Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Since its a galaxy and not just a single planet I buy misinformation or lack of information.

So much technology and they have no internet?

I think Blade Runner 2049 also lacked internet. It's as if most of the sci-fi written before the 90's, never accounted for "unlimited access" to information using computers, and they refuse to integrate that into their current stories. I'm not saying that we should see Rey Googling the "force," but you'd think they would have similar access to information given their technology. Now, knowing of the force and believing it to be true are two different things, like any religion.

 

[ZE_501]

So much technology and they have no internet?

I think Blade Runner 2049 also lacked internet. It's as if most of the sci-fi written before the 90's, never accounted for "unlimited access" to information using computers, and they refuse to integrate that into their current stories. I'm not saying that we should see Rey using Googling the "force," but you'd think they would have similar access to information given their technology.

Maybe they *had* an internet but it degraded rapidly, filling up with cranks, zealots, corporate shills, misinformation and increasingly weird ****ogpraphy and virulently toxic comments sections until they abandoned it.

 

[a-dev]

Maybe they *had* an internet but it degraded rapidly, filling up with cranks, zealots, corporate shills, misinformation and increasingly weird ****ogpraphy and virulently toxic comments sections until they abandoned it.

The internet is extinct. Its fire is gone out of the universe

 

[jye4ever]

So much technology and they have no internet?

I think Blade Runner 2049 also lacked internet. It's as if most of the sci-fi written before the 90's, never accounted for "unlimited access" to information using computers, and they refuse to integrate that into their current stories. I'm not saying that we should see Rey Googling the "force," but you'd think they would have similar access to information given their technology. Now, knowing of the force and believing it to be true are two different things, like any religion.

Never mistake SW for science and for technology to provide answers or make things make sense that?s for that Star Trek crap yuck.

SW is about boys playing with cool toys.






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[ZE_501]

So much technology and they have no internet?

I think Blade Runner 2049 also lacked internet. It's as if most of the sci-fi written before the 90's, never accounted for "unlimited access" to information using computers, and they refuse to integrate that into their current stories. I'm not saying that we should see Rey Googling the "force," but you'd think they would have similar access to information given their technology. Now, knowing of the force and believing it to be true are two different things, like any religion.

But seriously...

...this has been addressed in different ways before and after the fact. William Gibson, one of the fathers of Cyberpunk and renowned for being something of futurist pointed out that his early work simply missed the impact and ubiquity of mobile communications technology entirely, fatally dating it.

In Frank Herbert's Dune universe, A.I. was outlawed following the Butlerian Jihad. From Wikipedia:

"Jihad, Butlerian: (see also Great Revolt) ? the crusade against computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots begun in 201 B.G. and concluded in 108 B.G. Its chief commandment remains in the O.C. Bible as "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

One thing I like about the PT horror) is the extensive use of battle droids, which neatly explains the hostility towards droids in ANH -- something Lucas no doubt borrowed from 1965's Dune along with desert planets and possibly stormtroopers (from Herbert's Sardaukar).

I think in some EU Star Wars there are references to a 'Holonet' which I assume is their internet? But I'm not too familiar with EU.

Finally, I always assumed that the Empire's ascension followed a very destructive war and that together with their totalitarian information control would have truncated or disabled free access to information.

 

[Khev]

Come on guys this was all "a long time ago" before the internet was invented, duh!

 

[a-dev]

One thing I like about the PT horror) is the extensive use of battle droids, which neatly explains the hostility towards droids in ANH

Don't think I ever thought of that. ''We don't serve their kind here''. Obviously he wouldn't be serving them drinks - he simply didn't want them in the bar at all.

 

[ZE_501]

Don't think I ever thought of that. ''We don't serve their kind here''. Obviously he wouldn't be serving them drinks - he simply didn't want them in the bar at all.

It's one thing to die at the hands of an enemy soldier, another entirely to be exterminated by a soulless, fearless, heartless, arguably mindless machine - identical to a swarm of thousands. They were built to serve, not kill. Or so the logic may go in-universe.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It's one thing to die at the hands of an enemy soldier, another entirely to be exterminated by a soulless, fearless, heartless, arguably mindless machine - ....

Like the cellphone and its current generation.

 

[jye4ever]

But seriously...

...this has been addressed in different ways before and after the fact. William Gibson, one of the fathers of Cyberpunk and renowned for being something of futurist pointed out that his early work simply missed the impact and ubiquity of mobile communications technology entirely, fatally dating it.

In Frank Herbert's Dune universe, A.I. was outlawed following the Butlerian Jihad. From Wikipedia:

"Jihad, Butlerian: (see also Great Revolt) ? the crusade against computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots begun in 201 B.G. and concluded in 108 B.G. Its chief commandment remains in the O.C. Bible as "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

One thing I like about the PT horror) is the extensive use of battle droids, which neatly explains the hostility towards droids in ANH -- something Lucas no doubt borrowed from 1965's Dune along with desert planets and possibly stormtroopers (from Herbert's Sardaukar).

I think in some EU Star Wars there are references to a 'Holonet' which I assume is their internet? But I'm not too familiar with EU.

Finally, I always assumed that the Empire's ascension followed a very destructive war and that together with their totalitarian information control would have truncated or disabled free access to information.

Love your droid hostility stuff.


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[Khev]

"The death toll is catastrophic, you must contact me."

It'll be nice if Mando's flashbacks continue to show more of what the PT only hinted at.

 

[Wor-Gar]

How do we know that was Mando's parents trying to hide him?

Maybe it was his Aunt Meru and Uncle Bowen.



I hope when someone opens those doors to free young Mando that its Saw Gerrera -- Come!

 

[ZE_501]

Come on guys this was all "a long time ago" before the internet was invented, duh!

LOL...buzzkill!

Like the cellphone and its current generation.

I forgot to add "selfies".

Love your droid hostility stuff.

...lately I feel Herbert's influence on Star Wars has been forgotten. The Jedi Mind Trick is very much the Bene Gesserit "Voice".

"The death toll is catastrophic, you must contact me."

It'll be nice if Mando's flashbacks continue to show more of what the PT only hinted at.

Yup. That Super Battle Droid looked scary.

 

[The Buffinator]

How do we know that was Mando's parents trying to hide him?

Maybe it was his Aunt Meru and Uncle Bowen.



I hope when someone opens those doors to free young Mando that its Saw Gerrera -- Come!

And all this time I thought his name was Saul!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Better call Saw.

 

[ironwez20]

What if there is some crazy *** war happening right now in a far off galaxy and we are caught in the middle and don?t know it.

 

[jye4ever]

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[TaliBane]

One thing I like about the PT horror) is the extensive use of battle droids, which neatly explains the hostility towards droids in ANH -- something Lucas no doubt borrowed from 1965's Dune along with desert planets and possibly stormtroopers (from Herbert's Sardaukar).

Love your droid hostility stuff.


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But droids aren't really feared or hated in the OT - they seem more like a (poor) slave analogy, where some people are irritated when someone (like Luke in cantina) will treat them as equals to the living.

It's unclear though because you see robot bounty hunters like IG and 4-LOM, who don't seem to get any special attitude at all. Not sure where you get the idea of "hostility" toward droids in the sense of like the way Terminator would be if there was a future war then 30 years later terminators were crossing guards at schools and people were like "I don't trust Karl over there."

Add to that the way battle droids in the PT are sort of bumbling idiots. Yet much the way the PT and even stuff like RO relates to the OT in terms of droids really doesn't make sense anyway. You have these incredible technology super battle droids and droidekas, then 30 years later you have OT droids that are really simple/slow in the way they move, then you have K2SO that's supposed to be OT era where he's sprinting (like no other OT droid can.)

Then you have astromechs as state of the art in the PT - and still state of the art 30 years later in the OT, and still state of the art in the ST 30 years after that, with LESS tech additions as time goes by (no R2 rockets in the OT or ST.)

 

[FlyAndFight]

What if there is some crazy *** war happening right now in a far off galaxy and we are caught in the middle and don?t know it.

What if the Alien "Grays" sent a representative to Earth to ask for our help, but...

 

[ZE_501]

But droids aren't really feared or hated in the OT - they seem more like a (poor) slave analogy, where some people are irritated when someone (like Luke in cantina) will treat them as equals to the living.

You could probably read it either way. Threepio and R2 clearly aren't battle droids, but automatons may still carry a stigma post Clone Wars.

It's unclear though because you see robot bounty hunters like IG and 4-LOM, who don't seem to get any special attitude at all.

In the films they were basically background props, so there's that.

Add to that the way battle droids in the PT are sort of bumbling idiots.

As portrayed in the made-for-kids PT (except for the Anakin burning alive limbless part) -- but in-universe they were meant to be mass-produced killing machines, which we may see more of in Mandalorian flashbacks.

Yet much the way the PT and even stuff like RO relates to the OT in terms of droids really doesn't make sense anyway. [...]

Well yeah, that's a product of film and special FX technology as well as the brand's inconsistent writing. Which is likely why you and I disagree, we're both reading into things; I just think my personal canonical blanks as I've filled them in don't mesh with yours. Admittedly, some of yours are more observation-based but we simply have differing opinions on how the greater galactic situation looked from afar.