender etc etc) but also of a hyper-corporate take on movies companies like Disney were at the vanguard of. [...]

In and of themselves, Identity Politics are not a bad thing. Representation is good. But I feel it needs to be handled intelligently with good storytelling.

The ST may have made the Force female but half-assed cowards that they are, left the Force white, made Finn the 'funny black guy', blew up one Asian and threw her whining, weak sister into a cringe-worthy sub-plot, while making an Admiral and a war hero spend the entirety of a protracted military engagement in a fabulous gown before needlessly committing suicide *cough* autopilot *cough* droids *cough* remote piloting *cough* ... all while making a crack military pilot trusted with things like important missions to retrieve secret maps into a complete buffoon just because they couldn't think of any other way to make his female superiors look competent and skilled in their own right.

They made an absolute farce of representation, slithering cowards and liars that they are.

Very wealthy slithering cowards and liars, but just the same.

 

[ZE_501]

It really is at this point. But without the laughs.

I just keep picturing Palpatine whipping off costumes at the end of *every single story* and snarling "It was me all along!"



DYING.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Always two there are: a Kennedy and a Rian.

 

[Khev]

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

It is indeed true:

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies...rview-rise-skywalker-future-star-wars-912393/

If you want to see something hilarious, skip to the 5:30 mark of this link...

https://youtu.be/MbDHe-uzt1Q

 

[Wor-Gar]

 

[Khev]

If you want to see something hilarious, skip to the 5:30 mark of this link...

https://youtu.be/MbDHe-uzt1Q

Wow. Lucas literally called out the "treasure trove" of "comics, novels, and story treatments" that he was handing to KK and she had the gall to not only throw it all away but then turn around and say woe is me when it backfired on her. Yep she knows she blew it and I think she fears the heightened humiliation of blowing the finale in the same year that Endgame nailed theirs so she's throwing some shade on Feige by implying that her road was more difficult than his because they weren't adapting an established story.

Too bad the internet doesn't forget that you *had* established stories and pissed them all away KK.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Wow. Lucas literally called out the "treasure trove" of "comics, novels, and story treatments" that he was handing to KK and she had the gall to not only throw it all away but then turn around and say woe is me when it backfired on her. Yep she knows she blew it and I think she fears the heightened humiliation of blowing the finale in the same year that Endgame nailed theirs so she's throwing some shade on Feige by implying that her road was more difficult than his because they weren't adapting an established story.

Too bad the internet doesn't forget that you *had* established stories and pissed them all away KK.

She is not only completely unfit to run the Star Wars franchise but she is a liar too!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Finn is such a **** character.

 

[jye4ever]

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[Khev]