Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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We never even got a hint of what those terrible things were, and never will. Or forget actually seeing them - even how they impacted him. The stormtrooper set-up was simply that - a set-up that was totally thrown away. No PTSD, let alone the training coming back to haunt him in some way, any way - messing with his loyalty, his function, his ability to open up to people etc etc.
Just so incredibly lame. From stormtrooper to guy leaking water for laughs.
Rose instantly fell in love because she was a Finn mega-fan/worshipper. Many people today can relate to that, and can imagine themselves instantly falling in love with the object of their fandom.
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So Finn worked at Starkiller Base and mopped the room with the hyperspace tracker but he never talks about either until each has crippled the Resistance.
He probably did Palpatine?s laundry.
He probably did Palpatine?s laundry.
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?The idea was to continue the story and to begin with this young woman who felt like Luke Skywalker was a myth,? Abrams sad. ?And to tell a story that was not just history repeating itself, but a story that embraced the movies that we know as the actual history of this galaxy. So that they are still living in a place where there is good versus evil, they?re still living in the shadow of what has come before, still grappling with the sins of the father and the people who have preceded them. This was not about a nostalgia play. It felt, to me, like a way of saying, ?Let?s go back to a Star Wars that we know, so we can tell another story.'
That's a whole lotta nothing he just said. Smarmy hack weasel words.
Oooh Trevorrow throws Kennedy under the bus by telling Empire magazine that Palpatine was a last minute addition to the ST by Abrams, lol.
OK, I'll burn on this hill- I liked Rey and Finn's TFA intro to each other a lot. It was fun, good chemistry, and great to have 2 have-nothings run into each other. One didn't even have a name, one scrabbling by getting cheated by some grungy slob (+ there was that nice shot of Rey with the old sunburnt women, probably thinking that was her fate). Didn't see it as pathetic.
IMO their dynamic had so much potential. Not romance exactly - tho could've been - but at least there was this brother/sister vibe early on. I thought Boyega had a great moment too when he said "you don't know anything about me. Where I've been...what I've seen". I really bought that Finn had seen some terrible, terrible things. I REALLY liked the idea of a lowly Stormtrooper - characters that never get any attention - wanting out. So cool! So original!
I could believe in these two 'coz they both are have-nothings. Disposable beings probably worth less than a used speeder. I like they more or less stand together against Kylo.
IMO a lot of promise which all got derailed in TLJ for a pair with IMO no chemistry at all (Rose and Finn) and the ghastly bit of Rose apparently being in love with Finn - srsly she hardly knows the guy. IMO horrible jog with no lead-in to this great love or whatever the *&^% is supposed to be going on. WTF.
Finn could've been the light against Kylo's darkness - Kylo seems all over the place, which makes him interesting - but Finn just knows right from wrong. He's the one you could count on. He's the one who drew the line. Now IMO it's pretty muddled probably just to get, in the end, to making Rey super-special or some *&&^%. 'Coz she was just born that way.
It's not that I won't have a good time at ROS; it's just *great writing and original character development, it is not*. It's too late and too muddled with Poe and Rose and even dead characters getting screen time.
We never even got a hint of what those terrible things were, and never will. Or forget actually seeing them - even how they impacted him. The stormtrooper set-up was simply that - a set-up that was totally thrown away. No PTSD, let alone the training coming back to haunt him in some way, any way - messing with his loyalty, his function, his ability to open up to people etc etc.
Just so incredibly lame. From stormtrooper to guy leaking water for laughs.
Rose instantly fell in love because she was a Finn mega-fan/worshipper. Many people today can relate to that, and can imagine themselves instantly falling in love with the object of their fandom.
I never hated how JJ started the ST out at all. Loved TFA and completely understood why he mixed so much familiarity within the new story. It had massive potential for all those points you guys mentioned and then some. TLJ obliterated that potential and turned every character in the ST into a cheap Star Wars spoof and managed to transform the return of one of cinemas greatest and most beloved heroes into a slapstick sidekick. Even Hux had great potential as a First Order baddy and RJ managed to turn him into a bumbling idiot in the first few minutes.
I?ll be looking forward to ROS reviews from Sassafras and Talibane (if you?re going to see it) and others to see if JJ is able to return it to what he originally started it out as but I just can?t shake how TLJ made me feel so I don?t think it?ll matter much for me what he does in relation to how I view the ST right now.
Did anyone think any differently? This whole trilogy has been made by last-minute decisions and committee agendas.
If they started with a plan for the trilogy to begin with, TLJ never would have happened.
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^this. I keep saying they rushed into this thing despite having time to come up with a story. I think the only thing about the ST that?s new and innovative is kylo?s lightsaber. It?s the only thing in the whole damn series that?s like ? wow this is something new and impressive?
Everything else is absolutely forgettable and it?s sad. If those spoilers I read are true I can?t wait for the giant ****storm that will fall upon us in the next coming weeks.
Everything else is absolutely forgettable and it?s sad. If those spoilers I read are true I can?t wait for the giant ****storm that will fall upon us in the next coming weeks.
Compared to The Mandalorian which had no leaks, no test audiences, no previews for critics because they believed in the story and were only concerned about preserving the surprises (that they knew audiences would like.)
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If all the rumors are true and episode IX really is as bad as they say, Disney must have just stopped caring about any good Star Wars story and just fast tracked it to get all of Lucas’ stuff out of the way.
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I think there is a reason why Disney decided to announce that all Star Wars movies were going to be put on indefinite hold before Rise of Skywalker even came out... I think they see the handwriting on the wall and need to regroup and come up with a new strategy for their Star Wars franchise... IF Rise of Skywalker bombs I'm pretty sure Kennedy will be gone...
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I don’t think episode IX will bomb, but it definitely will not make as much as TFA.
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Nah the marketplace will steer the franchise into self correction.
Honestly once the forced agenda is removed or at the very least cut in half and balance is added to the story group which is probably happening right now even for IX you will see a more organic narrative.
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Unfortunate but still...at this point what was he supposed to do? Johnson killed, humiliated and defanged every villain set up in TFA. The FO have been defeated by the Rey-sistance at every turn. And they are down several horses!
Is "playing it safe" code for "good storytelling that honors the source material?" If so then yes I absolutely hope that LFL gets the message that fans want them to play it safe.
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I think it?s a bitter pill to swallow for some ? that the narrative spaces within some of our beloved stories are inherently confined spaces.
If you try to ?innovate? or ?subvert? too much you dilute the brand or ... exit the space.
Sure, some universes have more leeway than others, but when does Harry Potter stop being Harry Potter and become something else?
Marketers and fans alike have this endless appetite for more more more but some stories and the worlds they?re set in have boundaries.
Don?t subvert yourself right out of the sandbox.
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We never even got a hint of what those terrible things were, and never will. Or forget actually seeing them - even how they impacted him. The stormtrooper set-up was simply that - a set-up that was totally thrown away. No PTSD, let alone the training coming back to haunt him in some way, any way - messing with his loyalty, his function, his ability to open up to people etc etc.
Just so incredibly lame. From stormtrooper to guy leaking water for laughs.
Rose instantly fell in love because she was a Finn mega-fan/worshipper. Many people today can relate to that, and can imagine themselves instantly falling in love with the object of their fandom.
Well, see, I don't agree
. Keeping in mind I like visuals that strike me, and get a lot from that. Also re any movie there may or may not be a lot to cram in within 2 hours - which is why I like the new streaming shows like Good Omens and Mandalorian so much. (E.g., u can binge watch a *really long movie*. Or not. These shows to me are able to do what's essentially a loooooooong movie that hopefully is well edited for break points or chapters. )ANYWAY within the time frame of TFA I think a good job was set up for Finn - the visual of the bloody hand slipping away against white; he's breathing hard, the dark line of anonymous Stormtroopers, the ominous silhouette of Kylo, the flames, the obvious slaughter of entire village. And THEN Phasma *metaphorically* trashes him. Later he's even described as a number - almost like the First Order is talking about a robot that went haywire.
I hear yah about DETAILS but *family audience*
. Off the top of my head, Bucky in Civil War with the other Winter Soldiers is about as harsh as I remember for family audience movies, or the torture in WS. Rey's tortures don't get that dark, visually. The MCU/SW/Disney are pretty bloodless.Also I saw Finn as one of those more resilient people - a nobody janitor/stormtrooper/number, but just one of those people who can keep a good heart, (like even thru a &^%$ job and poverty etc). I don't d*mn Boyega for being able to pull off humor - IMO it's one of the hardest things to do for an actor. Laffed my *ss off
at that scene between Han and him "we'll use the Force!" I mean, not everyone has to be Chadwick Boseman (who can also do humor).Also I thought the scene where he gets honest with Rey and asks her to come with him was really well done. It's good IMO she instantly isn't fazed, as *realistically* she too knows what it's like to be a nobody; maybe to lie just to be SOMEONE, anyone, and not disposable nothing.
So, overall, for me TFA is "alright"
. Lot of re-hash and fan service, but acceptable. Some refreshing new characters and some great visuals.And then - well - some spectacular visuals. Some interesting ideas. And IMO strained writing and lots of stupidity
, including the unbelievably forced relationship with Rose. IMO BS where I, personally, can seen how life might have disillusioned Luke - especially since a lot of students died at Kylo's rampage *guilt* - but I don't believe he would've turned his back when Rey said she needed help. Especially when an untrained Force-powerful would be so much worse left untrained, and she flat-out says she's afraid. WTF. And Luke knows Kylo is already aware of her e.g. left wandering around of course she'd be a target. WTF.
Re Finn and Rose - well, yeah, OK, fangirl, except through their whole interaction, there's no sidelong looks from Rose that I remember at Finn. Ok, maybe when they are both gonna die, but that'd be pretty normal with prisoners who are even total strangers. Heck, even Finn looks kinda blank and baffled at the end over it. She's pretty business-like. Also IMO it gets patronizing, really, lecture, lecture, lecture. This is NOT establishing chemistry. WTF. (Long way away from the almost quasi-seduction re Kylo when Kylo meets Rey in TFA.) It's more like "Rose luvs Finn, cool, yah?"
And if u wanna support feminism, why did Rose have to be in luv with anyone at all?Never mind Poppins-Leia and the nonsense of not just telling THE PLAN.
Sorry for bein' long-winded - just I don't d*mn characters that I thought got good intros in TFA for the &^% writing that showed up in TLJ - 'coz thank gawd there was gonna be another movie. But yeah, TLJ should've been, like, the Two Towers or something; maybe one of the best of a trilogy. (Still can't believe with some stuff that an editor didn't call it out during TLJ filming). But, gonna be a bit optimistic that some of the backlash and complete logic breakdowns were heard for ROS.
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